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<p>Created page with &#039;:&#039;&#039;&#039;#startmeeting&#039;&#039;&#039; :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Meeting started at 11:10 UTC. The chair is walterbender. :Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #...&#039;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>:&#039;&#039;&#039;#startmeeting&#039;&#039;&#039;<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Meeting started at 11:10 UTC. The chair is walterbender.<br /> :Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #TOPIC Trademark<br /> :Just want to mention that I haven&#039;t heard back from Karen/SFC about our revisions.<br /> :I suspect we are OK, but we should remain open to any needed tweaks.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we&#039;ll need to follow up<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Was anyone privy to feedback from the distros?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; no, but I suspect we haven&#039;t told any of them yet<br /> :* walterbender heard that bernie may join us<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I think Mel was going to ping Fedora<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I want to contact the distros &amp; start explainings of objectives<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; In any case, I think we are in a good place. Thanks for hanging in there everyone.<br /> :We also have a few open requests re trademark we should process. The one I recall is a request from .py. We had given them a conditional OK pending the resolution of our policy.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; there may be others I don&#039;t recall.<br /> :hi bernie<br /> :* SeanDaly greets bernie<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #action Walter to compile a list of outstanding TM requests to review at the next meeting<br /> :Shall we move on to the main topic?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: dfarning had mailed some weeks ago asking if his site didn&#039;t infringe. I didn&#039;t see any myself but what we need to do is define a procedure (even temporary) to review requests &amp; respond<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; @*#! damn the university is firewalled<br /> :[INFO] 2 matches for “bernie”: [bernie, bernie__]<br /> :* bernie__ is using a web chat<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; aside from label program<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie__: tor is your friend :)<br /> :* mchua_afk apologizes, got pulled into a sudden meeting with boss&#039;s boss, will have to read this one in backlog<br /> :--&gt; $dayjob_unexpectedness<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly, all: if you knw of any requests, please forward them to me so I can build a comprehensive list for our review. Presumably it can become a regular (quick) action item at our meetings,.<br /> :hi mel<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;#topic vacancies&#039;&#039;&#039;<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: did i miss dfarning&#039;s site we were supposed to review?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: and, a good indicator of questions the FAQ should answer (the one I volunteered to edit)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: OK. between press releases :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; :D<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CanoeBerry: I think it&#039;s this one: http://activitycentral.org/<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly wrote a very nice PR last night to go out on Monday.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; haven&#039;t heard back from gnomies yet though<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; at the moment they mention Sugar a lot but I can&#039;t see any links to sugarlabs.org, so that&#039;s probably something to change<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but OLPC-A is reviewing<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: well, we don&#039;t have to worry about people mistaking the graphics for Sugar style on that site :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: theirs on Monday will be first PR to mention Sugar<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: OLPC, you mean? I&#039;m talking about dfarning&#039;s site<br /> :unless dfarning is also making a press release<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: no sorry I&#039;m confused<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; np<br /> :I was looking at http://activitycentral.org/development<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;ve wanted to tell dfarning that I didn&#039;t like the name of the site. But that&#039;s neither here nor there<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much we could do about that :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: dfarning alluded to &quot;inherent friction&quot; between activity central and Sugar Labs... not clear what he is referring to... perhaps we can invite him to brief us next meeting.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; a marketplace makes sense when the market is large... when it&#039;s 2 Activities, it&#039;s not large....<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: there&#039;ll be friction from their hosting/encouragement of non-free activities<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; AFAIK, he is setting up a parallel portal to ASLO for non-FOSS activities...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: he means competition for ASLO<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but I can&#039;t think of any other friction<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I don&#039;t see any conflict or friction with that plan, but I am happy to listen<br /> :seems like a win for us<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; my personal view is that there are already 3-4 different sites for downloading sugar activities. one more does not bother me at all.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I think there&#039;s conflict/friction because he&#039;s doing something we don&#039;t encourage, which means we can&#039;t encourage people to use his site.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; But let&#039;s plan on inviting him to talk with us rather than speculate.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; DISCLAIMER: I&#039;m helping dfarning with mentoring his development team<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; sure :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; if dfarning can arrange developer resources, more power to him<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Shall we move on. We have an important topic to discuss.<br /> :related to developer resources<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; the other activity sites I&#039;m referring to are: http://wiki.laptop.org/ http://xoplanet.blogspot.com/ http://ceibaljam.org/ and, of course, http://activities.sugarlabs.org/<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we have a specific issue and a meta topic...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; +1 for moving on<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; the specific issue is that we have 3 vacancies in critical positions<br /> :the meta topic is how we address filling vacancies<br /> :and perhaps a meta meta topic is why we have vacancies to begin with<br /> :the vacancies are (1) Deployment Team lead; (2) Development Team lead; and (3) Release Manager for 0.90<br /> :(We are still missing a few other positions, such as Finance Director.)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; it could even be argued that we don&#039;t have a Curriculum team lead<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;m mostly worried for (2). Deployments and other contributors need a responsive upstream to work with. This is critical to our success.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; aside for later: i&#039;d like to know more about http://xoplanet.blogspot.com<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: I agree, but I think that (1) is a major reason we have trouble with (2)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CanoeBerry: it&#039;s where doom, ninja zero and other goodies come from. Teachers asked us to ban it with the web filter :-(<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; (can questions be asked by non SLOB members during the meeting?)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: let me know who runs it, regardless of the sexually-tinged adverts..<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: yes<br /> :rgs_: especially from someone who knows a lot about (1) :-)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; what is expected from 1? (in terms of hours, responsabilities, etc.).. at least the big picture<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CanoeBerry: dunno...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; another aside for later: bernie: is the planet feed down? It seems stuck.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: I suppose goals might be (a) to convene a weekly meeting, (b) to have attendance by representatives of the N largest Sugar deployments at the meeting, (c) to successfully shape the rest of Sugar with their input<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: well, I think a big frustration for the development team has been a lack of any systemic process for soliciting feedback from deployments.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: ugh. I&#039;ll look into it this afternoon. please remind me. (now I&#039;m supposed to give a class and my colleagues are filling in for me :-(<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; a pity tomeu is travelling today, the vacancies problem is near &amp; dear to his heart<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: so I think that while we have some processes in place (and an on-going debate about how to improve them) without feedback from our users, we are really not in a good position to make decisions.<br /> :SeanDaly: he will read the log and comment... we&#039;ll not settle these issues without him.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;d love to volunteer.. although I am not sure our deployment is the most representative (right now 5K user, by the end of the year we will have 10K Sugar users)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: cool!<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: we also believe that deployments have dev resources which ideally could be in close contact with us<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: the size of the deployment is not the issue; it is a matter of outreach to all the deployments...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: I am already taking a defacto sabatical from TA :p<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: I don&#039;t think we need the most representative deployment to host the meetings, we.. right, what walterbender said<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; someone from the LA world would be ideal at this stage, since that is so representative of most of our users.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; k, I count with your guidance in order to make deployments collaborate in making Sugar the best learning platform ever!<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: if, at a later point, someone from a more representative deployment steps up and wants to coordinate the Deployment Team, you can always pass them the chair.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; (that is.. in case you would like me to help out with that task)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; it would be fairly reasonable to host the meetings in Spanish :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; well maybe have a solution of (1) :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: you get my vote<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: i&#039;m in awe<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: more than fairly reasonable... they should be in the language of the deployers...<br /> :rgs_: are you going to get in trouble with Cecilia, taking on yet more responsibilities :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; translation bots are a commodity nowadays :)<br /> :* bernie__ is biased (rgs is my boss)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: probably yes :)<br /> :walterbender: cjb : everyone: Paraguay Educa is aware of the missing positions in SL<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I guess I should abstain from voting on this<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: let&#039;s discuss the details after the meeting.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; and wants to cooperate in any possible way<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie__: didn&#039;t mean a literal vote<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; this raises one of the meta issues...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; thanks<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; so, if we can help... we&#039;ll be very happy to allocate a few hours<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I presume at some level, SLOBs appoints/approves Teams (I believe we say so in our governance rules).<br /> :but we don&#039;t discuss the mechanism by which we get input.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; the position that worries me the most is (2) Without a functional Development Team we&#039;re toast.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I was talking with alsroot about the Developer Team position and he had some interesting ideas<br /> :In my mind, that position is critical to determining the milieu of the developer community<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: alsroot would definitely get my +1<br /> :walterbender: same for silbe<br /> :walterbender: (however, they both seem overworked already)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; and it would perhaps be useful for potential team leaders to write a few paragraphs describing their POV re development and processes.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; sounds good<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: such a shame you&#039;re missing realness.org in the end, where many of these issues will be discussed!<br /> :bernie has us tempted, when he said you were coming 10 days back :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CanoeBerry: he&#039;ll be sending his eyes and ears in the form of Bernardo :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: I asked people from uruguay if someone would be willing to maintain parts of sugar<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: I think we need more maintainers, but I was thinking of the Developer Team leader position...<br /> :It is a critical position in terms of how the developer community (and upstream and downstream) view our project.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: we could have an explicit election for it, perhaps?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: +1<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: you mean if more than one candidate?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: but we have to be fast<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: announcing an election might generate more candidates :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I am not sure if we need that level of formality, but a discussion on devel would be great<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: we can&#039;t afford to wait one month to unstuck development<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: I think the formality might help bring out candidates and attention to their platforms/plans<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: currently, dozens and dozens of patches are sitting unreviewed in trac or in the mailing list... some have been bitrotting for 4-5 months<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; so while I agree it&#039;s not necessary, I think it might actually be desirable<br /> :bernie__: two-week election, perhaps?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; here&#039;s an idea I hd raised recently in a marketing meeting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;m +1 on an election if we can manage to vote by next week.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie__: if we&#039;ve been waiting 5 months, another two weeks can&#039;t be awful :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; the banner ad we ran last December had over half a million impressions in 30 days... almost all of which were on FOSS-themed sites<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: we could wait more if someone (you?) could fill-in the position for these two weeks<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we could consider advertising for talent<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie__: Quozl&#039;s been doing a nice job of reviewing everything that&#039;s come up on devel@, I think<br /> :SeanDaly: that&#039;s an interesting ide<br /> :a<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: for sure... but it is hard to imagine a complete outside stepping into any of these three roles.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie__&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: Quozl would also make a great development team lead imho<br /> :cjb: review != ack<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: perhaps a fallback for if an election doesn&#039;t gain any candidates?<br /> :bernie__: *nod*<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; seems like are converging on consensus around a quick election.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;m happy to run the election<br /> :if that helps<br /> :although I haven&#039;t set up selectricity before<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: +1<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;ll be at mako&#039;s place tonight, could perhaps get instruction from him<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; how quick is realistic? grooming candidates is key obviously..<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CanoeBerry: a week for nominations followed by two weeks of voting?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: that part is pretty easy... and I think Mako may know a thing or two about it :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; how about 10+10 days?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: the part I&#039;m wondering about is things like how to distribute a token to each SL member<br /> :CanoeBerry: sure, good idea<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: we have a list of email addresses already compiled by our election committee<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ah hah<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: lfarone maintains it, as I recall<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; excellent<br /> :I&#039;ll mail him<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; shall I prepare a mail announcing the existence of the election and what it hopes to achieve, and send to SLOBS for feedback?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #action CJB will organize a 10-day campaign followed by a 10-day election for a new Developer Team lead.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CJB needs a pretty dress too.<br /> :Sorry ;)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: ping alsroot too as I think he had good ideas about the wording<br /> :So, what about Release Manager?<br /> :I had been hoping we&#039;d have found a shadow for Erikos but one never materialized.<br /> :He is willing to mentor whomever takes on 0.90<br /> :This is pretty important to resolve ASAP as we need to prepare a schedule.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Perhaps Dogi will help reverse the German brain drain, hrh ;)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Erikos has been very professional about our releases, which I think has given us some real credibility.<br /> :I hadn&#039;t heard that Dogi or anyone else had stepped up...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Must find Dogi to discuss these wider issues..<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; In terms of process, I don&#039;t think RM is a position we should elect, but one that is appointed based on feedback.<br /> :?<br /> :* bernie is back<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Time Check?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; lunchtime? tea time?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; so we&#039;ll have to wait 20 days for the new developer team lead?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we need to end...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: can you fill-in until we have a new one elected please?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; any further ideas re RM?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: yes. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s realistic to expect us to get one in less time.<br /> :(that was yes to the first question -- not sure about me filling in, I&#039;ll have my hands busy just organizing an election.)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: it&#039;s really urgent for us to be able to work with a responsive upstream.<br /> :alsroot: maybe you could do it?<br /> :because I have a stake on it, I offered to maintain all modules in the 0.88 branch until we find maintainers. I cannot take more than this at this time, sorry.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: maybe part of cjb&#039;s announcement is a request on devel for a interim lead<br /> :and maybe the 1st task of the new lead is to appoint a RM?<br /> :any other ideas?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; great ideas.<br /> :pretty dress was not entirely a joke.<br /> :honoring our roles, making them attractive..<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; speaking of honoring our roles, I want to let the record show that we, the SL community, greatly appreciate the work that Erikos and Tomeu did these past two years as RM and Dev Team lead...<br /> :maybe that should be a motion<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hear hear :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; YES<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hark<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: +1<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; They have given us a rigor and discipline to provide a solid platform for the development and deployment communities.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; so we have our work cut out for us. CJB, let me know if I can help; rgs_ let&#039;s talk about deployment team responsibilities<br /> :shall we aim for another meeting next week? We should be well into the campaign by then.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; the primaries at least!<br /> :* dogi waves ...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; dogi: you around tonight at the party etc?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: can we talk about deployment team responsibilities later on (like in 5 hours). I have to go to Caacupe for a few meetings with our tech support team<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;alsroot&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bernie: about RM? I think it would be more useful to discuss this question when situation w/ dev lead will be more clear<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;bernie&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: +1<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs_: catch up with you in 5 hours<br /> :alsroot: I agree<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;rgs_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: great<br /> :* rgs_ ---&gt; Caacupe<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok... I think we have gotten as far as we can today.<br /> :thanks everyone.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;#endmeeting&#039;&#039;&#039;<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Meeting finished at 12:16.<br /> :Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/sugar-meeting/sugar-meeting.log.20100514_1110.html</div>

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