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		<title>Cjl: moved Talk:Walter is a wanker 13/Minutes to Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes over redirect: revert</title>
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		<updated>2010-02-25T00:01:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;moved &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Talk:Walter_is_a_wanker_13/Minutes&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Walter is a wanker 13/Minutes (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Talk:Walter is a wanker 13/Minutes&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/go/Talk:Oversight_Board/Minutes&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes&quot;&gt;Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes&lt;/a&gt; over redirect: revert&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Faggot: moved Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes to Talk:Walter is a wanker 13/Minutes:&amp;#32;Walter is a wanker</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;moved &lt;a href=&quot;/go/Talk:Oversight_Board/Minutes&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes&quot;&gt;Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Talk:Walter_is_a_wanker_13/Minutes&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Walter is a wanker 13/Minutes (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Talk:Walter is a wanker 13/Minutes&lt;/a&gt;: Walter is a wanker&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Dfarning: moved Talk:Sugar Labs/Oversight Board/Minutes to Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes</title>
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		<updated>2009-09-01T14:10:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;moved &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Talk:Sugar_Labs/Oversight_Board/Minutes&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Sugar Labs/Oversight Board/Minutes (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Talk:Sugar Labs/Oversight Board/Minutes&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/go/Talk:Oversight_Board/Minutes&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes&quot;&gt;Talk:Oversight Board/Minutes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Dfarning: Talk:Sugar Labs/OversightBoard/Minutes moved to Talk:Sugar Labs/Oversight Board/Minutes</title>
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		<updated>2009-04-08T19:17:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Talk:Sugar_Labs/OversightBoard/Minutes&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Sugar Labs/OversightBoard/Minutes (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Talk:Sugar Labs/OversightBoard/Minutes&lt;/a&gt; moved to &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Talk:Sugar_Labs/Oversight_Board/Minutes&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Sugar Labs/Oversight Board/Minutes (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Talk:Sugar Labs/Oversight Board/Minutes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Dfarning</name></author>
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		<title>Walter: New page: ===Comments regarding the 1 August 2008 meeting ===  WRT--second server--  We have had an offer to host some of our infrastructure at OSL[1].  Is this something we want to follow up on?  W...</title>
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		<updated>2008-08-05T16:22:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;New page: ===Comments regarding the 1 August 2008 meeting ===  WRT--second server--  We have had an offer to host some of our infrastructure at OSL[1].  Is this something we want to follow up on?  W...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;===Comments regarding the 1 August 2008 meeting ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
WRT--second server--  We have had an offer to host some of our&lt;br /&gt;
infrastructure at OSL[1].  Is this something we want to follow up on?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
WRT--trade marks--  There appear to be two different reasons for&lt;br /&gt;
registering and defending trademarks.  1.  We want to be able to&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;project&amp;#039; the Sugar brand by encouraging &amp;#039;friends&amp;#039; to share and promote&lt;br /&gt;
our brand as a measure of quality.  2.  We want to be able to defend our&lt;br /&gt;
brand against enemies who would hijack the brand by (a) misusing the&lt;br /&gt;
name or (b) holding the name hostage.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At this point, we have no brand to defend;(  99% of the world knows&lt;br /&gt;
Sugar as the GUI for OLPC.  The general consensus of Open Source&lt;br /&gt;
projects is that registering a trademark is not worth the time or effort&lt;br /&gt;
at this point in a projects life cycle.  We should revisit the issue&lt;br /&gt;
again in six months.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
WRT--Sugar availability-- Getting Sugar into open source advocates hands&lt;br /&gt;
is critical.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One of the interesting metrics of projects is the &amp;#039;Contributor&lt;br /&gt;
Engagement Rate&amp;#039;.  I am defining CER as the percent of users who&lt;br /&gt;
actively contribute back to a project.  Theses contributions can be in&lt;br /&gt;
the form of word-of-mouth support, bug reports, bug fixes, and active&lt;br /&gt;
development among other contributions.  End user software such as&lt;br /&gt;
Firefox has a low CER, most people just want to use the browser.  As we&lt;br /&gt;
shift towards developer software the CER tends to increase.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We are facing a similar situation with the target of OLPC deployments.&lt;br /&gt;
It will be several years before the kids start contributing and the&lt;br /&gt;
educators have limited experience engaging in the open source process.&lt;br /&gt;
In the meantime, we can start priming the pump by engaging existing OSS&lt;br /&gt;
developers and users.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
WRT--Architect--  Designing the Sugar is not the problem.  The problem&lt;br /&gt;
is deciding on the designer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One approach is the BDFL.  But, I doubt that we could decide on a BD.&lt;br /&gt;
Another approach is the Apache consensus model[2].  We need to give the&lt;br /&gt;
oversight board the final authority and responsibility to plan Sugar&amp;#039;s&lt;br /&gt;
future.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The catch here will be selecting the initial oversight board to insure&lt;br /&gt;
everyone&amp;#039;s interest is represented.  A possibility is 2 OLPC&lt;br /&gt;
representatives, 2 RedHat representatives, 2 Sugar Labs representatives,&lt;br /&gt;
and 1 neutral third party.  Please note this is just a brainstorm.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
WRT--LiveCD--  SkoleLinux has a live cd.  I believe there was an attempt&lt;br /&gt;
to put Sugar on a live Ubuntu variant.  I think the developer chose&lt;br /&gt;
Xubuntu, for space reasons, and then hacked the installer to load Sugar&lt;br /&gt;
as the default.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The various derivative teams are getting _very_good_ at creating custom&lt;br /&gt;
spins and liveCDs.  If we can help get stable .deb and .rpm packages the&lt;br /&gt;
spins will follow shortly.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just some thoughts&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;from a 5 August 2008 email to the iaep list by dfarning&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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