Talk:Features/Content support - Revision history

DanielDrake at 14:50, 4 July 2013

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	I'd argue for a somewhat different approach to achieving the same goals. Instead of introducing yet another modal dialog, why not eliminate the list view and replace it with the star function in the Journal itself. Any object that is starred will show up on the Home View. (Ideally, there would be multiple stars corresponding to multiple Home Views, e.g., one for school, one for home...)		Note that most of the discussion below refers to parts of the proposed feature which are no longer being proposed now (for the time being at least).

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			I'd argue for a somewhat different approach to achieving the same goals. Instead of introducing yet another modal dialog, why not eliminate the list view and replace it with the star function in the Journal itself.


			Any object that is starred will show up on the Home View. (Ideally, there would be multiple stars corresponding to multiple Home Views, e.g., one for school, one for home...)

	Features of this approach:		Features of this approach:

Skierpage: /* Browse can handle content bundles directly */ sign

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Browse can handle content bundles directly: sign

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	This has some interesting implications.		This has some interesting implications.
	* Sugar code doesn't have to keep a .xol and a Library directory in sync, installing and uninstalling the ~~lattr~~		* Sugar code doesn't have to keep a .xol and a Library directory in sync, installing and uninstalling the latter as .xols are opened and erased.
	* The file system ~~ensures uniqueness of~~ content ~~bundles~~		* The file system determines if a content bundle conflicts with another.
	* Instead of making web pages telling readers how great some content is, they can view it for themselves before they download.		* Instead of making web pages telling readers how great some content is, they can view it for themselves before they download.

	~~=== Limitations ===~~		There are limitations to this:
	* Some collections have an index.html that does a meta http-equiv refresh to a path in file:///home/olpc/Library , this won't work (and I think breaks anyway in other Sugar environments)		* Some collections have an index.html that does a meta http-equiv refresh to a path in file:///home/olpc/Library , this won't work (and I think breaks anyway in other Sugar environments)
	* Some collections (Biology, NatureImages, TranslationDictionary) reference a /usr/share/library-common/css/master.css). This won't work if you browse them remotely.		* Some collections (Biology, NatureImages, TranslationDictionary) reference a /usr/share/library-common/css/master.css). This won't work if you browse them remotely.
	* I don't know what the performance implications are. I know Firefox 3.6 has additional performance boosts as Mozilla moved more files into a single runtime .jar file.		* I don't know what the performance implications are. I know Firefox 3.6 has additional performance boosts as Mozilla moved more files into a single runtime .jar file.
			-- [[User:Skierpage\|Skierpage]] 06:40, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

Skierpage: /* Browse can handle content bundles directly */ new section

2010-09-04T10:28:52Z

Browse can handle content bundles directly: new section

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	#* Offering hints as to the number of updates available for content already stored locally		#* Offering hints as to the number of updates available for content already stored locally
	#*: <small>(as the current Activity Update interface offers. the default hint should probably be less bold; rather than a page listing the updates in detail and asking you to click "go!")</small>		#*: <small>(as the current Activity Update interface offers. the default hint should probably be less bold; rather than a page listing the updates in detail and asking you to click "go!")</small>

			== Browse can handle content bundles directly ==

			''The widely-deployed .xol content bundles only have minimal support (they can only be launched from the journal).''
			: Not true, you can view .xol (or any ZIP file) contents in Browse ''without installing or unpacking'' using the jar: protocol ({{bug\|1258}}).

			Copy and paste the following into your browse bar , including the "jar:" on the front.
			jar:http://wiki.laptop.org/images/3/3e/Biology-9.jar!/Biology/index.en.html

			This has some interesting implications.
			* Sugar code doesn't have to keep a .xol and a Library directory in sync, installing and uninstalling the lattr
			* The file system ensures uniqueness of content bundles
			* Instead of making web pages telling readers how great some content is, they can view it for themselves before they download.

			=== Limitations ===
			* Some collections have an index.html that does a meta http-equiv refresh to a path in file:///home/olpc/Library , this won't work (and I think breaks anyway in other Sugar environments)
			* Some collections (Biology, NatureImages, TranslationDictionary) reference a /usr/share/library-common/css/master.css). This won't work if you browse them remotely.
			* I don't know what the performance implications are. I know Firefox 3.6 has additional performance boosts as Mozilla moved more files into a single runtime .jar file.

Sj: 10244

2010-07-28T23:55:40Z

10244

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	== Adding a search interface for non-user-created content ==		== Adding a search interface for non-user-created content ==

	~~This~~ interface~~, or variations~~ of it~~, should~~		I like these suggestions a lot; it seems to me quite important to implement a first pass for use/testing/discussion.

			The idea of making better use of the home screen for finding/accessing content in particular could be enhanced by making good use of the search bar there (currently disabled).

			The results of a search should be an interface for discovering content of all sorts. It could also replace the current software update interface. I'd like to see it include (copied in part from [http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10244 bug 10244]):

	# Support discovery of local and remote content, including:		# Support discovery of local and remote content, including:

Sj: /* Adding a search interface for non-user-created content */ new section

2010-07-28T23:45:28Z

Adding a search interface for non-user-created content: new section

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	:: True, but with the concept of My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with my annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		:: True, but with the concept of My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with my annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
	:::It is the "natural way to introduce pre-installed content" part I still struggle with, but as I said, this is a preexisting problem and shouldn't be roadblock to this feature proposal. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 08:22, 22 July 2010 (EDT)		:::It is the "natural way to introduce pre-installed content" part I still struggle with, but as I said, this is a preexisting problem and shouldn't be roadblock to this feature proposal. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 08:22, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

			== Adding a search interface for non-user-created content ==

			This interface, or variations of it, should

			# Support discovery of local and remote content, including:
			#* Content available locally on the machine
			#* Content whose metadata / last known location is on the machine (found by searching a local metadata catalog)
			#* Content whose metadata / last known location is in a public catalog (found by visiting a URL)
			#:
			# Support discovery of many types of content:
			#* activities and content bundles (using .xo/.xol microformats or other)
			#* individual books (using OPDS data or other)
			#* journal entries (using standardized journal metadata if searching "others' public journals")
			#:
			# Support the notion of updates
			#* Checking for new catalog data and offering to update local catalog data when searches are run
			#* Checking metalists of available (distributed) catalogs and offering to check new catalogs for more activities/content
			#* Comparing version IDs or timestamps for activities/content that have it
			#* Offering hints as to the number of updates available for content already stored locally
			#*: <small>(as the current Activity Update interface offers. the default hint should probably be less bold; rather than a page listing the updates in detail and asking you to click "go!")</small>

FGrose: /* Home views as Journal favorites views */

2010-07-28T15:26:30Z

Home views as Journal favorites views

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	--[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 16:33, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		--[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 16:33, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

	http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-July/025615.html describes a Journal group design to support Activity and content grouping. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 11:26, 28 July 2010 (EDT)		http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-July/025615.html describes a Journal group design to support Activity and content grouping. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 11:26, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

	== (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access ==		== (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access ==

FGrose at 15:26, 28 July 2010

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	--[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 16:33, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		--[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 16:33, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
			http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-July/025615.html describes a Journal group design to support Activity and content grouping. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 11:26, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
	== (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access ==		== (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access ==

Walter: /* (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access */

2010-07-22T12:22:54Z

(Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

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	:This proposal somewhat exasperates the confusion over things pre-installed in the Journal, but this is a preexisting problem. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 20:55, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		:This proposal somewhat exasperates the confusion over things pre-installed in the Journal, but this is a preexisting problem. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 20:55, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
	:: True, but with the concept of My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with my annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		:: True, but with the concept of My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with my annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
			:::It is the "natural way to introduce pre-installed content" part I still struggle with, but as I said, this is a preexisting problem and shouldn't be roadblock to this feature proposal. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 08:22, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

FGrose: /* (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access */

2010-07-22T03:25:42Z

(Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

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	:This proposal somewhat exasperates the confusion over things pre-installed in the Journal, but this is a preexisting problem. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 20:55, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		:This proposal somewhat exasperates the confusion over things pre-installed in the Journal, but this is a preexisting problem. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 20:55, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
	:: True, but with the concept of a My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with ~~your~~ annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		:: True, but with the concept of My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with my annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

FGrose at 03:17, 22 July 2010

2010-07-22T03:17:01Z

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	:This proposal somewhat exasperates the confusion over things pre-installed in the Journal, but this is a preexisting problem. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 20:55, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		:This proposal somewhat exasperates the confusion over things pre-installed in the Journal, but this is a preexisting problem. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 20:55, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
			:: True, but with the concept of a My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with your annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

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	:This proposal somewhat exasperates the confusion over things pre-installed in the Journal, but this is a preexisting problem. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 20:55, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		:This proposal somewhat exasperates the confusion over things pre-installed in the Journal, but this is a preexisting problem. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 20:55, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
	:: True, but with the concept of My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with my annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)		:: True, but with the concept of My Journal vs. Others', a System Journal may come to conveniently represent the machine (with appropriate groups, such as event and error logs, that are more closely associated with the system vs. the learner). We could find a natural way to introduce pre-installed content, which, once activated, become learner Activity instances, such as the e-book with my annotations and last page number, etc. --[[User:FGrose\|FGrose]] 23:17, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
			:::It is the "natural way to introduce pre-installed content" part I still struggle with, but as I said, this is a preexisting problem and shouldn't be roadblock to this feature proposal. --[[User:Walter\|Walter]] 08:22, 22 July 2010 (EDT)