Oversight Board/2009/Meeting Log-2009-11-13

Oversight Board Meeting Log 2009-11-13

 *   FWIW, I may be a few minutes late to the SLOBs meeting. The conference is scheduled to end at 4, but it is running late. (I am the last talk.)
 *   But please get started without me.

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 *   I will definitely by about 15 - 20 minutes late.

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 *   morning.
 *   hi all
 *  hi Sean here
 *   SeanDaly: is walterbender speaking now?
 *  I am in SFScon auditorium, Walter is up next


 * tomeu	is hidden in a hole coding
 *  Federico is onstage now re Zeitgeist
 *   looks like I am not up next... so I can start meeting and just break when I have to get on stage


 * SeanDaly	a bit nervous about getting my plane
 *   SeanDaly: the airport is 10 minutes away
 *   shall we have a quick meeting?
 *  walterbender: my brain says no problem, my heart says 900 roros if I miss it
 *   OK. with me.
 *   bernie: ping
 *   someone able to poke Adam?
 *   mel cannot join us. nor Adam
 *   cjb: adam is traveling now
 *   oh, ok
 *   fortunately, they can vote by email later
 *   ok, should I go through the agenda items?
 *   sure
 *   #start-meeting
 *  yes pls
 *   #topic cjb report on email list
 *   walterbender: no hyphen
 *   #startmeeting
 *   Meeting started at 10:05 UTC. The chair is walterbender.
 *   Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
 *   #topic email list
 *   ok, here's what I was able to come up with, don't know if anyone will like it :)
 *   a) new list: slobs-members@. goes only to slobs.


 * bernie	waves
 *   ciao bernardo


 * SeanDaly	hi bernie
 *   cjb: is there a b) ?
 *   yes, moment
 *   cjb: I have a counter-proposal: creating a teams@ list for all team leaders and slobs, and unsubscribing non-slobs from slobs@
 *   bernie: wait for me to finish, though.


 * walterbender	is waiting for part b
 *   b) slobs@ becomes the proper list for SLOBS business.
 *   .. SLOBS business includes questions from the community about policy ..
 *   cjb: for adding agenda items...
 *   yeah!
 *   an open list, presumably
 *   seems orthogonal to Bernie's suggestion
 *  I thought we had said an agenda proposal went thru a SLOB?
 *   yes. and, I think most of the mail currently on slobs@ can stay on that open list


 * tomeu	doesn't understand what team leaders have to do in all this
 *   not everyone will want to subscribe to it
 *   most of it will be organizational minutia, after all


 * SeanDaly	also would hesitate to add team leader layer...
 *   cjb: I guess the only question is whether we couldn't just use iaep for the same purpose
 *   walterbender: only for the reason I just gave
 *   tomeu, SeanDaly: currently, we have almost all team leaders subscribed to slobs@. and it helps for coordination.
 *   bernie: how it helps to coordinate anything?
 *   there may be people who want to read iaep@ and don't want to read boring financial details or policy questions
 *  bernie: ok but they are all on IAEP too, no?
 *   I am genrally in favor of fewer lists and more sunject-line tags
 *  maybe iaep with a subject slobs business?
 *   ^sun^sub
 *   [SLOBS]
 *   SeanDaly: teams@ would not be open. it would be the same of the current slobs@, in my mind.


 * SeanDaly	imagines Mel reacting to phrase "would not be open" ;-)
 *   bernie: what team business needs to be private? hypathetical, pelase>
 *   please?
 *   bernie: team coordinators are chosen by a criteria that is not too related to their suitability to be aware of confidential matters
 *   SeanDaly: we should probably ask the people on iaep whether they'd like that or not, if we go this route
 *   cjb: do you think we have sent too much administrative stuff already?
 *  cjb: I certainly agree governance minutiae boring for many, but then again, the day a complaint about e.g. finances comes in, financial discussions clear
 *   tomeu: to iaep? no

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 *   tomeu: but I'm talking about moving ~80% of SLOBs list traffic there
 *   and it seems like that would be too much
 *   don't think we have much traffic in slobs
 *  slobs fairly low-volume in my view
 *   I guess that's true
 *   also, while some admin stuff could be boring, the discussions that could ensure could be very interesting
 *   cjb: the original motivation for my request for a private list was to keep the slobs traffic lower
 *   and chances are people would forget to forward to iaep and keep the discussion there
 *   walterbender: could you elaborate?
 *   you mean, keep the slobs@ traffic lower?
 *   cjb: it is easy to ignore email with suitable [BORING SLOBS BUSINESS] subject tags :)
 *   cjb: less slobs traffic and less private list traffic both
 *   ok
 *   so, perhaps we have a MOTION
 *   Anyway, I think we are really trying to decide between a new list and using [TAGS] on iaep
 *   tags++
 *   MOTION: close the slobs@ list to just SLOBs, move current slobs@ traffic to iaep@ with a [SLOBS] subject line tag where at all possible
 *   cjb: second
 *   discussion?


 * tomeu	likes that motion as-is
 *   we'll have to explain this well. people will hear the "you can't be on slobs@ part" and think it's a negative for transparency.
 *   s/ part"/" part/
 *  discussion: we need to explain policy to bootees
 *   bootees?
 *   cjb: I'll try to explain it (and take the heat)
 *  bootee: somebody removed from list
 *   oh :)
 *   any more discussion?


 * SeanDaly	not from me
 *   I'm interested in what Mel and Adam think
 *   cjb: me too. we will get their votes.
 *   (by email withing 96 hours?)
 *   the problem with all voting now is that we'll pass it without them, and then they'll point out the giant flaw in our strategy :)
 *   (I hope my talk goes better than my typing)
 *   would people be opposed to having all of us postpone our vote until they've had a chance to join in the discussion?
 *   cjb: I am fine with it.
 *  or, could be amended
 *   excellent. okay, I'd like to do that.
 *   we can vote on it first thing next week...
 *   shall we move on for now, then, with that MOTION suitably transcribed?
 *   OK.
 *  ok
 *   #task write up the motion with the minutes
 *   next topic?
 *   #topic lists for teams
 *   bernie: can you explain a bit more?
 *   bernie: ping?
 *   friends, I am going to be called to the podium in a moment and Sean will need to take off.
 *   can I propose a #task?
 *   ok. maybe that's our short meeting. :)
 *   sure
 *   #task: bernie: write a note about your proposal

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 *   #task: carlo has a nice document re the next topic I can circulate (to IAEP with suitable [TAG] when I get back to Boston
 *   #task: I'll bug the DP for closure.
 *   end meeting?
 *   ok with me
 *  ok with me


 * tomeu	goes listen to the talk
 *   Sorry about the awkward timing...
 *   np
 *   the conference gods weren't cooperating :(


 * SeanDaly	knows how much "fun" it is to miss a plane
 *   thanks for coming everyone. Same time next week.
 *  :-)
 *   SeanDaly: I'll tell you a Seymour/Piaget story some time :)
 *   ok.
 *   #endmeeting
 *   Meeting finished at 10:29.
 *   Logs available at http://meeting.laptop.org/