Deployment Team/MeetingLog/2008-11-26


 *   Hello.
 *   hi!
 *   We start the deployment meeting in 20 minutes?
 *  walter, hey!
 *   i'm free, sure - we thought it was 40 min ago
 *   walter: yes np
 *   Oh my. Because of US daylight savings time ending, I am calculating UTC wrong.
 *   My sincere apologies.
 *   walter: no problem, lets have the meeting in 20 min
 *   I need to update the Google calendar as well, which is set to 10am EST
 *   OK, Let us get started then.
 *   To me there is a very exciting prospect in the idea of local Sugar Labs.
 *   Everywhere I have traveled lately, there is interest in building a local group.
 *   David and I have been putting together a set of broad goals in the wiki.
 *   oh, meeting now then?
 *   ok
 *   http://sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
 *   http://sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
 *   @dirakx: you type too fast
 *   walter: haha not at all.
 *   I have a group in India that is willing help develop a business plan
 *   walter: have all the legal issues being resolved ?
 *   No. But I think they are minimum.
 *   i mean for starters, i guess there is no problem in printing presentation cards ?


 * jt4sugar (i=46086f50@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-65173e0ccb2d6f82) has joined #sugar-meeting
 *   No problem with that.
 *   ok ;)
 *   What I would like to do is build a collective understanding and framework for how this would work.
 *   it's stupid but that kind of things seems to be important to people.
 *   yep icarito and i are concerned about making a model for a local sugar labs also.
 *   we have some ideas about communities of practice for example..
 *   My hope is both autonomy and collaboration
 *   distribution also ;)
 *   I hope that there is an entrepreneurial spirit that emerges
 *   This should be self-sustaining for each local lab
 *   yes, as dirakx said, we've been working on a model for a local community
 *   walter: for example we are trying that in here..but it was too difficult because our status of volunteers.
 *  hmm, regarding autonomy. There are a lot of developers interested in OLPC here in Nepal but they are all web developers
 *  we need to make it easier for web developers to create activities
 *  they only have a few hours a week between their jobs, kids, and parents
 *   Each region should have its own passion... perhaps in Nepal Bryan has identified a local goal or mission
 *  marcopg wrote about making it easier to create activities using web technologies a few weeks ago
 *   But I hope that the local Sugar Lab can be their job.. at least for some
 *   that's the idea..
 *   Can we help them start a service business, for example?
 *   we have a model for providing services and some dev around sugar deployments as a non profit
 *  walter, I think we can, esp. if we make it easy to create activities
 *   and i'm talking with a province here to help them migrate 200 regular computer labs to sugar
 *   That is why I think it is important to establish some strawman business plans for the local groups
 *   but as SL can we charge for services?
 *  walter, we get requests all the time build activities for specific niches
 *   I think that a local SL can be non-profit or for-profit--their choice--but in either case, there should not be an issue with charging for services.


 * Gregorio (i=12553121@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05677d0cbbb97caa) has joined #sugar-meeting
 *   walter: perhaps a couple of models could be proposed
 *   Free speech, not free beer.
 *   Yes.
 *   there certainly is a market for consulting, integration, training and even development
 *   the models should meet the local needs and conditions.
 *   But we need to seed the process.
 *  I think a model could be that a local SL could charge for consulting, integration, training, etc. but they release their work under an appropriate open-source license
 *   +1
 *   yes..i think in Colombia's case there is no problem to do a foundation that can charge for services.
 *   We should all agree to what the basic rules are and I think Bryan identified a key one.
 *   each local sugarlabs should adapt and "appropiate" the model to the local reality
 *   yes.
 *   So the question is how can the collective SL help get this started
 *   but how could be the relationship between for example SL Colombia or Peru and SL USA ?
 *   walter: yes BryanWB identified a core principle - we shuold make those prominent
 *   We all share the same code, the same ethics, the same goal
 *   mm ok.
 *   i very much liked greg's comment that in large decentralized organizations "values are the organization"
 *   But the means to that goal will vary from place to place
 *  i think standardizing on a license for code and one for content would be a good start
 *  to make sure they are compatible b/w regional SL's
 *   Yes. What else should we standardize on?
 *   the kind of services that can be given ?
 *  that's hard, different places need different services
 *   hmm ok.
 *   Anything necessary to help a deployment: localization, networks, activity develpment
 *   workshops
 *  we do some electrical work, for example. connecting schools to power grid
 *   manuals/materials
 *   training trainers...
 *   and broadening the scope of the FOSS community as an economic force in the region
 *   that sounds cool.
 *   So let us make a list on the wiki and also a list of principles
 *   ...local organizations may have broader goals, for instance, in supporting/compatible areas like connectivity and providing open content...?
 *   that makes me wonder where a regional sl starts and where it ends...
 *   and again, consider how the global community can help the leaves of the tree
 *   Does it really matter where the boundaries are?
 *   so i guess..we share same goals and licenses.
 *   icarito: that goals are implicit by the main goal.
 *  it only matters when different countries have sufficiently distinct educational priorities
 *  for example, Austria is really interested in doing novel kinds of education w/ the XO's
 *   Which is why we need a regional approach
 *  while poorer countries are struggling to meet basic literacy . ..
 *   But we share a common platform and hopefully a great discovery in Austria re literacy can help NEpal.
 *  definitely
 *   And vice versa


 * eben (n=eben@ip68-230-153-170.ri.ri.cox.net) has joined #sugar-meeting
 *   But we need to make sure that the local groups are sustainable...
 *   I want to create jobs.
 *   :)..that's really thinking in a distributed way.
 *   Which is why we need some help wth creating business models.
 * <Gregorio> my advice is to find one and do one well, then generalize from t here
 * <BryanWB> the key to creating jobs is to make it dead easy to create activities
 *   in fuentelibre's goals is exploring a replicable, escalable model
 * <Gregorio> too much overhead up front may make it slower to get started
 *   fuentelibre is finishing up its statutes
 *   I think Eben is here to start a design meeting on this channel...
 *   and will be formally constituted sometime next week we hope
 *   indeed. :)
 *   i'll share our mission and goals and model
 *   @Gregorio: +1
 *   We can postpone a little as necessary, of course.
 *   so here is the quiestion can we legally begin to make local sugar labs ?
 * <BryanWB> a fuller activity template w/ stubs for lesson plan, game play, and review would help a lot
 *   Maybe we can all add to the wiki and then meet again in a week?
 *   I just made a one-page slide on Sugar Labs, globally.
 * <BryanWB> sure
 *   sure
 *   oj
 *   ok
 *   http://sugarlabs.org/wiki/images/3/3a/Sugarlabs-onepager.odp
 *   maybe the goal for next week is a one page slide on Sugar Labs local?
 *   after we get lots of local sugarlabs, we'll need to start thinking about mobile sugarlabs ;)
 *   Shall we cede the channel to Eben?? and meet again next week (9am EST, 14 UTC)?
 *   fine ;)
 *   Again, my apologies for mixing up the times.
 * <BryanWB> np
 *   ok i'm clear - no problem
 *   OK. Thanks everyone.
 *   so next week same time.
 *   Yes.
 *   thx
 * <BryanWB> tks