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First to type on your user:talk page, what an honorWhen it all seems like too much, as I'm sure it must, I've left something [[User:Cjl/Random_musings| here]] that I hope you might find amusing.  [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 20:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
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<small>''This article is about the biblical GodFor the term as used to refer to any divine being, see [[Other Gods]]''</small>
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[[Image:Alphaomega.jpg|thumb|200px|God is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last, the beginning and the ending]]
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{{cquote|'''Genesis 1:1'''<br />In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.}}
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{{trinity}}'''God''' is the sovereign creator and eternal ruler of all things and beings that exist, whether in the physical [[universe]] or in the spiritual realm ([[Heaven]]).  Not only is God the creator and ruler of the things and beings within those two realms, but he is also the creator of the realms themselves. God created the physical universe, and before he acted in this creation, the universe did not exist. Likewise God did with the spiritual realm.
  
== Thought on translations ==
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== God is Revealed: How we know about God ==
  
Before you spend a lot of time on translations via the translations template, consider the potential of the ''GoogleTrans-xx'' templates I'm starting to develop/deploy on OLPC wiki. Note, it will require the same plugin/extension magic-dust currently installed on the OLPC wiki to be sprinkled here before they will work.
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Other than creation itself, God is revealed in several ways, including conscience and special revelation (the bible, and prophets). Most importantly though, God is revealed in [[Jesus Christ]], who is the Son of God.
  
*''GoogleTrans-en'' for starting from English page [http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki#Machine_Translations (example)]. Click on Spanish and continue browsing rest of wiki in espanol inside Google frame.
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== Attributes or Character of God ==
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The attributes of God are things that describe who he is. Similar to the way one might describe a close friend to another individual, so too do these attributes describe God's character and nature. Attributes of God include but are not limited to [[Wisdom]], [[Infinitude]], [[Sovereignty]], [[Holiness]], [[Trinity]], [[Omniscience]], [[Faithfulness]], [[Love]], [[Omnipotence]], [[Self-existence]], [[Self-sufficiency]], [[Justice]], [[Immutability]], [[Mercy]], [[Eternal]], [[Goodness]], [[Gracious]], and [[Omnipresence]]. These attributes all work in complete and perfect harmony with one another.
  
*''GoogleTrans-es'' for starting from Spanish page [http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Lambayeque (example)].  Click English and see that page and any linked lang-es page in English.
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God exercises eternal and righteous judgment of the wicked in [[hell]], because of an inherent problem in the human heart, namely [[Sin]]. According to the [[Bible]], the sacrifice of [[Jesus Christ]] on the cross of [[calvary]] and then [[resurrection]], is God's merciful and gracious response to the problem of the human heart.
  
* 20-odd other variations possible
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=== God is Triune ===
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{{main|Trinity}}
  
The idea is that you want to lower language barrier, but you don't want your most valuable trilingual (1 lang-en, 2 lang-xx, 3 wiki/Python/C/Linux/Sugar/etc.) assets spending a lot of time on keeping up with rapidly evolving edits.  By the time a page becomes stable, it's probably too late to get meaningful input from a mono or bi-lingual non-lang-en audience (like teachers, local coders, etc.).
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Although the Bible does not use the term, it is clear that God is a triune God, or three in one.
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These are sometimes referred to as ''God the Father'', ''God the Son'' ([[Jesus Christ|Jesus]]), and the ''[[Holy Spirit]]''.
  
For wiki pages, I think that any translation '''now''' is better than a great translation '''later'''. Allows you to lower language barrier immediately (in a usually good enough manner) and reserve human translation effort for Pootle and tech-phrasing sensitive pages. Try the provided links to OLPC wiki and let me know what you think.  [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 19:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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The first hint of the Trinity is in {{Bible ref|Genesis|1|26}} which relates God saying, "Let us make man in our image", indicating that God is a plurality.
  
:I was playing with it on the OLPC site earlier today. I agree, it is a decent compromise that is resource-efficient. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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The three persons of God are treated as equivalents in these words of Jesus shortly after His resurrection:
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{{Bible quote|Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.|book=Matthew|chap=28|verses=19|version=NIV}}
  
== Current events date convention ==
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==== Jesus is God ====
  
Walter,  I'm not sure I get the link-naming convention you are using on [[Sugar Labs/Current Events/Archive]].  The text there that says "2008-06-16" links to [[SugarLabs:Current_events/Archive/2006-06-24]].  Is one start of week and the other end of week?  You and I have reverted each other on this (maybe even twice), and that just seems like a silly misunderstanding to have. In the spirit of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD WP:BRD], I may just be missing the convention you are using and I'd like to I understand it.  [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 18:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
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The first verse of the [[Gospel of John]], in which Jesus is referred to as the "Word", makes clear that Jesus is synonymous with God:
:I need to move all the pages to the correct date. I accidentally started naming them based on the date I moved them into the archive instead of the date I created them. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
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{{Bible quote|In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.|book=John|chap=1|verses=1|version=NIV}}
::I was assuming the date of publication on IAEP was the operative date and I had crossed-checked against the archives there to do the last rename/relinking I did yesterday, which you reverted today. No point in operating at cross-purposes, so much to do to move forward without tripping over each other. [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 21:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
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This verse not only says that "the Word" (Jesus) is synonymous with God, but also says that the Word was "in the beginning", which means that He existed before all else existed, something that is only true of God.
:::I must be tired (I was up all night flying over the Atlantic and in meetings all day today--hence the late posting). I thought I was exposing the publication dates in IAEP even though the pages in the wiki. I defer to you. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 
::I'll take another pass at it, carefully checking against the IAEP archive pages again. I do much of my wiki editing from 22:00 - 03:00 local time, so I'm just as susceptible to error as the next guy :-)  [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 21:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 
  
== transactions discussion ==
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This is reinforced two verses later, in which Jesus is described as the creator.
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[[Genesis]] refers to God as being the Creator.
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{{Bible quote|Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.|book=John|chap=1|verses=3|version=NIV}}
  
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==== The Holy Spirit is God ====
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In the following passage, the [[Holy Spirit]] is referred to as God:
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{{Bible quote|Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."|book=Acts|chap=5|verses=3-4|version=NIV}}
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=== God is omniscient ===
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{{main|omniscience}}
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God knows everything:
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{{Bible quote|This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.|book=1_John|chap=3|verses=19-20|version=NIV}}
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Because God is outside of [[time]], He can see and knows the [[past]] and the [[future]] as well as the present.
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== "God" sometimes used to refer to God the Father ==
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[[Image:Velasco Padre Eterno.jpg|left|140px|God the Father]]
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In the bible, the word "God" (θεός) does not always refer to God's being as a whole, but more specifically refers to the Person of the Father (God the Father). Here are some verses which demonstrate this:
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{{cquote|'''John 3:16''' (NASB)<br />For <u>God</u> so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten <u>Son</u>, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.}}
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{{cquote|'''1 John 4:10''' (NASB)<br />In this is love, not that we loved <u>God</u>, but that He loved us and sent <u>His Son</u> to be the propitiation for our sins.}}
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Notice how in each case, "Father" can be substituted for "God." For example, "For the ''Father'' so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son," and "not that we loved the ''Father'', but that He loved us and sent His Son."
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== Terminology ==
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The Bible uses several different words to refer to God.
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"God" itself is not a name, but an [[Old English]] word meaning ''supreme being, diety'',<ref>[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god God] Online Etymology Dictionary.</ref> which the translators who translated the Bible in to English chose as the appropriate English word for the [[Hebrew]] ''elohim'' and the [[Greek]] ''theos'' used in the [[Old Testament]] and [[New Testament]] respectively.<ref name="DPK">Kruse, Dale P.,[http://www.layevangelism.com/advtxbk/sections/sect-10/sec10-9.htm More on the ''Names'' of God In the Bible], Advanced Training Program of Evangelism.</ref>
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The other main term for God is the Hebrew ''adonai'', usually translated ''Lord''.
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There are various compound words also used in the Bible, such as ''el shaddai'', which means ''God Almighty'' ("''el''" is a short version of ''elohim'').<ref name="DPK" />
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''YHWH'' is given in the Bible as God's actual name.  In most English Bibles it is translated as <span style="font-variant:small-caps">''Lord''</span>, in small capitals.  The name has various other English versions, including Yehovah, Jehovah, and Yahweh.<ref>McHyde, Tim, [http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/yahweh.htm God’s Name: LORD, Yahweh, Yahveh, YHWH, YHVH, Jehovah or Yehovah?]</ref>
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==See also==
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*[[Other gods]]
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*[[Atheism]]
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*[[Christianity in Conservapedia]]
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== References ==
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{{Reflist|2}}
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==External links==
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*[http://www.theopedia.com/God Theopedia - God]
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*[http://christiananswers.net/dictionary/god.html ChristianAnswers.net - God]
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*[http://wikible.org/en/God Wikible.org - God]
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*[http://www.opposingviews.com/questions/is-there-a-god Opposing Views: Is There a God?]
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[[Category:Christianity]]
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[[Category:Divine Beings]]

Revision as of 19:05, 2 April 2010

This article is about the biblical God. For the term as used to refer to any divine being, see Other Gods

File:Alphaomega.jpg
God is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last, the beginning and the ending

Template:Cquote Template:TrinityGod is the sovereign creator and eternal ruler of all things and beings that exist, whether in the physical universe or in the spiritual realm (Heaven). Not only is God the creator and ruler of the things and beings within those two realms, but he is also the creator of the realms themselves. God created the physical universe, and before he acted in this creation, the universe did not exist. Likewise God did with the spiritual realm.

God is Revealed: How we know about God

Other than creation itself, God is revealed in several ways, including conscience and special revelation (the bible, and prophets). Most importantly though, God is revealed in Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God.

Attributes or Character of God

The attributes of God are things that describe who he is. Similar to the way one might describe a close friend to another individual, so too do these attributes describe God's character and nature. Attributes of God include but are not limited to Wisdom, Infinitude, Sovereignty, Holiness, Trinity, Omniscience, Faithfulness, Love, Omnipotence, Self-existence, Self-sufficiency, Justice, Immutability, Mercy, Eternal, Goodness, Gracious, and Omnipresence. These attributes all work in complete and perfect harmony with one another.

God exercises eternal and righteous judgment of the wicked in hell, because of an inherent problem in the human heart, namely Sin. According to the Bible, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross of calvary and then resurrection, is God's merciful and gracious response to the problem of the human heart.

God is Triune

Template:Main

Although the Bible does not use the term, it is clear that God is a triune God, or three in one. These are sometimes referred to as God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit.

The first hint of the Trinity is in Template:Bible ref which relates God saying, "Let us make man in our image", indicating that God is a plurality.

The three persons of God are treated as equivalents in these words of Jesus shortly after His resurrection: Template:Bible quote

Jesus is God

The first verse of the Gospel of John, in which Jesus is referred to as the "Word", makes clear that Jesus is synonymous with God: Template:Bible quote This verse not only says that "the Word" (Jesus) is synonymous with God, but also says that the Word was "in the beginning", which means that He existed before all else existed, something that is only true of God.

This is reinforced two verses later, in which Jesus is described as the creator. Genesis refers to God as being the Creator. Template:Bible quote

The Holy Spirit is God

In the following passage, the Holy Spirit is referred to as God: Template:Bible quote

God is omniscient

Template:Main

God knows everything: Template:Bible quote

Because God is outside of time, He can see and knows the past and the future as well as the present.

"God" sometimes used to refer to God the Father

In the bible, the word "God" (θεός) does not always refer to God's being as a whole, but more specifically refers to the Person of the Father (God the Father). Here are some verses which demonstrate this: Template:Cquote Template:Cquote Notice how in each case, "Father" can be substituted for "God." For example, "For the Father so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son," and "not that we loved the Father, but that He loved us and sent His Son."

Terminology

The Bible uses several different words to refer to God. "God" itself is not a name, but an Old English word meaning supreme being, diety,[1] which the translators who translated the Bible in to English chose as the appropriate English word for the Hebrew elohim and the Greek theos used in the Old Testament and New Testament respectively.[2]

The other main term for God is the Hebrew adonai, usually translated Lord. There are various compound words also used in the Bible, such as el shaddai, which means God Almighty ("el" is a short version of elohim).[2]

YHWH is given in the Bible as God's actual name. In most English Bibles it is translated as Lord, in small capitals. The name has various other English versions, including Yehovah, Jehovah, and Yahweh.[3]

See also

References

Template:Reflist

External links

  1. God Online Etymology Dictionary.
  2. 2.0 2.1 Kruse, Dale P.,More on the Names of God In the Bible, Advanced Training Program of Evangelism.
  3. McHyde, Tim, God’s Name: LORD, Yahweh, Yahveh, YHWH, YHVH, Jehovah or Yehovah?