Oversight Board/2008/Log-2008-10-17


 *   I submitted the DML application. I am not sure when we hear back on that one. It is relatively general in that I ask for support for development, infrastructure, and outreach.
 *   I also submitted a proposal to Google 10^100.
 *   It is a very terse proposal, mostly outlining our goals and the need to support community efforts.


 * marcopg (n=marco@94.160.139.226) has joined #sugar-meeting
 *   I have two different Knight foundation proposals in the works: (1) a focus on bringing Sugar into a community network as opposed to school network environment--to foster Sugar-like collaboration on community projects; and (2) Sugar for the elderly, with a focus on accessibility and collaboration.
 *   we fit quite well on g 10^100, I think
 *   These are due at the end of the month... I'll send drafts out soon.
 *   can we make two proposals? or we have to choose one?
 *   One of the reasons for going with google as email is to start escalating our relationship. email -> jabber server -> funding
 *   (Simon can't make today meeting btw)
 *   And I am working with Caroline Meeks on a grant to implement Sugar on a stick: USB deployments in schools. That proposal is due on Tuesday. Lots of work to do on that one, but it is coming together nicely. We visit a pilot school this afternoon.
 *   sugar-on-stick and ltsp are quite interesting
 *   We can do as many Knight grants as we want, but I am going to talk (chat) with someone from the foundation on Monday to ask what the best approach would be in terms of their needs and expectations.
 *   because are somewhat decoupled form the hw investment
 *   In terms of LTSP, there are several commercial companies exploring thin-client solutions of Sugar.
 *   dfarning: can you elaborate on that?
 *   ltsp is blocked pending a 'jabber server in a box'


 * dwmw2 is now known as dwmw2_gone
 *   The group in New Hampshire that David and I have been talking with. A group in the UK. And maybe it is time to talk to the ncomputer people, but it should be someone other than me who engages them, as I have a history with their CEO.
 *   dfarning: I see, and what has gmail got to do with that?
 *   tomeu, once we have a relationship start it is easer to increase, I would like them to star hosting a jabber network for us:)
 *   walter: I'm impressed by how they call media's attention
 *   dfarning: google? would be awesome
 *   I had some interest at Google in helping with the Jabber stuff from a while ago. I could try to dig up those contacts again.
 *   dfarning: do you think we could get the extensions we need?


 *   right, the extensions are going to be tricky I guess
 *   I think that it is worth my time to pursue
 *   dfarning: what about packaging the XS stuff inside the ltsp server itself?
 *   From the conversations I have been having, the issues go a bit deeper than just the XS stuff.
 *   walter: you mean technical issues with the ltsp deployments?
 *   I hope to see C. Scott in Lima to talk to him about some of these things, because they impact the Journal as well.
 *   Schools need to think about moving data into and out of the Sugar environment.
 *   none of the movers and shakers in the ltsp community are interested in looking until we have a good jabber server that works out of the box in fedora
 *   yeah
 *   And they are interested in capturing student data over the long term--portfolio assessment.
 *   we really need to get there
 *   walter: then scott is your man, yeah
 *   perhaps morgs can help with it
 *   I'm not really sure of the status there
 *   and of the future plans
 *   I suspect we will always need some extension
 *   we are killing morgs already ->''' he is the prime drive at ubuntu
 *   So we need to think about the relationship between Sugar journal data, XS backups, and import/export, not just to external storage, but in terms of legacy systems. This is more important than using the file system as per Scott's demo.
 *   We will learn a lot from the thin client guys--they have been wrestling with these issues.
 *   Bernie and I will see them on the 1st in New Hampshire.
 *   dfarning: I've been helping nubae get working on LTSP on intrepid...
 *   But this is slightly off topic.
 *   dfarning: then let's bug Robot101 about it :)
 *   walter: the XS already displays backups in the web server, isn't it already quite a bit in terms of interoperability in ltsp environments?
 *   nice! I would like to catch up on your progress
 *   yes, we are getting technical now
 *   we could discuss this stuff in the developer meetings?
 *   make sense
 *   we also do ad-hoc meetings when someone brings up an interesting subject like cerebro, a new journal, etc
 *   Let me report back after Nov 1 on the needs requirements. I think we are close, but slightly off target.
 *   cool, I see there some future
 *   tomue, agree ->''' action item. engage ltsp communtiy:)
 *   I think both RH and Ubuntu are interested in the ltsp educational market
 *   Back to finances, I am going to explore some collaborations when I am in Balzano next month.
 *   they could give some resources further down the road
 *   Also, I am still pursuing the USAID grant with Pakistan and had a fruitful conversation with a team from Gao yesterday about additional local Sugar Lab efforts.
 *   I am lookin into on ubuntu edeveloper hire
 *   There may be interest by some Indian computer manufacturers that we'll try to leverage as well.
 *   hire as in having ubuntu to devote a dev to sugar?
 *   wow, lots of opportunities ;)
 *   yes, several months away i think:(
 *   I haven't made as much progress on the industry-support front. The economy isn't helping--thank you Mr. Bush.
 *   yeah, bad timing :/
 *   heh yeah that sucks
 *   edubuntu is ubuntu's educational project with LTSP - but the core developer (ogra) has moved to the Ubuntu mobile team and edubuntu's pretty stalled at the moment
 *   we couldn't have choosed a worst time I guess ;)
 *   I still have a few potential quick infusions of cash I am pursing that could help with bringing people to events.
 *   No, we have a great time. Govt are going to being looking in to cuting costs!
 *   nice, we may need to start talking about how to get the most out of those events
 *   The good news is we have a very efficient organization in terms of cash flow :)
 *   dfarning: ;)
 *   heh
 *   We have no costs to cut :)
 *   hehe
 *   we just need to give them a reason to chose linux over windows ->''' sugar can be that (emotional) reason
 *   yeah, we need to get money soon, so we can waste it and then start cutting costs
 *   we just need to give them a reason to chose linux over windows ->''' sugar can be that (emotional) reason
 *   yeah, we need to get money soon, so we can waste it and then start cutting costs
 *   dfarning: yeah, I think politicians may appreciate sugar's educational focus
 *   So that is all I have to report re finances.
 *   dfarning: instead of going with a std linux desktop or with windows
 *   I have a brief SFC report: Karen still need one more signature--she didn't say who.
 *   walter: after that, will be already done?
 *   heh so we don't who to blame...
 *   s/will/we'll
 *   move entire school districts to linux ->''' used sugar where are appropriate
 *   don't know
 *   That concludes my agenda items (except to talk about deployment later).
 *   Karen said that we can start working on the real issues now. David, I suggest we schedule an IRC meeting to discuss the membership issues ASAP.
 *   (I'll be in Peru all of next week, so IRC is my main channel.)
 *   One other thing:
 *   I applied for us to be listed on the fsf.org site. Hasn't happened yet--not sure why.
 *   sounds good, that is a blocker. Companies are reluctant to become involved until governence is in place
 *   (And we should ask Karen to get us listed on SFC)
 *   is Walter officially our ED yet?
 *   dfarning: I guess all board members should vote?
 *   And one other little thing: I got my Sugar Labs moo cards. They are really fun. I suggest everyone make them.
 *   walter: do you have a link to the design?
 *   I can provide art work if you'd like.
 *   you haven't posted links to them!
 *   I'll do it today.
 *   do we have quorum?
 *   Christian's design is perfect for their form-factor.
 *   we miss _bernie, gregdek and cjb
 *   four out of seven, but I should probably recuse myself.
 *   But in any case, let's switch to David's agenda.
 *   we can probably do it in the ml
 *   yeah it's better to get everyone vote I tihnk
 *   +1
 *   Ok, I'll figure out how to vote via mail later today
 *   I think the outcome is obvious but just to make things right :)
 *   yup
 *   marcopg, exactly
 *   good habits are hard to develop, bad habits are hard to break!
 *   i guess member ship is done
 *   I would like to have a talk with greg about how we could do the best use out of FOSS conferences
 *   perhaps on next meeting
 *   or I could ask him on the ml...
 *   I think the event stuff he is doing is a good step, but it is a lot of overhead for posting in the wiki.
 *   BTW, I am going to LCA--I have a Sugar talk accepted. We should leverage that event.
 *   walter: you mean updating the wiki page is too much work?
 *   walter, greg is used to working at the rh fedora scale
 *   walter: what's the title of your talk?
 *   Maybe if there is a template... but there is lots of replication of effort--multiple pages to create, etc.
 *   yeah?
 *   for the brno fudcon, they had this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBrno2008
 *   is quite informal, but seemed to do the job
 *   my talk is just: "The Sugar learning platform" -- plenty of flexibility.
 *   We'll be hosting the Boston fudcon at MIT.
 *   do we have dates yet?
 *   I think 9-11 January
 *   I'll be giving a talk at linuxday in Milan
 *   the 25 or something
 *   oct?
 *   didn't add it to the wiki, though
 *   yeah
 *   Anything else re events? (A bunch of us are going to be a FOSS conference in Lima; plus the translation sprint)
 *   olpc planning meeting is not yet clearly planned
 *   but maybe we should let it be just that
 *   Yeah. As I said, I had a good meeting with Ed. I have been adding a few items to the wiki page they set up.
 *   I'm not sure a co-hosted meeting really helps, might be just confusing
 *   is there place on the wiki to post slides for talks
 *   I still would like to see a talk to Sugar labs
 *   There is a place in the laptop.org wiki.
 *   if I'm not coming perhaps walter should give it :)
 *   I see this as an OLPC meeting, not a Sugar Labs meeting.
 *   I agree
 *   I am not there until the end, since I will be in Europe.
 *   but a talk about Sugar Labs in an OLPC meeting make sense to me
 *   to improve communication/workflow with them
 *   aah
 *   I still don't understand C. Scott's comment about "us vs. them"
 *   walter: last week scott and michael shared some concerns about SL
 *   I asked him who us and them were, but he never responded.
 *   walter: from their words, clearly don't feel part of SL
 *   I'm not sure everyone understood what SL is about
 *   I discussed some of that with Ed and hope to discuss it further with Scott in Lima.
 *   I think they are seeing it more like a company
 *   walter: would be nice to discuss how the rest of the OLPC can feel empowered to make SL what they truly need
 *   I think Ed sees it right. And Chuck. And CJB.
 *   something external which they feel is giving more issues then benefits atm
 *   that's good
 *   walter: will be good that you see what we can do so that Scott feels like a full member of SL
 *   maybe cscott was just frustrated by me and tomeu saying bad things about olpc :)
 *   and he fighted back that way
 *   marcopg: oh, I actually expected he would agree with most of that
 *   We'll work it out...
 *   We just need to give it time. once we prove our worth things will work out
 *   walter: nice
 *   I'll grab him for a beer and some fried chicken and he can unleash his opinions.
 *   good fried chicken in Lima.
 *   good plan ;)
 *   Any suggestions re the translation sprint next week?
 *   maybe unmadindu have some :)
 *   link ?
 *   oh ok
 *   walter: there seems to not be yet critical mass behind the aymara efforts?
 *   only Spanish translations, or Aymara/Quecha ones as well ?
 *   We'll see who shows up in Lima
 *   they had already one translation jam
 *   made progresses, but looks like quechua/aymara is hard because of the new vocabulary that needs to be agreed upon
 *   This is more focused on the FLOSSmaunels.
 *   oh, see
 *   ah, ok
 *   so there's only the spanish translation effort, currently
 *   But we could expand it to Sugar too, if there is a critical mass.
 *   looks like we are missing just bugsquad and infrastructure from the agenda
 *   I don't think we have much to say about bugsquad
 *   w/o SImon and Bernie...
 *   depends on infrastructure
 *   and on sorting out things with olpc
 *   the french olpc team is planing a translation in a few weeks
 *   I think Bernie is working on setting up trac on sl.org
 *   I may see them on my way to Balzano (via Dusseldorf)
 *   dfarning: did we make progress with OSL? still planning to go down that way?
 *   And I need to ping AMD again!!


 * dwmw2_gone is now known as dwmw2
 *   I'll ask bernie to send a update to the list
 *   AMD is lazy ;)
 *   amd's network may drop icmp packets ;)
 *   They did send me a proto-laptop to explore.
 *   dfarning: oh, he is working with them?
 *   I think he is happy with our discussion so far
 *   let's hope they don't send a proto-server ;)
 *   yes, they are currently setting up a machine for us
 *   great.
 *   cool!
 *   I am all for handing this stuff off to them.
 *   re trac and relation with olpc
 *   I think we need our trac for at very least opening all the issue we are discovering with the other distro guys
 *   if we send them to the olpc trac
 *   we will just confuse everyone
 *   ols with help set up an maintain trac and get for us
 *   (I'm using wiki pages with Caroline for now, but that really sucks)
 *   dfarning: cool
 *   apparently trac has a steep learning curve from the admin side
 *   sorry, off-topic, but have you seen the last occurrence of sugar-influence on the FOSS world? http://linux.conf.au/programme/schedule/view_talk/29?day=thursday
 *   I'm trying to setup a little of release infrastructure
 *   the bit about "View source"
 *   do we already know where we will be able to give ssh out to developers?
 *   is that still the AMD server?
 *   I hadn't gotten that far yet
 *   tomeu: Hurrah for View Source!!
 *   tomeu: and the journal and...
 *   the ideas are proliferating if nothing else ;)
 *   dfarning: I guessed :)
 *   marcopg: yeah. I haven't been reporting my Ubuntu bugs...
 *   basically I need to figure out where to host releases, and setup automated scripts to make them etc
 *   that's important for distributions to be able to package our stuff
 *   and ssh access is the easiest way to do it
 *   probably better not to host dev account at osl though, They have asked us to self host our build farm, download farm, and other non standard suff
 *   dfarning: right
 *   and Ivan doesn't seem to be happy to give ssh on his box either
 *   that's why I was thinking to the AMD box
 *   OK. I'll push to get the AMD box...
 *   marcopg, best plan is to work things out with needs with bernie, while keeping me in the loop. then I can go out and find what you need.
 *   I guess with Bernie in Boston should be easy to set it up, once we get it
 *   dfarning: yup, will make sure to coordinate with him
 *   'things you need'
 *   I just pinged AMD again...
 *   Anything else for today?
 *   hmm
 *   I'm good
 *   I'll write up minutes.
 *   I'm good
 *   I'll write up minutes.


 * andresambrois is now known as aa
 *   I am good also
 *   (Do we need to formally approve the previous meeting's minutes each time?)
 *   don't think so, people can comment afterwards, complete, etc
 *   I post the entire transcript too, so I suppose my summaries can be verified.
 *   I will look into it
 *   OK.
 *   So I'll be in touch from Lima next week.
 *   chau
 *   goodbye
 *   and to Marco, ciao
 *   thanks, bye
 *   hehe
 *   ciao ;)