Development Team/Meetings
Development Team Meetings
Who
The meeting is targeted to Sugar core and activity developers, but everyone interested is welcome to join. We try to open the development up a bit, make it more transparent and allow the community to participate easily.
Default Agenda
- Quick update about what we have been working on and eventually the problems we have run into.
- Discussion about the implementation details of tickets we are planning to work on. Figure out how to split up the work and who should be owning the various parts.
- Questions from activity authors about specific aspects of the platform and more in general on how to better integrate their activity in Sugar. Report about problems they run into.
- Help out new contributors to figure out where to start. Point out the tickets we need help with, discuss with them the implementation.
How to add to the agenda
Add the topics that you want to discuss during the week to the upcoming meeting. They will be collected during the week and seny out in the meeting announcement on Tuesday morning.
Upcoming Meetings
20th March 2018 21:00 UTC
- what we have been working on,
Previous Meetings
13th March 2018 21:00 UTC
relevance canary; are you reading this? the regular updates here will cease in another four weeks unless there is some feedback; updates will continue on sugar-devel@ mailing list.
6th March 2018 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- Music Blocks release, hosting. Reviewing patches. Replacement of Record activity. Porting to Six and Python 3. Porting activities to GTK+ 3 and Sugargame 1.2.
- port to Python 3 and Six
- expectations discussed, Q&A session, see summary and log.
- general business
- continuous integration, see summary and log.
27th February 2018 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- Bugs in Music Blocks, Speak, Memorize. Porting activities to GTK+ 3 and Sugargame 1.2.
- port to Python 3 and Six
- plans made and discussed, see summary and log.
- general business
- see summary and log.
20th February 2018 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- testing Sugar on Ubuntu 18.04, testing and design of Music Blocks.
14th January 2018 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- quashing Music Blocks bugs, preparing tasks for GSoC, project mining, clean up activity metadata format, moved more of developer.sugarlabs.org over to GitHub.
30th January 2018 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- review patches, review activity NumRush, port Letters and Physics to Sugargame 1.2, a contributors page for web site, Music Blocks planet, preparing new release, pitch visualisation, Clock activity user documentation, and creating tasks for GSoC.
16th January 2018 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- fix startup delay in Sugargame, add ticking Clock, and a music blocks planet project moderation portal.
- progress of GCI 2017
- productive and enriching, last day today, opportunity for new activity maintainers to release contributed work.
9th January 2018 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- patch reviews, patch tests, measure and clock activities, music blocks in browse, teaching humanitarian free and open source software.
- progress of GCI 2017
- GTK+ 3 conversions, documentation updates.
2nd January 2018 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- reviewing patches, updating translations,
- progress of GCI 2017
- GTK+ 3 conversions,
19th December 2017 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- testing Sugar 0.112 on Fedora 18 and Ubuntu 18.04, answering questions on Sugar 0.112 release, a lot of bug fixes being reviewed.
- progress of GCI 2017
- students are starting to dig deeper, documentation for sugar-live-build has come together, some GTK+ 3 porting tasks coming up.
12th December 2017 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- Walter has been administering GCI 2017, and working on Music Blocks and Turtle Blocks. James has been reviewing pull requests, checking licensing, testing Sugar on Ubuntu 18.04 beta, releasing Speak-55 and Read-118.1, and fixed a Paint activity empty canvas.
- progress of GCI 2017
- Almost 400 students, how to make a pull request, some solid contributions, some new activities.
- cross-platform development
- There are broken JavaScript activities that don't run on Sugar desktop. Contributions are being wasted, and opportunity lost. We had a Cross-Platform environment. We have attracted JavaScript Web developers instead of JavaScript Cross-Platform developers. We need Cross-Platform developers to merge the diverged libraries, and apply Cross-Platform practices to both libraries and activities.
5th December 2017 22:00 UTC
Only one developer was available, so the meeting did not happen.
28th November 2017 22:00 UTC
Only one developer was available, so the meeting did not happen.
21st November 2017 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- Abdul has been working on an activity for Sugarizer. Walter has been working on Google Code-in preparation and released Music Blocks 2.2. James has been testing Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic in a VM, Fedora 27 SoaS on Raspberry Pi, and plans to write guidance for pull requests by GCI contestants.
14th November 2017 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- About 308 GCI tasks have been defined privately by the mentors, Music Blocks source code has been prepared for GCI, Sugar Software Update has been tested; a rogue Browse-157.4 bundle was found, several GitHub issues cleaned in preparation for GCI.
7th November 2017 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- preparing for GCI, merged several translation pull requests, began looking into why Sugar POT file is generated differently, released and tested Browse 201.3 native, reviewed Paraguay's build of sugar, reviewed Arch Linux packaging of Sugar, thinking of updating a beginners guide, merging www-sugar, and Music Blocks.
31st October 2017 21:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- nothing in particular.
- how to encourage testing of Fedora packagers' work
- Thomas and Frederick found fail-to-start problems in Fedora 27, as the Sugar and Browse packages had not been tested at all, so we all need to test the work of our downstream packagers, and help them where possible.
24th October 2017 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- updating examples and testing of Music Blocks, testing new WebKit GTK+ with Browse, looking for source code commits for the FindWords-3.1 activity, and releasing MusicKeyboard-11.
17th October 2017 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- what we have been working on
- features in Music Blocks, assessing GTK+ 3 porting, preparing for and merging translations,
- impact of GTK+ 2 removal in Fedora and Debian
- GTK+ is a library, see GTK+ and GTK+, GTK+ 3 is incompatible with GTK+ 2, many activities for Sugar depend on GTK+ 2, GTK+ 2 is scheduled for removal in Fedora 28 and in Debian Buster, removal already starting in Debian, bad user experience with Browse and activities.sugarlabs.org is non-starting activities, all Fructose activities are converted, Labyrinth is of interest to OLPC and has an upstream port, Record is of interest to OLPC and has an in-progress port at https://github.com/quozl/record-activity/tree/gtk3, Moon is of interest to OLPC and has a JavaScript port, GCI will have porting tasks.
10th October 2017 22:00 UTC
Only one developer was available, so the meeting did not happen.
Topics:
- post-release 0.112 review
- no test reports received.
- what we have been working on
- new gst-plugins-espeak, contributors list, releasing, testing 0.112, font size in Terminal, bugs in gst-plugins-espeak.
Report was made by mail.
3rd October 2017 22:00 UTC
Only one developer was available, so the meeting did not happen.
Topics:
- progress of testing 0.111
- going well, and a bootable build is available.
- merging any translations
- no new translations, so no need for merge.
- readiness for 0.112
- release notes are complete, nothing is blocking release on 9th October.
- what we have been working on
- Memorize and Speak activities do fail to start on Ubuntu 17.04 Artful due to default voice missing from espeak, since fixed in gst-plugins-espeak. sugar-docs has been updated for using sugar-live-build as a development environment, and remove sugar-build. The AbiWord fix for #4915 Write activity flicker has been accepted by Ubuntu and Debian, and has tested fine in those distributions. Also on GitHub have been commits in embedded Music Blocks, embedded Turtle Blocks, Help, and ImageViewer.
Report was made by mail.
26 September 2017 22:00 UTC
Topics:
- progress of testing 0.111
- some testing is being done, but more testing would be helpful, see testing 0.111,
- merging latest translations
- asked translators mailing list, no new translations made, strings for save-as feature are new, some Music Blocks strings changed too,
- readiness for 0.112
- some time before translations must be in per schedule, release process well understood and should not take long, possibility of a test image,
- what we have been working on
- bug #4915 ("Write redraws excessively - heats my lap") the AbiWord flicker, a fix is available, but upstream wants it also fixed on Wayland, though Ubuntu has taken it, applying the fix is straightfoward; release notes are to include Turtle Blocks porting, and therefore other activities (done, see 0.112#Notes), Turtle Blocks 216 for upload (done), and a test image is nearly complete, which can be a replacement for sugar-build, see Sugar Live Build.
19 September 2017 21:00 UTC
Topics:
- Release Manager
- We ack'd James Cameron in his role as release manager for 0.112.
- Community Standards
- We reiterated the importance of civil behavior and the necessity to work with the community, not unilaterally. We also reviewed the mechanisms we use for pull requests, reviews, and merging.
- 0.112 release testing
- We discussed 0.112/Testing
- Version numbering
- We agreed to investigate the possibility of switching to 113 for the next release (a monotonic numbering system).
- ALSOv3
- We agreed to work with SCG to do the ground work necessary to get ALSOv3 launched.
30 October 2010 22:00 UTC
Not discussed:
- Settle down patch submitting workflow:
- email based workflow as a primarily model (check other FOSS projects to gather all existed experience) alsroot 07:35, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
- write an email-bot/trac-plugin to make an email<->trac sync. Will be useful, e.g., for non-developers who track bugs status and to let people know the current status in most convenient way. All emails, w/ ticket set, will be posted to bugs.sl.o and any comments(and patches) to bugs.sl.o, to tickets w/ previously sent patches, will be emailed. alsroot 07:35, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
- Requirement to use pylint/pep8 in git pre-commit:
- sugar-lint, because it is a standalone project and can be used as-is also, e.g., for activities (i.e., as unified lint tool within sugar doers) alsroot 07:39, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
- Increase a level of trust within core team, make patch reviewing workflow more clear:
- Any committer, to a particular core project, might be a reviewer (we either should trust all these people or drop them from committer list) alsroot 07:59, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
- To accept regular (reviewer decides whether patches are regular or not, of course, better to discuss it with other committers if there are doubts) patches, only one reviewer is needed alsroot 07:59, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
- Non-regular patches should be formed in Features. These patches might take several tens of K. This is by design; that it is hard not only to develop, but also to review and it should involve several committers for a reasonable amount of time. alsroot 09:28, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
- Review process should not include debates about coding style, if coding style conforms to lint checks and Hacking Policy (if it has unequivocal statements, needs to be rechecked), it should be applied alsroot 09:33, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
- Purism is good but there is no need to achieve it by single patch, it might be changed in post-commit patches if second reviewer (e.g., looking to the patch thread on mailing list) found an issue in already commited code. alsroot 13:39, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
- officially dropping support for 0.86? (e.g. #1838)
- do we need to discuss thing like that on Development Team meeting, is it a more appropriate task for Deployment and Platform teams? alsroot 07:59, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
- big (and small) ideas for 0.92 --Walter 13:17, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
- Support isolated start of glucose components. In that case, merge sugar-base to sugar-toolkit (patches [yet] don't implement it but import sugar-base from sugar-toolkit) to have API that will be used as a single access point to sugar core functionality for activities. alsroot 08:12, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
Wednesday 30 June 2010 13:00 UTC
- Introduction: the release cycle approach
- Define the overall goal for 0.90
- Review processes (review, Feature)
- Open positions (development team, design team, testing team)
Monday 22 March 2010 14:00 UTC
- Welcome newcomers
- 0.88 Release: hard code freeze, final release, 0.88.1
Monday 8 March 2010 14:00 UTC
- backport SL#1787 to 0.86, push out + announce new release
- 0.88 Release: bug database cleanup, code review, stabilization, etc
Monday 22 February 2010 14:00 UTC
- 0.88 Release: bug database cleanup, fix bugs, etc
- Activity Team: Move to new toolbar
Monday 8 February 2010 14:00 UTC
Logs
Topics
- State of 0.88 release
2009 Meetings
Thursday 10 September 2009 14:00 UTC
Logs
Development Team/Meetings/Logs/September 10 2009
Topics
- Improving testing, triaging and bugfixing
- test plans
- testing meetings
- triaging
- Fructose Activities: in/out
Tuesday 1st September 2009 16:00 UTC
Logs
Development Team/Meetings/Logs/September 01 2009
Topics
Release process
- Sascha: Schedule too tight for GSoC projects, no time for the review process.
- Sascha: i think the release process is fine so far. code review could be improved, but we're already on it.
- Tomeu: we have one pending feature freeze exceptions: Hamilton Chua has proposed that we merge his code for registering with a school server. It has already one +1, it needs one more.
- Gary: feature freeze seemed a little 'slushy' this time, we still need to merge the new toolbars for some activities in Sucrose.
- Aleksey: we missed the chance of having library.sl.o (or so) in 0.86 to share .xol/jobjects -- I think the problem is that we don't have an engineering committee. Aleksey will restart discussion on this in the mailing list.
- Ben: the development mailing list is the engineering committee. I'm just trying to avoid the creation of more unnecessary committees, meeting, and IRC traffic.
Stabilization
- Gary: window layering bugs in our metacity usage block testing to some point
- Tomeu: we'll have to go back to matchbox if we cannot fix that
- Sascha: Issues with the Alt key
- Ben: I think the most helpful thing would be to release up-to-date emulation images.
- Simon: we need to organize the bug work: hold triaging sessions, fix bugs and produce images that people can test.
- Ben: I think it should be a high priority for all bugs in trac to be correctly prioritized and targeted.
- Ben: IMHO, our target should be "ready for deployment by OLPC to hundreds of thousands of children on the XO-1.5".
- Simon: I would say - we need to propose a build on the ml and ask for testing
- Tomeu: so we should update the rpms, several fixes landed since the last ones. I will do it tomorrow.
- Thomas: I can help here via vmware and usb/sd testing have f12 edu spin on sd now
- Simon: I will work with Gary on toolbars
- Rafael: I'll help with testing, having the emulation images...
- Ben: I think an official proclamation of a "Bug Hunt" on the mailing list would help, once we are ready. Maybe with periodic updates as to who has discovered the most bugs, and who has killed the most? Almost like a competition.
- Sascha: how about the doing a bug hunt contest and the winner gets their favourite feature in? ;)
- Sebastian: one thing I'd like to raise is that we might need immediate packaging after 0.86 is out (since we might otherwise conflict with F12's feature freeze)
Journal view extensions
- Aleksey: would be extensions like the cp sections are and bundled like activities
- Aleksey: deploy extensions like from ASLO, at the end
- Benjamin: insecure, frame devices and control panel plugins are not designed to be easily modified, because they have tremendous system access.
- Sascha: so what's the advantage of Journal plugins/extensions of activities interfacing directly with the data store?
- Tomeu: time ran out, let's discuss code review and journal view extensions to the next week meeting
28th August 2009
Logs
Development Team/Meetings/Logs/August 28 2009
Topics
- Gonzalo Chevarria presented the project on which he works: http://cixosfia.libreusmp.org/
- CIXOS-FIA is currently composed by 16 people and is organized in these groups: Web development, Python development, XO support, Volunteers and Logistics.
- This group wants to work together in improving Sugar with other similar groups.
- Has been proposed the creation of a mailing list to be used for development issues in spanish: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-desarrollo
- A report about usage of the XO in Peru is going to be published very soon, issues will be reported to the OLPC and Sugar Labs bug trackers.
2 July 2009
18 June 2009
Thursday May 21 2009 - 16.15 (UTC)
Topics
- Jeff Elkner will present the Sugar Labs, DC project: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-May/005689.html
- Packaging subteam, re:http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg04254.html
Thursday May 21 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
Development Team/Meetings/Logs/May 21 2009
Topics
0.86 roadmap discussion
Thursday February 26 2009 - 16.00 (UTC)
Topics
a) Bug review. What bugs are hot in the 0.84 release?
Thursday February 19 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
Summary: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.20090219_0909.html
Transcript: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090219_0909.html
Thursday January 22 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090122_0921.html
Topics
a) February the 13th is the due date for our Sucrose 0.83 Release Candidate 1 (Development Team/Release/Roadmap#Schedule). What needs to happen in the next weeks to get there?
b) Update Development Team/TODO list
c) Auto-authentication for Browse when visiting web-based tools on the XS it has registered to (guest speaker Martin Langhoff)
d) What about the activity updater?
Thursday January 15 2009 - 15.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090115_1006.html
Topics
a) Feature freeze: are we ready? what next?
b) update TODO list
c) How long to support "old" versions of Sugar (Debian lenny might ship 0.82)
2008 Meetings
Thursday December 11 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20081211_0903.html
Topics
a) Schedule: adjust feature freeze
b) create a short term TODO list of items (i.e. collaboration rock) and find owners and priorities
c) developer items for the getting involved page (things/ideas that someone that have a bit of free time can help with, should be doable in a two weeks time frame)
d) gitorious (which tags to use, proper naming policies etc)
e) trac (add the needed milestones...)
Thursday November 13 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting.log.20081113_0945.html
Topics
we want to get some items together for the Sugar Workshop on Saturday the 15th Nov in Paris. Collect a set of bugs that people can fix or other item they can work on during that day. And we should collect some material that Daniel can use to make an introduction (if he has not done so yet).
- Sugar version being used during the workshop
- Introduction material
Thursday November 06 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar-meeting-Nov-06-2008.log
Topics
a) NM 07: patch for the Fedora 10 and Ubuntu rpm will be ready soon
b) icon cache:
- look into reusing the data from an old cache file (benzea)
- look into scaling down the images
- fix it up so it does not import GTK+ (or at least does not fail)
- testing
- get the code into normal builds
c) activity maintainers
- right down detailed steps to release a module (erikos)
- come up with a proposal for SL infra (marco)
- get more activity authors to next meeting! Pleas join discussing with Gary was very helpful today.
Thursday October 16 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar-meeting-Oct-16-2008.log
Topics
We will do another iteration on the Roadmap and will discuss API policy (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-October/009199.html) and changes.
Thursday October 9 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar-meeting-Oct-09-2008.log
Topics
Roadmap
- update and discuss the existing concrete items (i.e. icon cache)
Thursday September 25 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar-meeting-Sep-25-2008.log
Topics
Form the Sugar Labs Bugsquad
At this meeting we want to form the Sugar Labs Bugsquad, the Quality Assurance (QA) team for Sugar. The squad keeps track of current bugs in the sugar software and try to make sure that major bugs do not go unnoticed by developers. You do not need any programming knowledge to be in the Bugsquad; in fact it is a great way to return something to the Sugar community if you cannot program.
The squad is modelled on the gnome bugsquad: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/bugsquad/
More info about the sugar bugsquad can be found at BugSquad
Questions
- why a bugsquad?
- why outside of olpc?
- do we need a special mailing list (bugsquad@sugarlabs.org)?
- do we need a special irc channel for the squad (#sugar-bugsquad)?
- do we want a tracker at sugarlabs.org to keep track of bugs in non-olpc distributions (debian, fedora ...)?
- How about bug days (a gathering on irc to find bugs and clean out the bug database) gnome-bug-days ?
Thursday September 18 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
Topics
Roadmap
- keep on reviewing the list we have at Development Team/Release/Roadmap/0.84#Goals
- assigned owners and peers to all groups
- started to assign owners to each feature
You can find the orphaned items under Unassigned in each section. Give them a home!
Thursday September 11 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
Topics
Roadmap
- keep on reviewing the list we have at Development Team/Release/Roadmap/0.84#Goals
Sugarbot
sugarbot is a GUI automation utility for the OLPC Project's Sugar GUI. It provides functionality for developers to write tests for their Activities, and monitor those tests in a similar manner to unit-tests. sugarbot supports continuous integration with buildbot, so that multiple platforms and host configurations may be tested seamlessly.
- What does that mean? OLPC developers now have a GUI automation environment that they can use to perform regression testing on their Activities. This enhances code reliability, and lets developers spend more time developing, and less time bug-testing and bug-hunting.
- Where can I see sugarbot in action? A screencast of Sugarbot is available here
- Where can I get sugarbot? Sugarbot's package and documentation is available here
action items:
- get sugarbot building/running into sugar-jhbuild
- get it to work on the buildbot
Mailing Lists
- devel-announce? activities-devel? @sugarlabs or @laptop?
Thursday August 28 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
Topics
Update (Thrilling news of this week)
Roadmap
- review the list we have at Development Team/Release/Roadmap/0.84#Goals
- do we finally agree on a 6 months cycle?
Status of bugfixing
Introducing the new developers
Thursday August 21 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
Topics
Update (Thrilling news of this week)
No special news this week
Roadmap
What do we want to do for Development Team/Release/Roadmap/0.84 ?
- we aim for a 6 months cycle (another week to set this in stone)
- please add your points to this page Development Team/Release/Roadmap/0.84#Goals - we want to discuss these next week
Status of bugfixing
- which bugs rest for 0.82
- marco will review the open reviews and give his opinion about landing in 8.2
- erikos has to do 7480 and 7871
- everyone should work on blockers, until 8/27 we can push fixes we have code already for (even though they are high and no blockers) if we get marcopg, cscott, or micahel to okay them. michael is happy if other bugs get fixed; he just don't want other bugs getting fixed at the expense of the blockers (more details will follow in another email).
- stable releases: 0.82.1 will be a stable coordinated release (which will help to resynchronise translations), we will rely on non-coordinated module releases until then, the packages for the non-coordinated releases should be announced on the mailing list that packagers can step in and do the packaging work for their distributions
- release date for 0.8.2 will probably be September the 17th (more details from michael)
- release date for 0.82.1 will probably be September the 5th (more details in another email)
Introducing the new developers
Control panel updater
Design, consequences, profit! We will have guest speaker Scott coming in to talk about the sugar-control-update module.
Thursday August 14 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)
Logs
Topics
Update
Roadmap
Status of bugfixing
Introducing the new developers
Better activity development communication
including activity development mailing list
Control panel updater
Implications for activity developers: How to publish releases
Thursday July 31 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar_meeting_31_07_2008.log
Topics
Update
The usual bugfixing for the upcoming release. Morgs and david spoke with the ubuntu and debian people in order to get the packaging processes going so potential developers have something to look at. Walter has been in discussion with GNOME and a few education groups - more on those topics in tomorrows sugarlabs meeting: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-July/007508.html
Roadmap
action items:
- triage squad
- testing team
- keep trac under control so that we have a good view of where we are
- make sure to get the new release in Fedora
- write down the points for the 9.1 release
Status of bugfixing
we need for more testing!
Introducing the new developers
Maybe next week :)
Move meeting to an earlier time
The next meeting will be at 14.00 UTC
Proposal: Mailing list for activity developers
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-July/007503.html
- Will be discussed next week or via the mailing lists --Morgs 19:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Activity Update system in control panel
Implications for activity developers: How to publish releases
- Will be discussed next week or via the mailing lists --Morgs 19:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Thursday July 24 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~tomeu/sugar_meeting_24_07_2008.log
Attending
Topics
Update
People is working on bugs, Marco focused on Browse, he's back full time in the team. Tomeu on miscellanea bugs, worked with Riccardo Lucchese on performance (he's interning in OLPC this summer). Sayamindu is planning future work on the Read and Terminal activities.
Change in the translation process
After changes that break the string freeze get into git, the development team should notify the localization list, so the localization team can update Pootle.
There are some worries about the frequent string freeze breaks, we hope translators will understand and things will get better for the next release.
Roadmap
David Farning suggested that some preliminary work happened on identifying the areas that will be worked on in the next releases. Benjamin Schwartz argued that people should focus completely on the current release instead, and let future planning for later.
Three big areas of work that is sorely needed by deployments are collaboration, performance and datastore. How can we improve stability at the same time?
Benjamin thinks that we should focus for two weeks on planning, and close all questions then.
Walter wants to see documents about the architecture of the datastore and collaboration. Thinks that we should aim for 3 months of design work that end up on a roadmap.
Status of bugfixing
Two major surprises lately: arabic support and provisions for operating with full NAND.
Arabic support includes taking in account RTL in the UI layout, may not land in 8.2.0.
Being resilient to NAND full situations is very important in Uruguay, where machines that get full cannot boot until are reflashed. Several options are open here and we are trying to reach consensus.
Introducing the new developers
No new developers :( Maybe next week!
Thursday July 17 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar_meeting_17_07_2008.log
Attending
Topics
The Meeting itself
First we discussed how we can make the meeting even better. We want to have a fixed set of points we want to discuss each meeting.
- update of the week (e.g. process changes)
- roadmap
- what are the latest bugs where can we need help on
- introduction of new developers
Additionally we have topics that can be decided by the developers. These can be added by the developers during the week. The complete process is described here: Development Team/Meetings#How_to_add_topics
The mails: You can count on receiving these mails in the sugar mailing list.
- monday: reminder to add_topics
- thursday: meeting reminder
- thursday: minutes from the meeting
Creative commons licensing functionality in the journal
- http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creative_Commons
- how to get that feature in:
- eben will make mockup by Aug 15 (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7551)
- starting Aug 15 paulproteus will port the xisting UI to Eben's mockup.
- then he will send his code for review: Development Team/Code Review#Patch_submission
- after review the feature can be included
- We will meet for a status update on the cc the 14th of August in the sugar dev meeting
Thursday July 10 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
Attending
Topics
Topic
Thursday July 03 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
Attending
Topics
What let's left for the upcoming release
Development Team/Release/Roadmap#Schedule
Changes in the review process
Development Team/Code Review#Patch_submission
Thursday June 12 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar_meeting_Jun_12_2008.log
Attending
Topics
Update on the status of the ongoing features
Development Team/Release/Roadmap#New_features
How to announce a new release of an activity best?
unmadindu looked into remora http://wiki.mozilla.org/Update:Remora. he noted that it's not well documented, and the look and feel needs to be changed significantly (it's primarily written for addons.mozilla.org), and we would need some PHP dev to modify it for our work
Conclusion: Someone needs to step in and do it if he/she has time!
Providing test plans along releases
m_stone and QA are requesting that each release we get in the stable build is associated with a set of tests that they need to perform to verify that stuff works as expected.
Basically we make mandatory to have a trac item associated with each news in the changelog and each trac item needs to have a testcase in it. We could use some keyword in the comment to mark it so that it can be extracted automatically. We need a ticket for each feature or fix - each item in the news basically.
Documentation efforts for Sugar API and creating sugar activities
fanwar's overall approach: One set of docs for high level functional design of sugar (Human Interface Guidelines), one set for how to's (almanac - which is what I'm working on), one set of apis from the actual code (which will be extracted through pydocs) and also some basic startup docs like those by Christoph in olpc austria.
For the moment the place where the documentation can be found is: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar-api-doc
fanwar requests: In the meantime, everyone continues to document code using pydocs and also please contribute to the almanac wiki yourselves.
Thursday June 05 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar_meeting_Jun_05_2008.log
Attending
too many to name :)
Topics
How can we improve the review process?
action item: unmadindu/cjb setup review board http://www.review-board.org/
1. Break your projects into small pieces that can be submitted for review independently. Submit for review as early as possible, by mailing list or review-board site or whatever other mechanism.
More specific:
- preferred way if possible: 1. code a small part, 2. submit to review, 3. get into joyride, 4. repeat
- not talking about: 1. code everything, 2. split in patches, 3. submit
2. If you want testing before review, make a topic build.
3. Some new tools will be needed to make topic builds easier to make. (.img, .rpm, and .deb)
Bundlebuilder: how to create the source tarballs best to not include unintentional files.
We agreed to use an explicit MANIFEST but to provide tools to build it automatically. homunqlus is going to work on a patch for this. We need to try and freeze bundlebuilder to be able to include Develop in 8.2.
How to announce a new release of an activity best?
Deferred to next week meeting
Thursday April 17 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~morgan/sugar_meeting_Apr_17.log
Attending
Topics
- Collaborative activities
- The collaboration framework
- Collaboration Central
- Adding collaboration to activities
- Upgrading to the new Presence Service API in Update.1
- API improvements required? (buddy<->handle tracking, reducing boilerplate code...)
- New proposed collaboration API
- Cerebro#Collaboration
- other features? (now is a good time to add them)
Tuesday April 08 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/meeting_logs/sugar_meeting_Apr_08.log
Attending
eben, homunq, garycmartin, tomeu, bemasc, daf, morgs, erikos
Topics
- discuss eben's sugar todo list: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-April/004909.html
- We found out that eben's list is basically not controversial and that we 'only' need to prioritize the topics :p
- action item: prioritize the topics
- Expose an avatar property for buddies in the ps
- daf stated that we have specific support for avatars in Gabble, which uses hashes, and therefore would reduce overhead.
- We found out that eben's list is basically not controversial and that we 'only' need to prioritize the topics :p
- AlertBox for use with palettes/notifications
- mockup: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Specifications/Object_Transfers#Preliminary_Mockups
- sumup:
- an object transfer error occurs.
- create a new palette and embed an alertbox in it.
- create a notification object.
- attach the new alert palette to both the notification and the transfer object in the frame.
- Then, upon the cancel/retry button callback: make sure that the notification is gone, reattach the old palette, take the appropriate action.
- action items:
- a) create an AlertBox class (probably a subclass of alert or make alert more generic)
- b) add support for more complex layout to Palette class (ability to set the content before and/or after the menu independently)
- Activity bundle format, autoupdate
- Homunq has a proposal up at Talk:Activity_bundles#Proposals_for_update
- two proposals: a philosophical one about where we want to get to, including activity threading with forks, and an implementation one, which only covers activities as long as the signing key stays the same.
- Philosophically:
- Eben says any change of key should count as a different activity
- Homunq argues that still grouping them in the UI will allow tighter control of keys, and that the UI can give appropriate guidance on secure practices.
- Agree to disagree for now, because implementation is not urgent.
- Implementation Signatures
- morgs has minor comment about hash format (hex instead of base64, for easier comparison
- no further comments
- homunq will start work this week
- unresolved issue: how to store private key for signing an activity?
- we need to talk to m_stone .
Tuesday April 01 2008 - 17.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/sugar_meeting_Apr_01.log
Attending
bemasc, homunq, tomeu, bertf, m_stone, garycmartin, erikos, eben, cjb
Topics
- Sugar-Control-Panel - timezone
- handle root permissions for settings like timezone (can this be done in the background)
- What about using PolicyKit made it's way in latest Gnome Gnome 2.22 for this?
- handle root permissions for settings like timezone (can this be done in the background)
- Sugar-Control-Panel - language
- how to generate the list of languages and their translation best)
- desired output: current locale, language in language itself, territory
- example: ingles/english, frances/francais, aleman/deutsch
- do we make the same for the territory than what we do for the language?
Tuesday March 25 2008
("TTL-meeting") exceptional time: 15.00 (UTC)
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/sugar_meeting_Mar_25.log
Attending
Arjun Sarwal
Hemant Goyal
Assim Deodia
Alex Escalona (vergueishon on olpc here and here)
eben, tomeu, erikos
Topics
- Meetings in #olpc-meeting
- Announce the meetings here: Meeting
- action: send note about that to #devel-ml, #sugar-ml
- TTS
- Interfacing with Sugar
- Unitarian interface
- Screen readers, TTS engines, and any other text grabbing UI addons (Could that mean tty output, ssh ;)) should all be able to use the same interface.
- Discuss how orca can possibly be used in the sugar environment. (speech-dispatcher as a speech-synth backend is supported by orca)
- Discussion about speech-dispatcher, and how it can be used to interface with sugar activities.
- Discuss some UI considerations for speech synthesis configuration management in Sugar Control Panel.
- Discuss the magic button for speech synthesis.
- Unitarian interface
- Support for multiple languages
- How should the process for including a new language work
- (This is copied up from the last meeting)
- santhosh and HFactor present Dhvani, a text-to-speech system for indian languages.
- santhosh has already worked into integrating Dhvani into Speech Dispatcher.
- Dhvani will need to be packaged in Fedora.
- santhosh and HFactor present Dhvani, a text-to-speech system for indian languages.
- Performance
- Ram use of any daemons.
- Fundamental CPU speed limitations(real time TTS?).
- TTS as accessibility vs. TTS as a reading tutor.
- Standardized bells.
- Interfacing with Sugar
- Short Term Implementation Plans
- Discussing feasibility of speech-dispatcher for the XO
- Discussion of speech-dispatcher python API
- Discussion of speech-dispatcher sugar configuration management
- UI elements of speech synthesis control panel
- Working on something like sugar.speech?
- performance analysis of speech dispatcher for the XO
- Long Term Plans
- Development of Guidelines for using speech synthesis for developing self-voicing activities.
- Expansion of ideas list and encouraging community developers to incorporate speech synthesis in their activities.
- Streamlining speech synthesis projects in OLPC community
- Community involvement/experimentation to improve quality of synthesized voice, as well as "localization" efforts to make speech sounds more natural-sounding relative to the user
- Literacy Project
- What points do we want to address?
- Dictionary and eBook Projects
- Teaching Tools that use speech synthesis
- Tools for helping students learn new languages, improve their language skills
- What points do we want to address?
- Links
Tuesday March 18 2008 ("big")
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/sugar_meeting_Mar_18.log
Attending
tomeu, bertf, erikos, eben, HFactor, shikhar, santhosh
Topics
Update on everybody's work
- Redesign Home view (tomeu)
- Eben has been contributing code to match the UI design.
- Working now on visual notification for activity launch.
- Anybody interested can build and run inside jhbuild the following modules:
- Control Panel (erikos)
- Working now on providing a fade-out look around the dialog. Investigating the new matchbox that contains much improved composition support.
- Develop (homunq): can't attend the meeting but check it out. Search/replace is a mess but anything else, go ahead and start posting bugs. http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=activities/develop;a=summary . To resume editing on the activity bundles it creates, you need to use the DoppelJournal activity (included in the git tree), which is a renamed copy of journal with the relevant bug fixed. Homunq 09:43, 18 March 2008 (EDT) "git clone git://dev.laptop.org/activities/develop"
- santhosh and HFactor present Dhvani, a text-to-speech system for indian languages.
- santhosh has already worked into integrating Dhvani into Speech Dispatcher.
- Dhvani will need to be packaged in Fedora.
- Would be good to have a meeting next week with all the people interested in TTS.
Tuesday March 11 2008 ("small")
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/sugar_meeting_Mar_11.log
Attending
garycmartin, eben, benzea, cjb, homunq, ChristophD, erikos
Topics
- meeting reminder
- people can put topics on the wiki until Tuesday morning
- erikos will send a message including these topics to the sugar-ml so more people read the topics and can join if it sounds interesting
- sugar-control-panel
- development: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/erikos/sugar;a=shortlog;h=controlpanel
- sugar-control-panel an activity?
- Eben made an interesting remark: The new design for the Journal supports actions that aren't "activities" so you are able to keep record of changes you made with the control panel (e.g. you changed your colors today").
- Lots of current activities don't have a bundle .xo for download on the Wiki
- this got special attention due to the build core changes
- how do we best address this issue?
- encourage the activity authors to upload bundles and update the links on the wiki or provide a mechanism in bundlebuilder or at another place?
Tuesday March 4 2008 ("big")
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/sugar_meeting_Mar_04.log
Attending
- person, task, where
- Homunq, Develop, Guatemala (UTC-6)
- morgs, presence, ZA
- bertf, Activities/Etoys, Germany
- erikos
- tomeu
- eben
- garycmartin
Topics
- Latest redesign mockups
- http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs
- new developments can be tracked at: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/tomeu/sugar;a=summary
- Sugar Control Panel (GUI)
- mockup:
- mockup:
- Changes to sugar requested for Develop Homunq 11:29, 4 March 2008 (EST)
- action item: create tickets for "Journal should let activity bundles be started in Develop". Done: <trac>6639</trac>. Also discussed: <trac>4365</trac>, <trac>6557</trac>, and <trac>2892</trac>.
- Speech synthesis: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-March/004411.html
- action item: eben reply to the thread
- New LiveCD with updated sugar packages: http://meta.fuentelibre.org/trac/wiki/LiveCD
- hardy packages + xubuntu in spanish
- "Faster" branch speedups -- status? Anyone planning on working on these?
- it is on the latest sugar roadmap so we want to work on it
- action item: Michael can you comment on what is needed here regarding kernel changes http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/2276
Tuesday February 26 2008 ("small")
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~morgan/sugar_meeting_Feb_26.log
Attending
tomeu, erikos, garycmartin, morgs
Topics
- eben's notes about the redesign wiki.laptop.org/go/Design
- does the journal belongs into the shell or is it an activity, Eben?
- added a journal as core metaphor mock-up image --garycmartin 1:49, 29 February 2008
- presence service
- scalability issues for update.1
- morgs does want to look into groups
- groups would work like friending, there would be multiple groups, groups a teacher can add children to ad potentially multiple friend groups #4043
- would be interesting to know how hard the deployment need this
- webkit
- try to compare webkit http://live.gnome.org/WebKitGtk (comes with python bindings http://live.gnome.org/PyWebKitGtk) with xulrunner
- sugar
- accelerators (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-February/004344.html)
- benzea fixed palette issues (http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=sugar-toolkit;a=commit;h=c9871633e3f3b38bcb8ae388ebeaaa81ad4123c9, http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=sugar-toolkit;a=commit;h=826bf9dd4caa07903346a756f34779da3c6c47b1)
- browse: add right click and search
- add control panel option to set delay before frame pops in
- notifications: box containing an activity icon that pops up when someone is 'calling', could be used for notifications about devices, invitations and adding to the frame,
- Eben you had something like that in one mockup that each corner was used for different notifications?
Tuesday February 19 2008 ("big")
Logs
http://dev.laptop.org/~tomeu/sugar_meeting_Feb_19.log
Attending
tomeu, erikos, cjb, ChristophD, daja77, Ridderman
Topics
- roadmap: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Roadmap
- Tomeu tried to describe the latest mockups for the New Home view and Frame design.
- UI for sugar-control-panel, ChristophD appearently did some work on this (early screenshot and info)
- Activity handbook:
- "The purpose of the activity handbook is to provide you with all the information you need in order to get started with software development for the OLPC XO."
- http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/index.php/Activity_handbook
- currently working on chapters about GUI elements and Journal, next update should become available over the next 2 weeks
- distribute/share activity
- distribute Journal entries and activities
- use ObjectChooser to choose the object to share
- bemasc was not around to discuss his activity
- Message Board activity
- the idea is to have some way of providing a persistent message board without a school server or Internet access.
- if you have a school server it could be a webpage on the school server
- for example, every laptop could broadcast every message board note it's seen and the activity could know to collate them and remove duplicates
- passing a USB stick with a portable mediawiki
- Disconnected backups
- Ridderman is working on focus bugs in Sugar / GTK. Kind of a nuts and bolts bug - http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/2045
2007 Meetings
Tuesday October 30 2007
(all the meeting logs go here: http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/tmp/freenode-olpc-meeting.log)
- How do we log the meeting. (see above)
- Quick status updates.
- Reinier introduction.
- #4022 browser cannot open files generated by view source.
- #3239 Control Panel, user preferences
- Correct way to get access to temporary file space during activity execution ?
- Update1. Branching and trac.
- Module maintainers. Distribute the release duties.
- Managing the build system chaos. (idea: coordinated releases of the Sugar core. What is core?)
- How do we bring back joyride into shape.
- What API changes to expect before next milestone.
Who is where:
bertf: Germany Cassidy: BE daf: UK edsiper: Chile Erikos: Germany hmmmbird: SA marcopg: Italy morgs: SA rwh: NL Sjoerd: NL smcv: UK
bertf: E-toys, implementing tubes
Smcv: audit/improve tubes usage
edsiper: developer console: stripping down, composed of 3 activities: Analyze, Log, Terminal
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_Environment
cassidy: finishing stream tubes in Salut
morgs: working on PresenceService reliability improvements, Connect
sjoerd: finishing
hmmmbird: WorldWideWorkshop Joke Machine (waiting #3060)
marcopg: had meeting with Ivan and Tomeu about backups, marcopg & Tomeu do sugar side, Ivan client/server
(school server), fighting with build system
erikos: works on control panel, functioning version
tomeu: next to backups, screenshots
uwogBB: Implement support for custom keybindings, develop AbiCollab debug tooling, Implement "find"
support in Write (done)
ACTIONS:
bertf: talk to smcv about tubes marcopg: list of activities, list of modules, assign some sugar + activity tickets to rwh, drop the created xm branch and create an update1 one
morgs: talk to jg about getting bot up for logs smcv: post logs at: http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/tmp/freenode-olpc-meeting.log erikos: check for #4022 everything for 'Hint write about using txt with a view_source property' seems in place already
erikos: control panel, user preferences:do not move olpc-update into script, fix radio on/off, restart sugar hmmmbird: Correct way to get access to temporary file space during activity execution ? should use use get_activity_root() instead of /tmp everyone: read Walter's mail for clarification of the names (Update1 etc) module_owners: module owners should create update1 branches as necessary (help: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Git_Tips)
- The branch/build procedure discussion is moved to the journal/tubes meeting