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<p>Created page with &#039;== Oversight Board Meeting Log 2009-11-13 == :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; FWIW, I may be a few minutes late to the SLOBs meeting. The conference is scheduled to end at 4, but it is run…&#039;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>== Oversight Board Meeting Log 2009-11-13 ==<br /> <br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; FWIW, I may be a few minutes late to the SLOBs meeting. The conference is scheduled to end at 4, but it is running late. (I am the last talk.)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; But please get started without me.<br /> |&lt;-- sdziallas has left freenode (&quot;Ex-Chat&quot;)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I will definitely by about 15 - 20 minutes late.<br /> --&gt;| SeanDaly (n=chatzill@static-241102.xdsl.raiffeisen.net) has joined #sugar-meeting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; morning.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hi all<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hi Sean here<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: is walterbender speaking now?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I am in SFScon auditorium, Walter is up next<br /> * tomeu is hidden in a hole coding<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Federico is onstage now re Zeitgeist<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; looks like I am not up next... so I can start meeting and just break when I have to get on stage<br /> * SeanDaly a bit nervous about getting my plane<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: the airport is 10 minutes away<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; shall we have a quick meeting?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: my brain says no problem, my heart says 900 roros if I miss it<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; OK. with me.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: ping<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; someone able to poke Adam?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mel cannot join us. nor Adam<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: adam is traveling now<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; oh, ok<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; fortunately, they can vote by email later<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok, should I go through the agenda items?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; sure<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #start-meeting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yes pls<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #topic cjb report on email list<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: no hyphen<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #startmeeting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Meeting started at 10:05 UTC. The chair is walterbender.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #topic email list<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok, here&#039;s what I was able to come up with, don&#039;t know if anyone will like it :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; a) new list: slobs-members@. goes only to slobs.<br /> * bernie waves<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ciao bernardo<br /> * SeanDaly hi bernie<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: is there a b) ?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yes, moment<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I have a counter-proposal: creating a teams@ list for all team leaders and slobs, and unsubscribing non-slobs from slobs@<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: wait for me to finish, though.<br /> * walterbender is waiting for part b<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; b) slobs@ becomes the proper list for SLOBS business.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; .. SLOBS business includes questions from the community about policy ..<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: for adding agenda items...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah!<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; an open list, presumably<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; seems orthogonal to Bernie&#039;s suggestion<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I thought we had said an agenda proposal went thru a SLOB?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yes. and, I think most of the mail currently on slobs@ can stay on that open list<br /> * tomeu doesn&#039;t understand what team leaders have to do in all this<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; not everyone will want to subscribe to it<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; most of it will be organizational minutia, after all<br /> * SeanDaly also would hesitate to add team leader layer...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I guess the only question is whether we couldn&#039;t just use iaep for the same purpose<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: only for the reason I just gave<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; tomeu, SeanDaly: currently, we have almost all team leaders subscribed to slobs@. and it helps for coordination.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: how it helps to coordinate anything?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; there may be people who want to read iaep@ and don&#039;t want to read boring financial details or policy questions<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: ok but they are all on IAEP too, no?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I am genrally in favor of fewer lists and more sunject-line tags<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; maybe iaep with a subject slobs business?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ^sun^sub<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; [SLOBS]<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: teams@ would not be open. it would be the same of the current slobs@, in my mind.<br /> * SeanDaly imagines Mel reacting to phrase &quot;would not be open&quot; ;-)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: what team business needs to be private? hypathetical, pelase&gt;<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; please?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: team coordinators are chosen by a criteria that is not too related to their suitability to be aware of confidential matters<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: we should probably ask the people on iaep whether they&#039;d like that or not, if we go this route<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: do you think we have sent too much administrative stuff already?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I certainly agree governance minutiae boring for many, but then again, the day a complaint about e.g. finances comes in, financial discussions clear<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; tomeu: to iaep? no<br /> --&gt;| andresambrois (n=aa@r190-135-149-15.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) has joined #sugar-meeting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; tomeu: but I&#039;m talking about moving ~80% of SLOBs list traffic there<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; and it seems like that would be too much<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; don&#039;t think we have much traffic in slobs<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; slobs fairly low-volume in my view<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I guess that&#039;s true<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; also, while some admin stuff could be boring, the discussions that could ensure could be very interesting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: the original motivation for my request for a private list was to keep the slobs traffic lower<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; and chances are people would forget to forward to iaep and keep the discussion there<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: could you elaborate?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; you mean, keep the slobs@ traffic lower?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: it is easy to ignore email with suitable [BORING SLOBS BUSINESS] subject tags :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: less slobs traffic and less private list traffic both<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; so, perhaps we have a MOTION<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Anyway, I think we are really trying to decide between a new list and using [TAGS] on iaep<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; tags++<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; MOTION: close the slobs@ list to just SLOBs, move current slobs@ traffic to iaep@ with a [SLOBS] subject line tag where at all possible<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: second<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; discussion?<br /> * tomeu likes that motion as-is<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we&#039;ll have to explain this well. people will hear the &quot;you can&#039;t be on slobs@ part&quot; and think it&#039;s a negative for transparency.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; s/ part&quot;/&quot; part/<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; discussion: we need to explain policy to bootees<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bootees?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I&#039;ll try to explain it (and take the heat)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bootee: somebody removed from list<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; oh :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; any more discussion?<br /> * SeanDaly not from me<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;m interested in what Mel and Adam think<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: me too. we will get their votes.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; (by email withing 96 hours?)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; the problem with all voting now is that we&#039;ll pass it without them, and then they&#039;ll point out the giant flaw in our strategy :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; (I hope my talk goes better than my typing)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; would people be opposed to having all of us postpone our vote until they&#039;ve had a chance to join in the discussion?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I am fine with it.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; or, could be amended<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; excellent. okay, I&#039;d like to do that.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we can vote on it first thing next week...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; shall we move on for now, then, with that MOTION suitably transcribed?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; OK.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #task write up the motion with the minutes<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; next topic?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #topic lists for teams<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: can you explain a bit more?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: ping?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; friends, I am going to be called to the podium in a moment and Sean will need to take off.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; can I propose a #task?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok. maybe that&#039;s our short meeting. :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; sure<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #task: bernie: write a note about your proposal<br /> |&lt;-- andresambrois has left freenode (Remote closed the connection)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #task: carlo has a nice document re the next topic I can circulate (to IAEP with suitable [TAG] when I get back to Boston<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #task: I&#039;ll bug the DP for closure.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; end meeting?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;tomeu&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok with me<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok with me<br /> * tomeu goes listen to the talk<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Sorry about the awkward timing...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; np<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; the conference gods weren&#039;t cooperating :(<br /> * SeanDaly knows how much &quot;fun&quot; it is to miss a plane<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; thanks for coming everyone. Same time next week.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; :-)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: I&#039;ll tell you a Seymour/Piaget story some time :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #endmeeting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Meeting finished at 10:29.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Logs available at http://meeting.laptop.org/</div>

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