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<p>Created page with &#039;:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; good morning all :who from SLOBs is here for the meeting? :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; morning :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hi cjb :cjb: I was just in Kendall Sq., meeting with Mi...&#039;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; good morning all<br /> :who from SLOBs is here for the meeting?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; morning<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hi cjb<br /> :cjb: I was just in Kendall Sq., meeting with Mike Dawson...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; oh, cool<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: but now I am back in Newton after a sprint home on my bike :)<br /> :cjb: his eXe work is impressive...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah, Bernie sounded very impressed too<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hi everyone<br /> :(need to sprint on my new electric bike in an hour ;-)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hi SeanDaly<br /> :we need one more for a quorum<br /> :=-=:mchua_afk is now known as mchua<br /> :* mchua:is here!<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; sorry, I woke up very late today.<br /> :we have quorum. :)<br /> :walterbender: quorum!<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;#&#039;&#039;&#039;startmeeting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Meeting started at 11:11 UTC. The chair is walterbender.<br /> :Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Welcome all...<br /> :I&#039;d like to start by quickly reviewing the list of Local Labs so we can officially offer them use of the TM<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;#&#039;&#039;&#039;TOPIC local labs<br /> :or not, if we don&#039;t think they should...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; As per [[Trademark]] procedure, don&#039;t they have to contact us with a request first? (in other words, should our action here really be &quot;ping local labs and say &quot;hey, if you want to use our trademark, please submit a request as per this page!&quot;)?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: they have all contacted us, but put on hold for over a year...<br /> :and .py has also contacted us...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Oh! okay, wasn&#039;t aware. Where can we see the requests queue?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we granted provisional use until the TM policy was sorted out...<br /> :mchua: buried in emails... I can try to dig up all the emails and present them to SLOBs... maybe best to do it that way?<br /> :so we can defer until I&#039;ve done that homework, if you&#039;d like.<br /> :* mchua:nods, it&#039;d be nice to have them queued up for quick voting.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #ACTION: Walter to gather various requests from local labs for use of our TM in one place<br /> :OK, we&#039;ll get to this next time.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; do we have trademark@sl.o alias --&gt; slobs? or something that&#039;ll help avoid burying walterbender&#039;s inbox in the future?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we need to formalize who gets to be a local lab (aside from first-come first-served)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #INFO: Local Labs trademark item deferred &#039;till next meeting when we have a TM request queue<br /> :SeanDaly: +1<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we&#039;ve discussed it before; it could be as simple as a SLOBs vote<br /> :but contact a prerequisite in any case<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: well, we have a set of guidelines and no policy of exclusion (Moodle for example restricts it to tw per country)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: that&#039;s true<br /> :in my mnd a loca lab was national but really no need to restrict I can think of; could wel be by city?<br /> :i l l<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs<br /> :* SeanDaly:missing letters<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; the question, related to Topic 3 today, is the degree of control and oversight we want to administer<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: I think submitting for a SLOBs vote is a great Local Lab approval proposal - that&#039;s going to scale up for a while<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; but maybe we should defer that discussion until later.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: actually, what is the rest of the agenda today, for reference?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Hey, SMParrish_mobile - long time no see.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: 2. Dev Team; 3. Certification<br /> :It seems that without Bernie and Tomeu we are not well positioned to discuss #2<br /> :So maybe this is a short meeting...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; But let&#039;s switch to that topic for a moment, since we&#039;ve agreed to defer on Topic #1?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I think #2 is urgent enough that we should state the problem and then find a way to start bringing it up on list, but that&#039;s just me.<br /> :walterbender: +1<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #TOPIC Devel Team vacancies<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; So, this makes me more nervous than anything else - because without continued maintenance of our codebase, we have a shaky foundation for everything else we do to build upon.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; We have to important vacancies to fill: team leader/coordinator/facilitator and release manager<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; The growth we&#039;re seeing - deployments, local labs, Soas, the marketing being done, the people being reached - they depend on us having code that functions, and... we&#039;re hurting for people.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: did anyone throw their hat in the ring?<br /> :* mchua:nods. How soon is the next release supposed to come out? We don&#039;t have a lot of time.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: not until Sept/Oct time frame<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: nope<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I was afraid of that...<br /> :Maybe time to do some behind the scenes coercing :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah. well, it might be partly because we backed off from the idea in the e-mail replies to the thread.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Probably. :) There&#039;s a limited number of people in the world that *can* fill those positions right now, as I see it<br /> :because some experience with the Sugar codebase is required (I would assume).<br /> :...or perhaps that assumption is wrong?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yes, pretty much<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: agreed, although one could be release manager without knowing the code itself, just the processes<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; hm, a while ago it sounded like m_stone could be persuaded to have a shot at release manager<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; if tomeu were here, he would say: we need someone experienced, who knows the open source way, and does not need lots of briefing to get up to speed (he will correct me if I err)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; everyone should beat up on him until he says yes :)<br /> :* mchua:does recall, though, that gregdek did step up to lead the engineering team about 1.5 years ago, and seemed to manage that well even without being a Sugar dev.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: yes... the process, but not the details of the code<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; So maybe we mostly need someone that groks the open source way and how to wrangle engineering, and is willing to learn more about Sugar over the course of the release.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Listening :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; The release manager should be about keeping things moving, but not imposing opinions about content... IMHO<br /> :that is for the devel team to do collectively<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I don&#039;t really agree, but having a release manager is probably more important than agreement about technique :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: please expand...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; (I think the most important job the release manager does is decide whether a late change constitutes acceptable risk, and I think doing that requires deep understanding of programming and the complexity of a given bug/solution.)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: yes, I agree with that...<br /> :and to really understand risk, they will need a deep understanding of Sugar and/or a good process for getting input from those that do...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; yeah<br /> :but I&#039;d rather have a release manager who&#039;s enthusiastic and willing to ask other people for advice than no release manager at all :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: +1<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; All righty. So, who&#039;s finding one?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;JT4sugar&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Have you thought of asking Satelit he is retired and may be a good fit with the recent work he has been doing<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; And what&#039;s our fallback if we don&#039;t find one by $date? Skip a release?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; JT4sugar: interesting idea...<br /> :mchua: I don&#039;t know how we could release without a release manager... so we&#039;ll have to adjust our schedule accordingly<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mtd&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I&#039;d rather not have such a release manager - a bad release is worse than no release.<br /> :* mtd:thinks from the peanut gallery<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mtd&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: m_stone would be great<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mtd: I agree - so I would reply to walterbender&#039;s comment that, if we want an October/November release, then if we don&#039;t have a release manager by... say, start of July, we should skip this release, slip 6 months.<br /> :* mtd:finishes scrollback, thinks m_stone beating should occur.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; can we get a volunteer to attempt to persuade m_stone that we think he would be awesome and he should sign up? :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ...but that&#039;s just my opinion.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mtd&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: does he not know we think he is awesome?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mtd: he&#039;s had some unsatisfying experiences with us recently<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; so let&#039;s ask m_stone ( cjb ) and satellit_ ( JT4sugar )...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mtd&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I told him that a week ago, otherwise I would volunteer to do so again.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; like patches being ignored<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mtd&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; s/ again//<br /> :cjb: I nominate you to tell him again, using force if necesary.<br /> :mchua: yeah<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; perhaps satellit_could shadow m_stone and be ready to do in the next cycle, so we can grow a crop of people ready to fill the role<br /> :and erikos has volunteered to help whomever we find...<br /> :* SeanDaly:bio crop, no artifical preservatives<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok<br /> :* mchua:fires out a quick email to m_stone saying &quot;please do consider the release manager position&quot;<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: thanks<br /> :I think it&#039;s good to have him hear it from multiple people he respects<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;ll make sure he gets a copy of the meeting log as well :)<br /> :and satellit_is perhaps listening in right now :)<br /> :any other ideas for the moment?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rkabir?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;satellit_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; * I am and am unsure I am qualified for something like this<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; he certainly has the PM chops - just not the Sugar-specific experience, but this might be the sort of concrete job description he needs to get started.<br /> :* mchua:shoots off an email to rkabir as well<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; satellit_: but would yu shadow so that you can learn the ropes?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; satellit_: your seriousness &amp; commitment &amp; contributions are appreciated<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;satellit_&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; possibly, but I am uncomfortable with managing this kind of position....<br /> :thanks<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; satellit_: OK..<br /> :shall we use our last 15 minutes to discuss Certification?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; just a question, is it taboo to discuss 6-month release cycle? would a breather be out of the question? My concern is we are too out in front of our deployments<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Yep. And check in on dev team vacancies again next week, I&#039;d say.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; that said, fabulous 0.88 work on XO-1.5 coming up<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: ...actually, that may not be a bad assumption to consider - should we do that here, or on the devel list?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; +1 to devel<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; if it&#039;s not taboo, on devel list seems appropriate<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; not taboo... the only thing that is taboo is double-click<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; :D :D<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;JT4sugar&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; A set of emails laying out what we are looking for in Release Manager and Team Leader should be resent to all lists, including OLPC lists it&#039;s our best way to advertise these openings-not sure Community quite understands situation<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; another angle is: next release have features lined up, or working on collab reliability, or what?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #Action Everyone to turn over more &quot;stones&quot; looking to fill the open positions<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: we don&#039;t know what the features will be, because of aforementioned lack of release manager and team lead :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: Or sustainability of having enough people in the future to continue running a good development team? /me always thinks about capacity-building first<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: that is the meta question...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; cjb: I was wondering where feature set came from...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I would propose that we set a deadline of July 1st to find a release manager for an Oct/Nov release.<br /> :And if we don&#039;t have one by then, we slip the release approximately 6 months, and bring up these other questions (release cycle length, etc) to consider.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: we discuss features at design meetings and have a feature proposal process<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Since in the absence of dev team leadership, I believe it falls to SLOBs to make sure the engineering moves forward in *some* clear way (even if that way is &quot;we are going to be explicit about deferring our work until we have enough capacity to do it.&quot;)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: I agree in principle... have to look at the calendar tho.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; total aside: i will be ramping the sri lankan testing team back up on Monday, and will appreciate &quot;educated&quot; opinions on which XO-1 an XO-1.5 builds we should focus on<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: ah<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CanoeBerry: I&#039;<br /> :d focus on cjb&#039;s latest for xo 1.5 and .py&#039;s for xo 1.0<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CanoeBerry: Will they be on the olpc testing mailing list? I need a single place to send QA efforts towards.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: yes<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; There&#039;s OLPC build testing, sugar-core testing, Activity testing, SoaS testing... they all overlap, etc.<br /> :CanoeBerry: Excellent, I&#039;ll see them there then.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we are running out of time... can we switch topics?<br /> :?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; sure<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: we&#039;ll do our best to post most/a lot of the sri lanka volunteers&#039; conf calls to testing@l.l.o<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #TOPIC Certification<br /> :This is related to Topic #1...<br /> :has everyone seen rgs_ &#039;s email?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; which?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Link?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; to summarize, he&#039;d like to use the SL TM on certificates he gives to people who took his devel course<br /> :* walterbender:gets the link from the agenda page...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; &quot;officially recognized Sugar developer&quot;<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2010-May/010965.html<br /> :SeanDaly: that is where we are heading...<br /> :SeanDaly: I think we want high standards, but I also think that we should ultimately let the local labs we have endorsed have the final say...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; sounds good<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; so our role would be to certify the local lab... and let them certify the course...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: I can&#039;t imagine how we could certify individuals - a tes with N°2 pencils?<br /> :walterbender: so working with the local Lab a necessity I think<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;d like to know more about the standards they&#039;re using for certification - waht does it mean, what can those people do, what assurance do we have of quality of those that are getting certified?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; certifications have worked historically in the industry when large players (Novell, Microsoft, Oracle etc.) want to convince potential employers that there is a sufficiently large pool of employable talent<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: we should develop guidelines but at some level I think assurance has to be a local thing...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; rgs mentioned something interesting: he proposes cert if Activity comleted<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: I think the breadth and depth of the .py course, at least on paper, is pretty good<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; so perhaps posting it on ASLO could be part of a cert process<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;JT4sugar&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender, You might want to capture the course and certify that as well. Since Bernie was part of training team in this case certificates seem appropriate<br /> :* mchua:also thinks that any certified curriculum should be open-content and publicly posted somewhere in the SL universe (or linked-to from it)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua, SeanDaly yes... how does one know if the course was passed... a working activity is a pretty strong proof...<br /> :mchua: .py materials are open content... on the wiki<br /> :mchua: the link is in the email<br /> :we are just past noon EST... do people need to go?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;CanoeBerry&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; what remains?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; we could insist that a completed Activity follow guidelines and be distributed under a free license, if that&#039;s not too shocking<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; CanoeBerry: reaching consensus re Certification<br /> :* SeanDaly:needs to go shortly<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; SeanDaly: it cannot go on ASLO if it is not under a free license :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: Yeah, just noting that it makes a good requirement for later cases :)<br /> :walterbender: is there a motion we can vote on?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; well, good input. I can write these suggestions into a motion but to do it justice, let&#039;s prepare it for next week?<br /> :mchua: can we meet next week or will the workshop schedule intervene?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;#&#039;&#039;&#039;Action Summarize the Certification discussion into a motion<br /> :Could we meet a bit later on next Friday? After 3PM EST?<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; walterbender: I can do that.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; mchua: that being the summary :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; er, uh... meeting after 3pm EST Friday.<br /> :* mchua:is totally hosed for the next 2 weeks<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; after 3pm EST should be doable for me, but not before (commuting/supper)<br /> :* walterbender:is total hosed... that is life :)<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #agreed meet next week (11 June) at 3pm EST, 19UTC<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;cjb&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; ok<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; anything else? /me has to take a call in a few minutes...<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;mchua&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; I think we&#039;re set.<br /> :Good meeting. :) We should keep moving them along at this clip.<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; sure, we just need to avoid controversies :D<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; #endmeeting<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;meeting&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; Meeting finished at 12:14.<br /> :Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/sugar-meeting/sugar-meeting.log.20100604_1111.html<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;walterbender&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; thanks everyone<br /> :&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;SeanDaly&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; bye!<br /> :|&lt;--:SeanDaly has left freenode (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401064631])</div>

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