Marketing Team/Events/FUDCon Brno 2008/Logs

Aug 28 18:02:27 	hey everyone! Aug 28 18:04:28 	hi ChristophD Aug 28 18:04:33 	waiting for tomeu and erikos Aug 28 18:04:40 	they disappeared it seem Aug 28 18:04:58 	okay Aug 28 18:06:42 <--	dirakx has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) Aug 28 18:07:38 -->	dirakx (n=rafael@190.156.119.177) has joined #sugar-meeting Aug 28 18:09:21 	back! Aug 28 18:09:39 	erikos: ? Aug 28 18:09:46 	who else is missing? Aug 28 18:09:48 	he must be having 10th breakfast Aug 28 18:09:54 	at least Aug 28 18:10:21 	greg is still missing, said he'd come Aug 28 18:13:02 	ok, I can wait Aug 28 18:13:13 	I can wait until dinner ;) Aug 28 18:13:49 -->	HoboPrimate (n=Eduardo_@a213-22-205-215.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #sugar-meeting Aug 28 18:14:00 	yup yup Aug 28 18:14:16 	sorry had to get a bit of fresh air Aug 28 18:14:43 	no worries Aug 28 18:15:02 	let's give greg 5 more minutes and then start, ok? Aug 28 18:15:51 	ok with me Aug 28 18:19:31 	okay, lets get started, shall we? Aug 28 18:19:44 	yup Aug 28 18:20:14 	ChristophD: what was the wiki page? Aug 28 18:20:20 	http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/Events/FUDCon_Brno_2008 Aug 28 18:20:32 	first of all, anything else we might want to add to the wiki? Aug 28 18:20:45 	I havent had time to go through all our mails but think we did get the main points Aug 28 18:21:10 <marcopg_>	so friday Aug 28 18:21:20 <marcopg_>	activity startup... Aug 28 18:21:42 <marcopg_>	tomeu: any idea how do we go about this? Aug 28 18:21:51 <marcopg_>	tomeu: you have rl stuff we can work on? Aug 28 18:22:03 	marcopg_: he has been opening tickets Aug 28 18:22:11 	should have the performance keyword Aug 28 18:22:28 <marcopg_>	tomeu: do you think that's something we can hack on at fudcon? Aug 28 18:22:37 <marcopg_>	just wondering if we can involve people in it etc Aug 28 18:22:38 	let me make a query Aug 28 18:22:49 <marcopg_>	we won't have many XO I guess? Aug 28 18:23:23 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, I guess each one of us will have one? Aug 28 18:23:26 *	erikos can bring 3 xo's Aug 28 18:23:33 <ChristophD>	erikos, great! Aug 28 18:23:37 	http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&keywords=~performance Aug 28 18:23:44 	I can bring 2 Aug 28 18:23:52 <marcopg_>	ChristophD: yeah wondering about the fudcon people Aug 28 18:24:12 	marcopg_: would be cool to find people which know about any of the involved areas better than us Aug 28 18:24:28 <marcopg_>	yeah Aug 28 18:24:31 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, I'm sure some fedora folks also have XOs Aug 28 18:24:44 <ChristophD>	question is how many Aug 28 18:25:09 <marcopg_>	2+2+3 Aug 28 18:25:19 <marcopg_>	those are 7 already Aug 28 18:25:31 	bernie must have some as well Aug 28 18:25:33 <marcopg_>	if there are another 7 between all Aug 28 18:25:34 <marcopg_>	we should be good Aug 28 18:26:06 <ChristophD>	plus as mentioned I hope to bring the classmate 2 running sugar Aug 28 18:26:25 <ChristophD>	and I'm going to set up fc9 on a 4GB sd card too Aug 28 18:26:31 	ChristophD: I guess we don't have any performance problems there? ;) Aug 28 18:26:36 <marcopg_>	hehe Aug 28 18:26:45 <ChristophD>	well said! Aug 28 18:26:47 <ChristophD>	:) Aug 28 18:27:22 	Sugar on Fedora will be important i guess Aug 28 18:27:28 <ChristophD>	erikos, yep Aug 28 18:27:39 	would be nice to have this the leading distribution after the weekend Aug 28 18:27:46 	i mean best integrated one Aug 28 18:27:48 <marcopg_>	discussions about fedora/sugar sounds good... Aug 28 18:27:57 <marcopg_>	I wonder if we can get any actual work done there Aug 28 18:28:03 <marcopg_>	i.e. start pusing packages etc Aug 28 18:28:19 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, I think it's mostly going to be talking to people Aug 28 18:28:47 <ChristophD>	we'll just have to play it like it 1783 and we're spanish missionaries in south america ;) Aug 28 18:29:06 <marcopg_>	hehehe Aug 28 18:29:47 <marcopg_>	first day looks good to me Aug 28 18:29:50 <marcopg_>	tomeu: erikos? Aug 28 18:29:59 	marcopg_, what? Aug 28 18:30:11 <marcopg_>	does it sound good?;) Aug 28 18:30:32 <marcopg_>	or what can we improve Aug 28 18:30:35 	sounds good, yeah Aug 28 18:30:39 <ChristophD>	good Aug 28 18:30:41 <ChristophD>	moving right along Aug 28 18:30:42 	Sugar on Fedora Aug 28 18:30:50 	that should be more in the focus i guess Aug 28 18:30:52 	perhaps we can add more details about the most interesting tickets and the requried knowledge for each of them Aug 28 18:30:59 <ChristophD>	saturday: who wants to prepare part #2 of the presentation? Aug 28 18:31:39 	I guess we should prepare between the three of us Aug 28 18:31:48 	marcopg_: I guess you already have some items, right? Aug 28 18:31:50 <ChristophD>	erikos, what do you suggest to do to get more focus on sugar on fc? Aug 28 18:32:28 	ChristophD, just add this to the hacking point as well maybe Aug 28 18:32:35 <marcopg_>	tomeu: for fedora/sugar? Aug 28 18:32:47 	ChristophD, at the moment it is in discussion 'only' Aug 28 18:32:55 	marcopg_: things in sugar of interest to general fedora Aug 28 18:33:10 <ChristophD>	erikos, ACK, will do Aug 28 18:33:21 	marcopg_: # [15~20 min] Technical part with a focus on "issues that make sense for the Fedora community" => volunteers welcome! Aug 28 18:33:29 <ChristophD>	what about Fedora/Sugar Live-CD & Live-USB? walter thinks its quite important Aug 28 18:33:51 <marcopg_>	ChristophD: for the talk? Aug 28 18:33:53 <--	dirakx has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 28 18:34:31 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, nope, for the discussions/hacking Aug 28 18:34:34 <marcopg_>	I'm not sure what to do the talk about Aug 28 18:35:02 <marcopg_>	ChristophD: yeah that's good, though the first step is getting good packages Aug 28 18:35:07 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, I think the talk might be a good chance to list some of the technical challenges. plus q/a should be good! Aug 28 18:35:31 <marcopg_>	technical challenges for sugar or stuff related to packaging only? Aug 28 18:35:36 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, okay, then let's "talk" about live-stuff but focus on sugar on fedora. is that what you're suggesting? Aug 28 18:35:42 	why sugar would be important for the fedora education group, as well Aug 28 18:35:50 <marcopg_>	ChristophD: make sense Aug 28 18:35:55 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, I'd say anything where the fedora folks can help us Aug 28 18:35:55 <marcopg_>	oh yeah Aug 28 18:36:06 <marcopg_>	we really need to talk with the education people if they are there Aug 28 18:36:11 <ChristophD>	tomeu, very good point! will put that on the wiki too Aug 28 18:36:13 	perhaps mentioning federico's talk about the journal Aug 28 18:36:49 <marcopg_>	I'm just not sure if the people there are mostly packagers Aug 28 18:37:04 <marcopg_>	in which case they won't care a lot about that stuff Aug 28 18:37:14 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, good question. anyone been at fudcon, what's the general audience like? Aug 28 18:37:21 <marcopg_>	I have not :/ Aug 28 18:37:34 <marcopg_>	I can look at the names Aug 28 18:37:38 <marcopg_>	know some of them prolly Aug 28 18:37:49 <ChristophD>	another important question for friday: "acitivity writing tutorial"? how's that going to work? Aug 28 18:38:01 	yeah, I have trouble imagining how are those kind of events Aug 28 18:38:22 <marcopg_>	mmm don't know many of them Aug 28 18:38:40 	perhaps greg can appear later and we can ask him Aug 28 18:38:59 <ChristophD>	okay, anyone logging this so we can send it to the others? Aug 28 18:39:17 <ChristophD>	btw, we should really write a mail to IAEP right after this meeting! Aug 28 18:39:17 <marcopg_>	about activity writing... Aug 28 18:39:33 <marcopg_>	we can probably explain how to write a simple activity? Aug 28 18:39:37 <marcopg_>	and we package it up for Fedora? Aug 28 18:39:46 <marcopg_>	we don't have good system packages on Fedora atm :( Aug 28 18:39:54 <marcopg_>	maybe we should try to get them in time Aug 28 18:40:09 	+1 Aug 28 18:40:24 	on the ambitious side, doing a gobby clone mixing Write and XOIrc? Aug 28 18:40:24 	i think getting the activity packaging going would be a big win Aug 28 18:40:54 <marcopg_>	heh tomeu is ambitious :( Aug 28 18:40:56 <marcopg_>	:) Aug 28 18:41:02 <marcopg_>	we can try to kick off the idea Aug 28 18:41:07 	put a toolbar, put abiwidget and urk inside a vbox, and voila! Aug 28 18:41:09 <marcopg_>	and see if there is interest/skills Aug 28 18:41:25 <marcopg_>	ok Aug 28 18:41:26 <marcopg_>	so Aug 28 18:41:30 <marcopg_>	we need to get package working Aug 28 18:41:33 <marcopg_>	at least the system ones Aug 28 18:41:42 <marcopg_>	or it will be *hard* to do any hacking Aug 28 18:41:45 <ChristophD>	tomeu doesn't like sleep and beer apparently (the two things that will keep us from all night hacking!) Aug 28 18:41:58 <marcopg_>	I guess I and erikos can work on that Aug 28 18:42:02 	marcopg_, yes Aug 28 18:42:18 	oh, that should be a very simple example Aug 28 18:42:22 	marcopg_, a nice friday task Aug 28 18:42:29 	half an hour hacks Aug 28 18:42:32 	:P Aug 28 18:42:46 <marcopg_>	erikos: probably we should try to have them before the meeting Aug 28 18:42:55 <marcopg_>	erikos: because it takes time to push packages etc Aug 28 18:42:56 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, +1 Aug 28 18:43:02 	marcopg_, with friday i meant tomorrow ;p Aug 28 18:43:06 <marcopg_>	oh heh Aug 28 18:43:13 <marcopg_>	ok Aug 28 18:43:18 <marcopg_>	so the technical talk Aug 28 18:43:29 <marcopg_>	we need a plan for that one :) Aug 28 18:44:07 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, I think a rough list of the 8 most important tasks at hand is enough. talk 2min about each of them. and then have a q&a. thats my idea at least Aug 28 18:44:42 <marcopg_>	ok sounds like a good plan Aug 28 18:44:45 <marcopg_>	can you add to the wiki? Aug 28 18:45:00 <marcopg_>	we can work on writing those down in the next couple of days Aug 28 18:45:05 	it's a shame sugar doesn't appear in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education Aug 28 18:45:14 <ChristophD>	tomeu, let's change that! Aug 28 18:45:15 <marcopg_>	tomeu: yeah we should get that fixed :) Aug 28 18:45:17 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, will do Aug 28 18:45:24 <marcopg_>	we should also let them know.. Aug 28 18:45:28 <marcopg_>	that Fedora and now Suse Aug 28 18:45:31 <marcopg_>	has good packages :) Aug 28 18:45:37 <marcopg_>	heh Aug 28 18:45:38 <marcopg_>	I mean Aug 28 18:45:39 <marcopg_>	Ubuntu Aug 28 18:45:42 <marcopg_>	not Fedora obviously Aug 28 18:45:50 	yeah! Aug 28 18:45:51 	50min session for presenting OLPC and Sugar Labs Aug 28 18:45:57 	what is about this one Aug 28 18:46:02 	do we have content for that? Aug 28 18:46:26 <marcopg_>	that's the one I was talking about Aug 28 18:46:38 	how OLPC is using Fedora Aug 28 18:46:45 	how Fedora could profit from Sugar Aug 28 18:47:08 <ChristophD>	erikos, yep, the current discussion is about part #2 Aug 28 18:47:18 	sorry..;p Aug 28 18:47:25 <ChristophD>	I will come up with something for part #1 Aug 28 18:47:33 <ChristophD>	general overview of current state of things Aug 28 18:47:35 <ChristophD>	basically Aug 28 18:47:41 <ChristophD>	but I'm open to other ideas Aug 28 18:47:48 *	erikos totally misread Aug 28 18:48:00 <ChristophD>	and we can also discuss the details on friday evening Aug 28 18:48:18 <ChristophD>	let's also see how the sugarlab board vote turns out, thats def. something worth mentioning Aug 28 18:48:28 <marcopg_>	oh yeah Aug 28 18:48:34 <marcopg_>	when is that over? Aug 28 18:49:33 <ChristophD>	end of month I assume? Aug 28 18:49:37 	yup Aug 28 18:50:20 <marcopg_>	ok we should mention it Aug 28 18:50:24 <marcopg_>	anyway Aug 28 18:50:26 <marcopg_>	we seem in good shape Aug 28 18:50:29 <ChristophD>	yes Aug 28 18:50:32 <marcopg_>	TODO? Aug 28 18:50:36 <marcopg_>	we should announce it clearly Aug 28 18:50:42 <marcopg_>	with logs of the meeting perhaps? ;) Aug 28 18:51:01 <ChristophD>	announcing clearly at FUDCon or in general you mean? Aug 28 18:51:17 <marcopg_>	no I mean Aug 28 18:51:21 <marcopg_>	announcing this fudcon thing Aug 28 18:51:24 <marcopg_>	on iaep/sugar Aug 28 18:51:37 <ChristophD>	marcopg_, yes, definitely Aug 28 18:51:45 <ChristophD>	we should include the log, wiki page Aug 28 18:52:05 <ChristophD>	can anyone take care of that tonight? Aug 28 18:52:39 <ChristophD>	okay, apart from the presentations which we seem to have nailed down, we shall use saturday for hacking I'd say Aug 28 18:52:53 	ok Aug 28 18:53:00 	I can do the minutes thing Aug 28 18:53:01 <marcopg_>	I can try to write a quick mail Aug 28 18:53:04 <marcopg_>	ChristophD: yeah Aug 28 18:53:08 <ChristophD>	perfect, thanks Aug 28 18:53:25 	greg is coming Aug 28 18:53:26 <ChristophD>	by the way, who can I write down in the wiki as being responsible for part #2 of the talk? Aug 28 18:53:36 -->	gregdek (n=gdk@nat/redhat/x-06c27374dde74f6f) has joined #sugar-meeting Aug 28 18:53:37 	marco, of course Aug 28 18:53:41 <marcopg_>	heh Aug 28 18:53:43 	Sorry, gentlemen. I am a chimp. Aug 28 18:53:43 	he's our speech deliverer Aug 28 18:53:44 <ChristophD>	hey greg! Aug 28 18:53:51 <ChristophD>	okay, marco it is Aug 28 18:53:58 	nice ;) Aug 28 18:54:07 	hey gregdek Aug 28 18:54:13 	gregdek: so we were closing the meeting Aug 28 18:54:18 	Heh. Aug 28 18:54:21 	Great timing. :) Aug 28 18:54:23 	Sigh. Aug 28 18:54:27 <ChristophD>	hehe Aug 28 18:54:28 	gregdek: we have some doubts about the format of the conf Aug 28 18:54:36 	gregdek: as any of us have been yet on a fudcon Aug 28 18:54:40 	The barcamp on Saturday? Aug 28 18:54:41 	s/any/none Aug 28 18:54:45 	So it's pretty simple. Aug 28 18:54:59 	and the audience we are going to find Aug 28 18:55:08 	Basically, everyone gets in a big lineup in the beginning of the day. Aug 28 18:55:10 <ChristophD>	audience is what we're most interested in! Aug 28 18:55:21 	And everyone has 30 seconds to pitch their session. Aug 28 18:55:43 	After each person pitches a session, they tape it up to a big grid. Aug 28 18:55:52 	On one axis: rooms. On the other: timeslots. Aug 28 18:56:09 	And then the audience votes by putting check marks on the sessions they'd like to see. Aug 28 18:56:25 	Then people move the popular sessions to the biggest rooms. Aug 28 18:56:28 -->	dirakx (n=rafael@190.156.119.177) has joined #sugar-meeting Aug 28 18:56:32 	And then people give their presentations. Aug 28 18:56:45 	If past experience is any guide, you guys will likely be one of the most popular. Aug 28 18:56:48 	oh, very different from what I thought Aug 28 18:56:53 <ChristophD>	okay, I'd suggest in case people dont vote for us we head to the nearest brewery and give the talk with the hard core fans there! Aug 28 18:57:05 	Alcohol is always an option. ;) Aug 28 18:57:06 	haha Aug 28 18:57:14 	need to ask for good places in brno Aug 28 18:57:24 	their local brand is pretty good Aug 28 18:57:24 	I'm sure our hosts will be very forthcoming. Aug 28 18:57:29 <ChristophD>	yep Aug 28 18:58:03 <ChristophD>	okay, so do we all have a basic understanding of what we have to do in the next 7 days? anything else we need to discuss Aug 28 18:58:03 	so we have many good ideas, we should make sure they are in the wiki Aug 28 18:58:13 *	ChristophD is hungry ;) Aug 28 18:58:29 	ok looks good to me Aug 28 18:58:30 <ChristophD>	tomeu, I tried to copy the most important points from the discussion into the wiki, please review! Aug 28 18:58:36 	marcopg_, and i do packaging work Aug 28 18:58:44 	marcopg_: when you announce the fudcon, you could put something about people not coming being able to help Aug 28 18:58:52 	marcopg_: for example for the activity tutorial Aug 28 18:58:58 <marcopg_>	tomeu: what do you mean? Aug 28 18:59:01 	tomeu, +1 Aug 28 18:59:06 	there are lots of things that can be reused across confs Aug 28 18:59:14 	marcopg_, helping putting it together Aug 28 18:59:28 	marcopg_, or providing their notes Aug 28 18:59:39 	marcopg_, i am sure walter has a lot of slights etc Aug 28 18:59:54 	marcopg_: there is some preparation work that can be done by people that aren't going to attend this conference Aug 28 19:00:04 	marcopg_: and some of that work can also be used in other future conferences Aug 28 19:00:12 <marcopg_>	tomeu: I won't be able to write new stuff tonight :( Aug 28 19:00:25 <marcopg_>	I was thinking to just write a quick mail referincing the wiki page Aug 28 19:00:29 <marcopg_>	want to do it? Aug 28 19:00:34 *	marcopg_ swamped :/ Aug 28 19:00:48 	marcopg_: ok will do it Aug 28 19:00:55 <marcopg_>	awesome, thanks Aug 28 19:00:55 	will be a very short email, though Aug 28 19:01:21 	gregdek: what about the fedora education sig? are they well aware of sugar? Aug 28 19:02:02 	The Fedora Education SIG is Sebastian Dziallas, mostly. :) Aug 28 19:02:21 	And yes, he knows all about it. Aug 28 19:02:48 	oh, I see Aug 28 19:03:12 <ChristophD>	gregdek, will he be at fudcon? Aug 28 19:04:52 	Unclear. Aug 28 19:04:54 	Let me ask. Aug 28 19:04:57 <ChristophD>	thx Aug 28 19:04:59 	would be cool Aug 28 19:05:12 <marcopg_>	gregdek: he is also leading Fedora on XO= Aug 28 19:05:13 <marcopg_>	? Aug 28 19:05:20 <ChristophD>	okay, unfortunately I have to go now, I'll follow up with the log later and we'll be in touch anyway... bye Aug 28 19:05:32 <marcopg_>	ChristophD: thanks! Aug 28 19:05:34 <marcopg_>	see you