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The Design team will be holding regular bi-weekly meetings on Mondays at 15:00 UTC on irc.freenode.net (channel: #sugar-meeting). The meeting is targeted to Sugar core and activity developers, but remains open to anyone interested. Its primary purpose is to open the design approach, making it more transparent and allowing the community to provide feedback on both current and upcoming features. Please add to the agenda below, join in with your ideas, or add them to the Discussion page. See IRC for information on getting there.

In general, discussion focuses on:

• high level design goals and ideas
• feedback and discussion of problems in the current design
• reviews of design proposals

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Please post discussion materials for the full community. Design Team/Proposals and Features are 2 good places for referencing design ideas.

The Sugar Labs Meetings calendar is available in a variety of formats at these links: .

Friday September 14 2018 - 12:00PM UTC

• https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Meetings/2018-09-15

Proposed agenda

• Restructuring the design team
• Working with the marketing team
• Design improvements(sugar desktop, sugar icons, "logo, website" etc)

Thursday September 21 2017 - 11 PM UTC

• http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-09-22

Post-meeting Discussion

According to Sugar Labs Code of Conduct "Sugar is a place for children to explore, learn, teach and reflect. Sugar Labs is a place where we all can explore, learn, teach and reflect. The same underlying principles that make Sugar great -discovery, collaboration, and reflection- are central to the way Sugar community operates." The Design team should not be an exemption. It should be composed of children, teachers, developers and non-developers as well. -- Laura

Disagree. There should be no requirement for any of the informal Sugar Labs teams to contain any specific representation. Only those truly interested in designing, and with experience in design, should be on a design team. Adding those without knowledge and communication skills in design is counter-productive. --Quozl (talk) 01:20, 23 September 2017 (EDT)

Pre-meeting Discussion

The design team is composed of designers who have made significant contributions to Sugar design. What members of the team agreed to this meeting time? Who will be attending? --Walter (talk) 11:24, 19 September 2017‎ (UTC)

Agreed. To my knowledge, no members agreed to this meeting time and none of them will be attending. --Quozl (talk) 21:24, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

This date/time is also the Jewish New Year, which makes it impossible for some community members to attend. --Walter (talk) 18:38, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

Proposed agenda

• Upgrading Sugar UI, defining this team/event main lines of action

Not a design issue. Please be more specific about what you want the design team to do. --Quozl (talk) 21:19, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

• Elimination of gender selection on first (welcome) screen

Not a design issue. Make a pull request for code review. --Quozl (talk) 21:19, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

• Proposal to get back Ignacio's patch so that users can modify their main icons

Not a design issue. Make a pull request for code review. --Quozl (talk) 21:19, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

Tuesday August 26th 2012 - 16:30 UTC

Proposed agenda

• Visual clue about secondary palette options mail-list thread Gonzalo
• Higher-resolution Journal thumbnails for Activities mail-list thread Walter
• Follow-up Home list view, hover highlight/click results in confusion for favourite icons: See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3147#comment:3 Frederick
• Follow-up "Examples" support for activities – using the ObjectChooser and/or also the Journal volumes bar to allow activities to provide access to an examples folder inside their bundles.mail-list thread tch
• Follow-up on lease expiry information display in My Settings -> About My Computer, mail-list thread, wiki proposal recent mockup Anish
• Follow-up on multi-selection and batch operations on Journal entries feature page mail-list thread
• Ongoing design review/testing/feedback of Touch features, patches available for testing Simon
• <Your agenda item here>

Tuesday August 14th 2012 - 16:30 UTC

Agenda

• Home list view, hover highlight/click results in confusion for favourite icons: See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3147#comment:3 Frederick
• "Examples" support for activities – using the ObjectChooser and/or also the Journal volumes bar to allow activities to provide access to an examples folder inside their bundles.mail-list thread tch
• Followup on lease expiry information display in My Settings -> About My Computer, mail-list thread, wiki proposal recent mockup Anish
• Followup on multi-selection and batch operations on Journal entries feature page mail-list thread
• Design review/testing/feedback of Touch features, patches available for testing Simon
• Visual clue about secondary palette options mail-list thread Gonzalo
• Higher-resolution Journal thumbnails for Activities mail-list thread Walter

Minutes

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-08-14T16:47:13.html

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-08-14T16:47:13

Tuesday August 7th 2012 - 16:30 UTC

Agenda

• Lease expiry information display in My Settings -> About My Computer, mail-list thread, wiki proposal. Anish
• Followup on multi-selection and batch operations on Journal entries feature page mail-list thread
• Home list view, hover highlight/click results in confusion for favourite icons: See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3147#comment:3 Frederick
• "Examples" support for activities – using the ObjectChooser and/or also the Journal volumes bar to allow activities to provide access to an examples folder inside their bundles.mail-list thread tch

Minutes

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-08-07T16:30:14.html

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-08-07T16:30:14

Tuesday July 31st 2012 - 16:30 UTC

Agenda

• "Examples" support for activities – using the ObjectChooser and/or also the Journal volumes bar to allow activities to provide access to an examples folder inside their bundles.mail-list thread tch
• Lease expiry information display in My Settings -> About My Computer, mail-list thread, wiki proposal. Anish
• Followup on multi-selection and batch operations on Journal entries feature page mail-list thread
• Home list view, hover highlight/click results in confusion for favourite icons: See http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3147#comment:3 Frederick

Minutes

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-07-31T16:30:26.html

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-07-31T16:30:26

Monday July 23rd 2012 - 14:30 UTC

Agenda

• Multi-selection and batch operations on Journal entries feature page mail-list thread
• Touch hardware support Activities, Sugar Shell, OSK.
• Re-assessment of text-to-speech engine options and in particular think about how we can improve upstream voices to cover more of our languages, mail-list thread. cjl
• "Examples" support for activities – using the ObjectChooser and/or also the Journal volumes bar to allow activities to provide access to an examples folder inside their bundles.mail-list thread tch
• Lease expiry information display in My Settings -> About My Computer, mail-list thread, wiki proposal. Anish

Minutes

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-07-23T14:31:15.html

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-07-23T14:31:15

Wednesday July 18th 2012 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Standard Help icon and toolbar position #3746, #3721, #3720, 3759
• Simple messages notification system
• Database support for 3G modem configuration
• Journal multi-select
• Touch hardware support Activities, Sugar Shell, OSK

Minutes

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-07-18T15:00:17.html

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2012-07-18T15:00:17

Monday October 31st 2011 - 15:00 UTC

(meeting postponed)

Agenda

• Write to Journal anytime might be incorporated in your work (JT4sugar)
  • both in Activity Frame palette, and as standard toolbar item where 'Keep' used to be
  • keyboard shortcut which would pop into activity description page
• Activities temporarily mounting directories in the volumes toolbar to provide material (Walter)
• 'real' help in all activities (define 'real')
  • a consistent shortcut / help button
  • localisation issues regarding any large quantities of Activity texts
• Review Design Team IAEP report http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-September/014080.html
• PDF export support for Browse (Patch)
  • Icon design, placement of icon
• Select some of our new standard toolbar icon designs for migration into sugar-artwork
• Touch UI integration proposals
• add agenda items here

Monday October 17th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• postponed
• Tidied up this Meeting page
• misc chat in #sugar-meeting

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2011-10-17#i_2697757

Monday October 3rd 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Memorize toolbar
• Design/Activity meetings proposal
• Powerd 'please confirm' screen

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-10-03T15:58:15 minutes

Monday September 19th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Memorize toolbar polishing
• Misc toolbar items

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-09-19T15:05:59 minutes

Monday September 5th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Browse tab designs
• Browse palette changes
• Empty /$HOME/Documents Journal message

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-09-05T15:03:01

Monday August 29th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Issue with transparency and cog badge for cloned activities
• Browse, always show at least one tab vs. taking up space in toolbar and having a small URL input field
• Misc toolbar icon tidy ups
• Save to Journal icons where text file type abbreviations is needed (Write, Labyrinth)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-08-29T15:02:10

Monday August 15th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• 0.94 feature list

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2011-08-15#i_2686952

Wednesday August 10th 2011 - 16:00 UTC

Agenda

• Journal/file-system input/output toolbar icon design (mainly related to Turtle Art)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2011-08-10#i_2686200

Wednesday August 3rd 2011 - 16:00 UTC

Agenda

• Activity toolbar standardisation (see Catalog)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2011-08-03#i_2683848

Sunday June 19th 2011 - 16:00 UTC

Agenda

• ~/Documents folder patch and a related topic showing remote objects (XS, other XOs) in the Journal (silbe)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2011-06-19#i_2675060

Sunday June 12th 2011 - 16:00 UTC

Agenda

• View source activity copy proposals (Walter)
• View sugar source proposals (Walter)
• Browse pdf export to Journal
• General import/export icon design

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-06-12T16:09:29
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-06-12T17:36:10

Sunday June 5th 2011 - 16:00 UTC

Agenda

• Discussion with Sascha regarding his proposals regarding Neighborhood design related to NetworkManager api support work
  • see email Subject: [DESIGN] NetworkManager / Neighborhood design changes

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-06-05T16:17:34

Sunday May 29th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Copy-to option: black and white mockup, ml discussion
• Reword warning in Browse when stopping while there are downloads happening in the background (#1508, thread on sugar-devel)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2011-05-29

Sunday April 17th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Proposal for adding a standard activity "About Dialog" (icarito)
• Discussion of extra metadata/files that could be good to add ABOUT/README/AUTHORS/MAINTAINER upstream git rep in activity.info (silbe)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2011-04-17#i_2658914

Sunday April 10th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Follow up on a standard tool icon for create-new/modify type Activity functionality (e.g. cog/spanner/scissors discussion) (erikos)
• Built-in Activity examples UI and/or root fs access (walterbender)
• Standard system icon use (re Gonzalo's email)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-04-10T14:41:44

Sunday March 27th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• Feedback for Record Activity toolbar rework. (garycmartin)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-03-27T15:04:42 minutes

Sunday March 20th 2011 - 15:00 UTC

Agenda

• A standard tool icon for create-new/modify type Activity functionality (e.g. for Memorize, Abacus, et al user customisation) (erikos)
  • use of a scissor (like editing an activity), or the gear like we use in 'view source'?
• Get rid of Alt-1 for taking screenshots (collides with some applications, e.g. irssi) (silbe)
• What date should the activities list view show for pre-installed activities? (OLPC#10487, patch discussion) (silbe)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-03-20T19:01:02
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-03-20T20:03:00

March 13th 2011

Agenda

• Replace Naming Alert: a) switch to Journal detail view b) option in the activity toolbar to do a description and tags (erikos)
  • discussed on 27 February and 20 February, when we agreed to prepare mockups for some of the ideas. These design mockups were reviewed today.

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-03-13T15:05:59

March 6th 2011

Agenda

• Housekeeping discussion (trying to keep realtime meeting agenda items on things that benefit from realtime)
  • Journal backup UI (Patch from Martin Abente, Patch from Sascha Silbe, Backup and Restore activities by Sascha Silbe) (silbe)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-03-06

February 27th 2011

Agenda

Discussed topics:

• Size issue with icons in Random Layout (Home View) (walterbender)
  • mock-ups
• Replace Naming Alert: a) switch to Journal detail view b) option in the activity toolbar to do a description and tags (erikos)
  • discussed last week, agreed to prepare mockups for some of the ideas.

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-02-27

February 20th 2011

Agenda

Discussed topics:

• Remove 'Keep' Button: Replace by 'copy to' functionality in the Journal (erikos)
  • The Notion of Keeping
  • Remove button and add 'Copy to >' functionality to the Frame palette for the activity. This preserves ready access from current activity, but minimizes unintentional copying. (FGrose)

    possible copy-to-journal icon

• CPU and memory resource indicator for the Frame (silbe)

  Features/Resource monitoring (action item)

• Replace Naming Alert: a) switch to Journal detail view b) option in the activity toolbar to do a description and tags (erikos)

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-02-20T16:30:07 minutes

February 13th 2011

Agenda

Discussed topics:

• Size issue with icons in Random Layout (Home View) (walterbender)
• Speaker frame device: pop up palette on left-click instead of toggling mute (silbe)
• Don't hide Register menu item upon successful registration (silbe)
• Journal entries on external media: Invalidate preview if the data file was changed? (silbe)
  • 'Watermark' the image with 'Changed'. (Even an old image may help identify the object.) (FGrose)

Followup discussion:

• Updating the Human Interface Guidelines

  A printable version can be prepared by selecting 'Printable version' in the 'Using the Wiki' section of the sidebar.

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2011-02-13T14:01:43 minutes

July 10th 2010

Agenda

• http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2010-July/029187.html

  Designs for the proposed Start new/Resume functionality in Home view.

Log

meeting log

August 16th 2009

Agenda

• Sugar 0.86 Design

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090816_0941.html log minutes

May 9th 2009

Agenda

• Sayamindu's dictionary dialog.

  See http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg04042.html

• Jameson's accelerators proposals.

  See Design_Team/Proposals#Keyboard_Action

• Printing proposal from several people.

  See Print Support, http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg03984.html, http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg03991.html

• Martin's clock proposal.

  See http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg03934.html

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090509_1013.html minutes

April 19th 2009

Agenda

We discussed design goals for the next release 0.86. Design mockups will be created in response to the high-level features listed below (potentially in advance of SugarCamp 2009 on May 16th), to further illustrate the design intent and allow for integration with the development schedule.

High-level feature recap:

• polish activity list in Home
• support filtering/searching via tags in Home
• add list views to groups/neighorhood
• make groups dynamic (like neighborhood)
• extend activity chat
• add overlay chat to groups/neighborhood
• design a bulletin-board _activity_
• remove management from activity list, ensure _all_ installed activities are in Journal
• new toolbar design

Concrete design/development tasks:

1. design mockups to make the frame more discoverable
2. design mockups to polish the new toolbars
3. Home list view: remove the date column and enable alphabetical sort. Label versions "Version x"
4. Design mockups for tagging/filtering/search within Home view
5. Draft changes to activity.info file to support tagging
6. Design mockups for overlay chat in groups/neighborhood (should also include revising the activity chat..which exists but not as earlier designs proposed)
7. Design mockups of bulletin board activity
8. Design mockups for list views in groups and neighborhood

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090419_0911.html

March 21st 2009

Agenda

• Discussion of the Home view and whether to abandon the notion of favorites for a single consolidated view
• See Design Team/Proposals.
• Unify look of web services

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090321_1009.html

March 10th 2009

Agenda

• Marketing Team

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090310_1100.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg03132.html

March 1st 2009

Agenda

• Continue discussion of revised, and thorough, mockups for overlay chat in activities.
  • ways in which this chat system can extend into the other zoom levels
  • short term and long term goals.
• Development roadmap and prioritize design activities for next build

Log

Logs: Design Team/Meetings/09.03.01

December 19th 2008

Agenda

• Continue discussion of revised, and thorough, mockups for overlay chat in activities.
  • ways in which this chat system can extend into the other zoom levels
  • short term and long term goals.

December 4th 2008

Agenda

• We'll focus on possibilities for overlay chat in activites, presenting both short term and long term ideas, and discuss how this could later be extended to the neighborhood.
• Overlay chat sketch (PDF)‎

Log

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2008-12-04#i_2382400

November 26th 2008

Agenda

We'd like to hold a meeting this week while the topics discussed at the recent SugarCamp are fresh in our minds. Though this is not part of the usual meeting cycle, I think it's important enough to merit an extra meeting. Due to Thanksgiving on Thursday, we'll hold it on Wednesday instead.

Short Term Roadmap Definition

To capitalize on the extremely valuable discussions at the recent SugarCamp in Cambridge, we'd like to take some time to define a rough feature roadmap for the Sugar OS within the OLPC 9.1 timeframe. As a starting point for this discussion, we should likely review the various design proposals presented on the last day of the conference.

• Groups
• Resuming activities from Home
• Enhancing the Journal
• Improving Toolbars
• Encouraging Naming/Tagging

Logs

http://meeting.laptop.org/sugar-meeting.20081126_1018.html

September 18th 2008

Agenda

Visual Clipboard API

For reference, please see the clipboard specification. For a more targeted list of features and goals, please see the clipboard planning page.

We had a fairly long discussion about this, which didn't seem to get too far. Fortunately, a follow-up between Marco and I clarified some points, and we agreed that it should be possible to implement the majority of the goals across the system using the "formats" allowed in the GTK protocols, and falling back to sane defaults when extra info isn't provided.

Some references:

• http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ch-NewInPyGTK2.2.html#sec-Clipboards
• http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ch-DragAndDrop.html
• http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ch-ManagingSelections.html

Advancing the Journal

I'd like to have a conversation regarding the current iteration of the Journal, future plans, and the steps we hope to take toward them in the next major release so we can scope our goals. The latest mockups (though slightly out of date) can be seen here.

Due to the lengthy clipboard discussion, we didn't hit this topic today. We'll pick it up first thing next week.

Icon reviews

We discussed three icons today.

Settings (control panel): By popular demand, a wrench was chosen as the base for this icon, though it was also proposed that a wrench and screwdriver could be clearer. It was agreed that the wrench is a simpler icon, and a more generic metaphor which could be used to represent "settings" throughout the system. A few visual tweaks (Trac #8198) made many happier with the wrench, but since this isn't a major change they can come post 8.2.

View Details (Journal): The old designs for this button closely resembled a play button (but with an open triangle, akin to a greater than (>) symbol), which some found confusing. The new proposal is an ellipsis [...] icon, to indicate the idea that more info is available, but omitted in the abbreviated list view. This works nicely within the [wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Journal new Journal designs], since the icons will occasionally appear within a string of icon-annotated text. All present agreed the latter was a better direction. This change could make 8.2.

Access Point: Recent experience reports have indicated that the removal of an identifier of the connected AP is frustrating. The proposal discussed is shown [1], which wraps the former AP icon (the circle) in "parenthesis" (meant to indicate radio signal). This retains the primitive circular shape of the current access points, but illustrates which is connected in a way which alludes to the wireless activity LED. The point was discussed that the other LED is actually more semantically correct, but not as suitable as an icon.

Additionally, these alternate designs were proposed, using antennae to make the purpose of the icons clearer. We may wish to elicit feedback about these alternatives from teachers and kids to see which convey the notion of wireless connectivity the best. The triangle proposed here was used once, and subsequently removed due to some distaste for the shape in this context, but it may still convey the idea better with the antenna. This change is strongly desired for 8.2.