Oversight Board/2009/Meeting Log-2009-11-13

Oversight Board Meeting Log 2009-11-13

<walterbender> FWIW, I may be a few minutes late to the SLOBs meeting. The conference is scheduled to end at 4, but it is running late. (I am the last talk.)

<walterbender> But please get started without me.

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<walterbender> I will definitely by about 15 - 20 minutes late.

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<cjb> morning.

<tomeu> hi all

<SeanDaly> hi Sean here

<tomeu> SeanDaly: is walterbender speaking now?

<SeanDaly> I am in SFScon auditorium, Walter is up next

• tomeu is hidden in a hole coding

<SeanDaly> Federico is onstage now re Zeitgeist

<walterbender> looks like I am not up next... so I can start meeting and just break when I have to get on stage

• SeanDaly a bit nervous about getting my plane

<walterbender> SeanDaly: the airport is 10 minutes away

<walterbender> shall we have a quick meeting?

<SeanDaly> walterbender: my brain says no problem, my heart says 900 roros if I miss it

<walterbender> OK. with me.

<cjb> bernie: ping

<cjb> someone able to poke Adam?

<walterbender> mel cannot join us. nor Adam

<tomeu> cjb: adam is traveling now

<cjb> oh, ok

<tomeu> fortunately, they can vote by email later

<tomeu> ok, should I go through the agenda items?

<cjb> sure

<walterbender> #start-meeting

<SeanDaly> yes pls

<walterbender> #topic cjb report on email list

<cjb> walterbender: no hyphen

<walterbender> #startmeeting

<meeting> Meeting started at 10:05 UTC. The chair is walterbender.

<meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK

<walterbender> #topic email list

<cjb> ok, here's what I was able to come up with, don't know if anyone will like it :)

<cjb> a) new list: slobs-members@. goes only to slobs.

• bernie waves

<walterbender> ciao bernardo

• SeanDaly hi bernie

<walterbender> cjb: is there a b) ?

<cjb> yes, moment

<bernie> cjb: I have a counter-proposal: creating a teams@ list for all team leaders and slobs, and unsubscribing non-slobs from slobs@

<cjb> bernie: wait for me to finish, though.

• walterbender is waiting for part b

<cjb> b) slobs@ becomes the proper list for SLOBS business.

<cjb> .. SLOBS business includes questions from the community about policy ..

<walterbender> cjb: for adding agenda items...

<cjb> yeah!

<walterbender> an open list, presumably

<walterbender> seems orthogonal to Bernie's suggestion

<SeanDaly> I thought we had said an agenda proposal went thru a SLOB?

<cjb> yes. and, I think most of the mail currently on slobs@ can stay on that open list

• tomeu doesn't understand what team leaders have to do in all this

<cjb> not everyone will want to subscribe to it

<cjb> most of it will be organizational minutia, after all

• SeanDaly also would hesitate to add team leader layer...

<walterbender> cjb: I guess the only question is whether we couldn't just use iaep for the same purpose

<cjb> walterbender: only for the reason I just gave

<bernie> tomeu, SeanDaly: currently, we have almost all team leaders subscribed to slobs@. and it helps for coordination.

<tomeu> bernie: how it helps to coordinate anything?

<cjb> there may be people who want to read iaep@ and don't want to read boring financial details or policy questions

<SeanDaly> bernie: ok but they are all on IAEP too, no?

<walterbender> I am genrally in favor of fewer lists and more sunject-line tags

<SeanDaly> maybe iaep with a subject slobs business?

<walterbender> ^sun^sub

<walterbender> [SLOBS]

<bernie> SeanDaly: teams@ would not be open. it would be the same of the current slobs@, in my mind.

• SeanDaly imagines Mel reacting to phrase "would not be open" ;-)

<walterbender> bernie: what team business needs to be private? hypathetical, pelase>

<walterbender> please?

<tomeu> bernie: team coordinators are chosen by a criteria that is not too related to their suitability to be aware of confidential matters

<cjb> SeanDaly: we should probably ask the people on iaep whether they'd like that or not, if we go this route

<tomeu> cjb: do you think we have sent too much administrative stuff already?

<SeanDaly> cjb: I certainly agree governance minutiae boring for many, but then again, the day a complaint about e.g. finances comes in, financial discussions clear

<cjb> tomeu: to iaep? no

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<cjb> tomeu: but I'm talking about moving ~80% of SLOBs list traffic there

<cjb> and it seems like that would be too much

<tomeu> don't think we have much traffic in slobs

<SeanDaly> slobs fairly low-volume in my view

<cjb> I guess that's true

<tomeu> also, while some admin stuff could be boring, the discussions that could ensure could be very interesting

<walterbender> cjb: the original motivation for my request for a private list was to keep the slobs traffic lower

<tomeu> and chances are people would forget to forward to iaep and keep the discussion there

<cjb> walterbender: could you elaborate?

<cjb> you mean, keep the slobs@ traffic lower?

<walterbender> cjb: it is easy to ignore email with suitable [BORING SLOBS BUSINESS] subject tags :)

<walterbender> cjb: less slobs traffic and less private list traffic both

<cjb> ok

<cjb> so, perhaps we have a MOTION

<walterbender> Anyway, I think we are really trying to decide between a new list and using [TAGS] on iaep

<tomeu> tags++

<cjb> MOTION: close the slobs@ list to just SLOBs, move current slobs@ traffic to iaep@ with a [SLOBS] subject line tag where at all possible

<walterbender> cjb: second

<walterbender> discussion?

• tomeu likes that motion as-is

<cjb> we'll have to explain this well. people will hear the "you can't be on slobs@ part" and think it's a negative for transparency.

<cjb> s/ part"/" part/

<SeanDaly> discussion: we need to explain policy to bootees

<cjb> bootees?

<walterbender> cjb: I'll try to explain it (and take the heat)

<SeanDaly> bootee: somebody removed from list

<cjb> oh :)

<walterbender> any more discussion?

• SeanDaly not from me

<cjb> I'm interested in what Mel and Adam think

<walterbender> cjb: me too. we will get their votes.

<walterbender> (by email withing 96 hours?)

<cjb> the problem with all voting now is that we'll pass it without them, and then they'll point out the giant flaw in our strategy :)

<walterbender> (I hope my talk goes better than my typing)

<cjb> would people be opposed to having all of us postpone our vote until they've had a chance to join in the discussion?

<walterbender> cjb: I am fine with it.

<SeanDaly> or, could be amended

<cjb> excellent. okay, I'd like to do that.

<walterbender> we can vote on it first thing next week...

<cjb> shall we move on for now, then, with that MOTION suitably transcribed?

<walterbender> OK.

<SeanDaly> ok

<walterbender> #task write up the motion with the minutes

<walterbender> next topic?

<walterbender> #topic lists for teams

<walterbender> bernie: can you explain a bit more?

<walterbender> bernie: ping?

<walterbender> friends, I am going to be called to the podium in a moment and Sean will need to take off.

<walterbender> can I propose a #task?

<cjb> ok. maybe that's our short meeting. :)

<cjb> sure

<walterbender> #task: bernie: write a note about your proposal

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<walterbender> #task: carlo has a nice document re the next topic I can circulate (to IAEP with suitable [TAG] when I get back to Boston

<walterbender> #task: I'll bug the DP for closure.

<walterbender> end meeting?

<tomeu> ok with me

<SeanDaly> ok with me

• tomeu goes listen to the talk

<walterbender> Sorry about the awkward timing...

<cjb> np

<walterbender> the conference gods weren't cooperating :(

• SeanDaly knows how much "fun" it is to miss a plane

<walterbender> thanks for coming everyone. Same time next week.

<SeanDaly> :-)

<walterbender> SeanDaly: I'll tell you a Seymour/Piaget story some time :)

<walterbender> ok.

<walterbender> #endmeeting

<meeting> Meeting finished at 10:29.

<meeting> Logs available at http://meeting.laptop.org/