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This is a page to discuss the Sugar Creation Kit.
 
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====[[File:CD.png]][http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/intro_to_sugar2.iso introduction to the sugar interface (CD.iso)]====
 
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*Download-able 7.4M CD.iso file.
 
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:This is a set of Annotated screen shots as Web Page.html files with the accompanying folder containing the files for the .html
 
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:They were created with "save as" - "web page complete" using firefox. And subsequently edited in gedit.
 
  
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*Uses:
 
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:'''Intended to be run from a 2nd USB (or CD) where there is NO Internet Connection Available.'''
 
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:A useful set of wiki pages that teach the basic operations of the Sugar-desktop
 
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:"sneakernet" with no internet connection
 
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:behind firewall at school.
 
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:save bandwidth on servers.
 
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:Download once and distribute copies locally
 
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*Problem with Browse/Surf-115 in SoaS and the XO-1
 
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:These browsers will not open the accompanying folder containing the files for the .html.
 
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:This results in a web page with no links or .png screen-shots
 
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:Firefox-6.xo handles this correctly
 
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::Note:Firefox-6.xo does not use or have sugar-journal access.
 
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::This means XO-1 security should not be compromised.
 
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*Firefox-6.xo installed from this USB-stick has been successfully tested viewing the .html web pages on the USB-stick.
 
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: a G1G1 XO-1 running os508dx - (Dextrose2)
 
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: XO-1.5 running os874 - (sugar 0.92.1)
 
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: a ACER ASPIRE ONE N450 Netbook - (Trisquel-5-Sugar) Live CD - NO Internet Connection
 
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: a ACER ASPIRE ONE N450 Netbook - (f16-SoaS-Pineapple) Live CD - NO Internet Connection
 
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: a MacBookPro i7 booted into OSX and running firefox for OSX ; '''Firefox-6.xo NOT used.'''
 
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: VirualBox 4.1 for OSX with install of Sugar 0.95.1 in [[Community/Distributions/Mageia|Mageia]] release 2 (no other browser works on this Distro)
 
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*Installation
 
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:This .iso is intended to be burned to a CD
 
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:The CD can be used directly or copy/paste the contents of the CD  to a USB-Stick
 
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:Insert the USB stick in your XO-1 USB slot
 
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:[[Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Drag-Drop|Drag drop]] the Firefox-6.xo file from the 2nd USB-stick to the Journal - Install it
 
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:'''TIP: Use the search box (______)'''  on the left end of the sugar top bar to find "firefox"; This will find the Firefox-6.xo file more easily.
 
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*Contents:
 
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:ReadMeFirst.txt
 
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:Firefox-6-xo - web browser
 
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:Introduction_to_Sugar_Interface.html
 
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:Connecting_to_the_Internet.html
 
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:Drag-Drop.html
 
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:How_to_use_IRC.html
 
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:How_to_use_Chat.html
 
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:Terminal.html  -  A downloaded .html from Floss [http://en.flossmanuals.net/terminal/ Floss Manuals]
 
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*To Open Files in Firefox-6.xo
 
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:1-)click on the xxxx.html file on the second USB when shown in the frame.
 
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:select "start with firefox" on drop down menu
 
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:2-)File/Open File/(choose 2nd USB)/select xxxx.html; hit return
 
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*To Install files in Desktop
 
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:when the xxxx.html page opens, choose File/"save page as"/(SAVE)
 
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:This will (save/install) the xxxx.html and accompanying folder containing the files for the xxxx.html in the folder "Desktop"[1][2][3]
 
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:[1] (home/olpc/.sugar/default/org.laptop.firefoxActivity/data/Desktop) - for the XO-1
 
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:[2] (home/liveuser/.sugar/default/org.laptop.firefoxActivity/data/Desktop - for F16-Soas Live CD
 
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:[3] file:///home/liveuser/Desktop/ xxxx.html -  For '''f16 Liveusb-creator created USB-stick with persistence''' File/"save page as xxxx.html" choose Desktop  (SAVE)
 
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::Booted from USB-stick reading files from CD
 
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::'''Files are permanently saved to the Desktop. CD is not needed
 
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*To Set Firefox Default (HOME) Pages
 
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:Persistent sugar only:
 
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:Edit/Preferences/Use Current Pages (with xxxx.html loaded on tabs in browser.) Multiple tabs can be saved
 
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:'''These pages load automatically on Re-starting the firefox-6.xo activity'''
 
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*Screen-shots from XO-1
 
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:[http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/firefox-6.xo '''Firefox-6.xo'''] views the .html files, from the USB-stick, correctly. and stores their bookmarks.
 
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:[[File:XO1_How_to_use_Chat_-_Sugar_Labs_-_Mozilla_Firefox_.png|100px]]XO-1  Firefox-6.xo running Chat tutorial from 2nd USB-stick
 
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:[[File:XO_1_Firefox_Dir.png|100px]] XO-1 "File Open" screen in Firefox-6.xo showing 2nd USB-stick with .html files and folders
 
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:[[File:XO1_Home_.png|100px]]  XO-1 Shows resource Usage
 
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:Click on a screen-shot to enlarge them
 
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: hit browser <== arrow to return
 
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==F15 netinstall Memory Requirements==
 
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* Now talking on #fedora-bugzappers
 
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Fri Feb 25 10:24:26 2011
 
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abadger1999> Anyone here successfully used the netinstall.iso for rc1 alpha?
 
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<abadger1999> In particular: http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/15/Fedora/x86_64/iso/Fedora-15-x86_64-netinst.iso
 
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<abadger1999> i'm not able to do an install -- I get a kernel oops while booting.
 
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<abadger1999> This is in virt-manager -- x86_64 processor, kvm, x86_64
 
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* abadger1999 tries x86 arch
 
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<adamw> abadger1999: huh. i think it was tested.
 
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<red_alert> I know of people who were using TC1 and TC2 netinst...no idea about rc1
 
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<abadger1999> Still bad.
 
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<abadger1999> trying to unpack the rootfs
 
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<abadger1999> IIRC, I got this when I built my rawhide vm too... that's why  I ended up installing F14 and then upgrading.
 
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<red_alert> maybe another 32bit problem? ;)
 
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* abadger1999 goes to find the x86_64 netinstall.
 
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* abadger1999 checks if qemu works where kvm didn't
 
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<wwoods> abadger1999: how much RAM?
 
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<abadger1999> wwoods: 512MB
 
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<wwoods> not enough
 
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<wwoods> F15 will need at least 640MB
 
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<wwoods> maybe 768
 
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<abadger1999> wwoods: Okay.
 
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* abadger1999 makes a vm with more ram
 
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<abadger1999> wwoods: Is that something we can have the virt-manager guys change as a default?
 
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<wwoods> I have a fix for that in the works but it's kind of invasive and may not be ready 'til F16
 
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<wwoods> probably!
 
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<wwoods> ISTR they do per-OS defaults, so we could have them default to 640/768MB specifically for Fedora 15 guests
 
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<abadger1999> <nod>
 
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<abadger1999> Sounds good.
 
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* abadger1999 booting netinstall with more memory now
 
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<abadger1999> wwoods: thanks!  that was exactly the issue.
 
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<wwoods> yeah, we're going to be seeing a lot of that one
 
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<wwoods> tell your friends
 
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<adamw> you get all kinds of weirdness trying to run f15 in 512MB
 
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<adamw> it seems like it's nearly but not quite enough :)
 
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<adamw> should probably mention that in commonbugs too
 
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<fenrus02> adamw, 32b or 64b?
 
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<adamw> fenrus02: 64
 
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<fenrus02> adamw, limited testing, but i think it works if you do not use lvm
 
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<wwoods>initrd.img is ~350 MB Uncompressed
 
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* http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/15/Fedora/x86_64/iso/Fedora-15-x86_64-netinst.iso
 
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This may be related to the fact that anaconda no longer has a stage 2 (from nirik fedora-qa)02/26/2011
 
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==Meego + Sugar==
 
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*Download: https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-netbooks
 
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===Install===
 
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* Instructions:https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook
 
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:4GB USB
 
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# dd bs=4096 if=meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img of=/dev/sdg
 
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221184+0 records in
 
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221184+0 records out
 
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905969664 bytes (906 MB) copied, 180.408 s, 5.0 MB/s
 
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:Boot USB in ACER ASPIRE ONE N450
 
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CD selection in boot
 
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Install
 
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external USB HD
 
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sucess.
 
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shutdown-usb
 
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Reboot
 
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boot HD
 
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Works including wireless
 
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*Specifications: http://wetab.mobi/en/product/
 
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*Notes #sugar 06/23/2011
 
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* mschuessler (~mschuessl@dslb-094-222-006-174.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #sugar
 
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<mschuessler> i'm trying to use sugar on the wetab
 
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<mschuessler> wich is a handheld - would virtual box drain the battery pretty fast?
 
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<kevix> there are deb and rpm pacakges for sugar but dont know how it would install on 'meego'
 
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<mschuessler> which
 
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<mschuessler> i am actually quiete close
 
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<satellit_afk> no it will be slower. Otherwise I have no suggestions...
 
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<mschuessler> meego has a yum as package manager
 
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<kevix> if you do try it, add your results to the sugarlabs wiki, if you can :)
 
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<mschuessler> i already did
 
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<mschuessler> it compiled succesfuly
 
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<mschuessler> however - the project im working on aims at running suagr on top of meego
 
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<mschuessler> runing sugar on the weetab stanbdalone wont be a big problem
 
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<mschuessler> i would just install fedora and put the sugar-emulator on it
 
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<mschuessler> if you dont midn i would like to post the error message here when i try start the suagr-emulator on meego - maybe its just a missing depencie or something the like
 
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<mschuessler> it runs an 1.66 GHz Intel Atom N450
 
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<satellit_afk> yes I have a ACER ASPIRE ONE N450 here and it works great....
 
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<mschuessler> what operating system?
 
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<satellit_afk> runs fedora fine
 
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<mschuessler> yeah fedora would run on the wetab too
 
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<mschuessler> but as i said - the project im working on aims at running thesugar interface on top of meego - so you could easly switch betwenn the two
 
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<mschuessler> well and to the current state i managed to compile sugar and install all dpeencies i am aware of but i get the following error
 
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<mschuessler> i have the feeling im really close to get it running
 
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<mschuessler> The error is "no module named decorator" btw
 
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<alsroot> mschuessler: you need to install python-decorator package (or how it is named in your distro)
 
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<mschuessler> hey thx
 
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<mschuessler> funny thing is - i just did
 
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<satellit_afk> keep trying....people with knowledge are here at different times . also use mailing lists...sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
 
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<mschuessler> and it fixed the error - yay!
 
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<mschuessler> now i get a dbus exception
 
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<mschuessler> is that a familiar problem to you guys?
 
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<alsroot> mschuessler: could you pastebin it
 
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<kevix> mschuessler: could you say what kind of educational environment this is for?
 
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<mschuessler> a school
 
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<mschuessler> kids are aged 14 and up
 
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<kevix> interesting.
 
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<mschuessler> its an experiement - if kids would get along with a handheld in school
 
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<kevix> there is the scratch and etoys environment which might be good be computational thinking/programming
 
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<kevix> 'getting along' in an educational setting = ?
 
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<mschuessler> well my project manager defintly wants etoys
 
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<kevix> OLPC/Sugar is working on the XO-1.75, which is the precursor for the xo-3 (marvell ARM tablet). so they are working on how they will transition to a tablet paradigm
 
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<mschuessler> yup i know
 
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<mschuessler> put xo-3 is not here yet - an we get a couple of handheld devices for free
 
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<mschuessler> so why not use sugar on those
 
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<mschuessler> its a much better interface than the meego one (if use for education)
 
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<kevix> hopefuly you can publish your result for olpc/sugar to see
 
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<mschuessler> yup we will
 
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<mschuessler> we document everything we try and what has worked and what not
 
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<mschuessler> here is the current error btw: pastebin.com/DtyBD28m
 
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<satellit_afk> do you have a wiki ? with these results?
 
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<kevix> mschuessler: have you seen the videos from the recent edujam 2011 in Uraguy?
 
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<mschuessler> no i havent seen them
 
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<mschuessler> sry its http://pastebin.com/DTyBD28m
 
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<mschuessler> were about wld i find those (videos)
 
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<mschuessler> we do not currently run a wiki
 
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<mschuessler> is guess publishing our results in the sugarlabs wiki would be a better aproch anyway
 
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<satellit_afk> You may want to link it here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Community_Distributions
 
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<alsroot> mschuessler: Re: http://pastebin.com/DTyBD28m -- do you have sugar-datastore installed? does "datastore-service" command start well?
 
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<kevix> mschuessler: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/EduJAM/2011
 
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<mschuessler> no it doenst - apparantly cjson seems not to be installed proberly
 
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<mschuessler> i will fix this and tell you guys if i made a any process
 
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<mschuessler> i have forwarded your sugestion to publish our apraoch under Community Distributions in the suagr wiki to my project manager
 
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<mschuessler> it works! awesome!
 

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