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*aa: dirakx: hello!
*dirakx: aa: hello.
*aa: dirakx: when is the meeting?
*icarito: hola gente ;-)
*icarito: en 5 segundos?
*walter: hola
*icarito: :-=
*aa: :)
*icarito: :-)
*tomeu1: this time is going to be for real!
*dirakx: aa: in a few seconds.
*dirakx: :)
*walter: I was just putting together a memo of understanding of what a relationship between SL and a regional SL might look like.
***icarito switches his brain to english
*aa: pablo flores will be joining us
*walter: When we get to that topic, I'll post it.
*(09:01:09 AM) aa: walter: hola!
(09:01:09 AM) aa: walter: hola!
*(09:01:24 AM) walter: good morning
(09:01:24 AM) walter: good morning
*(09:01:47 AM) dirakx: walter: morning ;)
(09:01:47 AM) dirakx: walter: morning ;)
*(09:02:05 AM) walter: dirakx: are you our chairman today?
(09:02:05 AM) walter: dirakx: are you our chairman today?
*(09:02:26 AM) icarito: could we perhaps have a quick round of everybody saying name / place ?
(09:02:26 AM) icarito: could we perhaps have a quick round of everybody saying name / place ?
*(09:02:31 AM) icarito: this is sebastian, down here in peru
(09:02:31 AM) icarito: this is sebastian, down here in peru
*(09:02:39 AM) walter: walter in Boston
(09:02:39 AM) walter: walter in Boston
*(09:02:44 AM) icarito: (everybody that's here for the meeting)
(09:02:44 AM) icarito: (everybody that's here for the meeting)
*(09:02:48 AM) aa: Andrés in Uruguay
(09:02:48 AM) aa: Andrés in Uruguay
*(09:02:54 AM) dirakx: rafael in Colombia,
(09:02:54 AM) dirakx: rafael in Colombia,
*(09:03:02 AM) tomeu1: tomeu in prague
(09:03:02 AM) tomeu1: tomeu in prague
*(09:03:16 AM) dirakx: walter: if you want to aist me that would be nice ;).
(09:03:16 AM) dirakx: walter: if you want to aist me that would be nice ;).
*(09:03:16 AM) walter: I need to get our friends in Pakistan and Nepal to join these meetings
(09:03:16 AM) walter: I need to get our friends in Pakistan and Nepal to join these meetings
*(09:03:33 AM) aa: no one from Oceania?
(09:03:33 AM) aa: no one from Oceania?
*(09:03:34 AM) walter: @dirakx: I am not shy
(09:03:34 AM) walter: @dirakx: I am not shy
*(09:03:35 AM) icarito: walter: perhaps time zone is a dificulty
(09:03:35 AM) icarito: walter: perhaps time zone is a dificulty
*(09:03:39 AM) walter: I
(09:03:39 AM) walter: I
*(09:03:44 AM) dirakx: walter: ;)
(09:03:44 AM) dirakx: walter: ;)
*(09:03:52 AM) walter: I'l reach out to them all in the next SUgar DIgest
(09:03:52 AM) walter: I'l reach out to them all in the next SUgar DIgest
*(09:04:08 AM) pflores [n=chatzill@r190-64-23-208.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] entered the room.
(09:04:08 AM) pflores [n=chatzill@r190-64-23-208.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] entered the room.
*(09:04:09 AM) walter: (my fingers aren't awake yet--not enough coffee)
(09:04:09 AM) walter: (my fingers aren't awake yet--not enough coffee)
*(09:04:12 AM) dirakx: icarito: maybe we should reschedule for them ?.
(09:04:12 AM) dirakx: icarito: maybe we should reschedule for them ?.
*(09:04:16 AM) aa: pflores: hi!
(09:04:16 AM) aa: pflores: hi!
*(09:04:32 AM) tomeu1: we could change times from time to time
(09:04:32 AM) tomeu1: we could change times from time to time
*(09:04:33 AM) icarito: great i wish they could come sometime - dirakx lets wait for them to say if its tz
(09:04:33 AM) icarito: great i wish they could come sometime - dirakx lets wait for them to say if its tz
*(09:04:36 AM) pflores: hi team!
(09:04:36 AM) pflores: hi team!
*(09:04:48 AM) icarito: hola pflores, long time
(09:04:48 AM) icarito: hola pflores, long time
*(09:04:52 AM) dirakx: pflores: hi,
(09:04:52 AM) dirakx: pflores: hi,
*(09:05:01 AM) walter: hi pablo
(09:05:01 AM) walter: hi pablo
*(09:05:43 AM) icarito: ok so i guess its us for the meeting
(09:05:43 AM) icarito: ok so i guess its us for the meeting
*(09:05:51 AM) walter: so, shall we begin with Rafael's agenda
(09:05:51 AM) walter: so, shall we begin with Rafael's agenda
*(09:05:58 AM) dirakx: ok..
(09:05:58 AM) dirakx: ok..
*(09:06:03 AM) aa: Agenda at: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/Meetings#2008-12-10_meeting
(09:06:03 AM) aa: Agenda at: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/Meetings#2008-12-10_meeting
*(09:06:07 AM) pflores: sorry for arriving late. I got very interested when aa announced me about new ways of working together with SL from Uruguay
(09:06:07 AM) pflores: sorry for arriving late. I got very interested when aa announced me about new ways of working together with SL from Uruguay
*(09:06:37 AM) walter: sounds interesting
(09:06:37 AM) walter: sounds interesting
*(09:06:38 AM) dirakx: about fund-raising status i don't have updates..we don't have money yet in Colombia lol
(09:06:38 AM) dirakx: about fund-raising status i don't have updates..we don't have money yet in Colombia lol
*(09:06:44 AM) dirakx: ;)
(09:06:44 AM) dirakx: ;)
*(09:06:59 AM) dirakx: i don't know if walter has any?
(09:06:59 AM) dirakx: i don't know if walter has any?
*(09:07:01 AM) walter: I have recently submitted two more applications for funding
(09:07:01 AM) walter: I have recently submitted two more applications for funding
*(09:07:12 AM) icarito: fuentelibre still has the 700 US RMS left - we're spending some on flyers
(09:07:12 AM) icarito: fuentelibre still has the 700 US RMS left - we're spending some on flyers
*(09:07:20 AM) icarito: we submitted a couple of applications
(09:07:20 AM) icarito: we submitted a couple of applications
*(09:07:29 AM) walter: and Caroline and I heard that our application to fund a pilot of Sugar on a Stick was turned down :(
(09:07:29 AM) walter: and Caroline and I heard that our application to fund a pilot of Sugar on a Stick was turned down :(
*(09:07:35 AM) icarito: one for USAID and one for Alzado.Org
(09:07:35 AM) icarito: one for USAID and one for Alzado.Org
*(09:07:36 AM) walter: But we will go ahead anyway.
(09:07:36 AM) walter: But we will go ahead anyway.
*(09:07:58 AM) walter: I hae another USAID/NSF grant I am just getting started on...
(09:07:58 AM) walter: I hae another USAID/NSF grant I am just getting started on...
*(09:08:10 AM) dirakx: http://www.netsquared.org/projects/free-social-networks-rural-education
(09:08:10 AM) dirakx: http://www.netsquared.org/projects/free-social-networks-rural-education
*(09:08:12 AM) walter: It is about Science education and it is global
(09:08:12 AM) walter: It is about Science education and it is global
*(09:08:32 AM) walter: We can bring all of our efforts together on this one.
(09:08:32 AM) walter: We can bring all of our efforts together on this one.
*(09:08:48 AM) dirakx: this is the proposal that icarito and i submitted to USAID coments/votes welcome.
(09:08:48 AM) dirakx: this is the proposal that icarito and i submitted to USAID coments/votes welcome.
*(09:08:52 AM) icarito: sounds cool, let us know how we can help
(09:08:52 AM) icarito: sounds cool, let us know how we can help
*(09:09:07 AM) walter: I had started a list of grant applications in the wiki... let's try to keep it current
(09:09:07 AM) walter: I had started a list of grant applications in the wiki... let's try to keep it current
*(09:09:09 AM) icarito: actually we should solicit votes because its the only way to have a chance
(09:09:09 AM) icarito: actually we should solicit votes because its the only way to have a chance
*(09:09:43 AM) walter: Sebastian, send another note to IAEP and OLPC-Sur to remind people
(09:09:43 AM) walter: Sebastian, send another note to IAEP and OLPC-Sur to remind people
*(09:10:02 AM) icarito: ok will do
(09:10:02 AM) icarito: ok will do
*(09:10:18 AM) walter: Just this weekly reminder is a good for me for staying focused.
(09:10:18 AM) walter: Just this weekly reminder is a good for me for staying focused.
*(09:10:48 AM) tomeu1: yes, reminders like those are good
(09:10:48 AM) tomeu1: yes, reminders like those are good
*(09:10:58 AM) dirakx: ;).
(09:10:58 AM) dirakx: ;).
*(09:11:52 AM) dirakx: also i think that if anyone knows about this kind of grants or challenges in their countries should let us know.
(09:11:52 AM) dirakx: also i think that if anyone knows about this kind of grants or challenges in their countries should let us know.
*(09:12:19 AM) dirakx: by putting them in the wiki..and writing proposals.
(09:12:19 AM) dirakx: by putting them in the wiki..and writing proposals.
*(09:12:34 AM) walter: Sugar Labs central is happy to be a supporting party in these local efforts, if it is helpful.
(09:12:34 AM) walter: Sugar Labs central is happy to be a supporting party in these local efforts, if it is helpful.
*(09:12:39 AM) tomeu1: we should get people with experience in EU grants
(09:12:39 AM) tomeu1: we should get people with experience in EU grants
*(09:12:49 AM) dirakx: tomeu1: +1
(09:12:49 AM) dirakx: tomeu1: +1
*(09:12:49 AM) pflores: I was thinking about the grants that ANII gives in Uruguay
(09:12:49 AM) pflores: I was thinking about the grants that ANII gives in Uruguay
*(09:12:59 AM) pflores: http://www.anii.org.uy
(09:12:59 AM) pflores: http://www.anii.org.uy
*(09:13:09 AM) walter: Yeah. I am falling behind on that one. I have mentioned it to a few people on both of my recent trips to EU
(09:13:09 AM) walter: Yeah. I am falling behind on that one. I have mentioned it to a few people on both of my recent trips to EU
*(09:13:24 AM) walter: But haven't followed through
(09:13:24 AM) walter: But haven't followed through
*(09:13:41 AM) pflores: The problem is that they mostly give grants to companies settled in the country
(09:13:41 AM) pflores: The problem is that they mostly give grants to companies settled in the country
*(09:14:15 AM) dirakx: that's the second point of our agenda today..
(09:14:15 AM) dirakx: that's the second point of our agenda today..
*(09:14:20 AM) walter: It is fine that the money stays local...
(09:14:20 AM) walter: It is fine that the money stays local...
*(09:14:31 AM) walter: that is perhaps why it is important to create local SL
(09:14:31 AM) walter: that is perhaps why it is important to create local SL
*(09:15:13 AM) dirakx: walter: it's ok for a Local Lab to write a proposal and get this kind of grants ?.
(09:15:13 AM) dirakx: walter: it's ok for a Local Lab to write a proposal and get this kind of grants ?.
*(09:15:27 AM) walter: As an action item then, can we agree to beef up the grant section of the wiki and I can add a regular section to the Sugar Digest about grants?
(09:15:27 AM) walter: As an action item then, can we agree to beef up the grant section of the wiki and I can add a regular section to the Sugar Digest about grants?
*(09:15:40 AM) walter: @dirakx: yes yes yes
(09:15:40 AM) walter: @dirakx: yes yes yes
*(09:15:46 AM) dirakx: walter: ;).
(09:15:46 AM) dirakx: walter: ;).
*(09:15:52 AM) dirakx: walter: sounds fine to me.
(09:15:52 AM) dirakx: walter: sounds fine to me.
*(09:16:10 AM) dirakx: about wiki/sugar digest grants.
(09:16:10 AM) dirakx: about wiki/sugar digest grants.
*(09:16:23 AM) tomeu1: I guess will be interesting for SL France to get a grant from the EU for a project in Argel, for example
(09:16:23 AM) tomeu1: I guess will be interesting for SL France to get a grant from the EU for a project in Argel, for example
*(09:16:24 AM) pflores: ANII supports a lot innovative software development projects. However they're not used to work much with non-profits
(09:16:24 AM) pflores: ANII supports a lot innovative software development projects. However they're not used to work much with non-profits
*(09:16:31 AM) tomeu1: argelia, meant
(09:16:31 AM) tomeu1: argelia, meant
*(09:16:34 AM) walter: Pablo, for example, can you find specific grants in the ANII site to look at?
(09:16:34 AM) walter: Pablo, for example, can you find specific grants in the ANII site to look at?
*(09:17:09 AM) walter: In the EU, I have also spoken to some companies about applying together with a local Sugar effort
(09:17:09 AM) walter: In the EU, I have also spoken to some companies about applying together with a local Sugar effort
*(09:17:20 AM) walter: I need to push them into action
(09:17:20 AM) walter: I need to push them into action
*(09:17:59 AM) icarito: ok regarding funding i have a small question
(09:17:59 AM) icarito: ok regarding funding i have a small question
*(09:18:14 AM) walter: ask away!!
(09:18:14 AM) walter: ask away!!
*(09:18:28 AM) icarito: we've been planning a noisy community pr campaign to reject windows in education
(09:18:28 AM) icarito: we've been planning a noisy community pr campaign to reject windows in education
*(09:18:29 AM) andresambrois [i=be401664@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1bda5356c6382d78] entered the room.
(09:18:29 AM) andresambrois [i=be401664@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1bda5356c6382d78] entered the room.
*(09:18:46 AM) icarito: one of the plans is to have a 30 sec video spot contest
(09:18:46 AM) icarito: one of the plans is to have a 30 sec video spot contest
*(09:19:01 AM) icarito: and raise funds to put it on tv (kind of like firefox guys did)
(09:19:01 AM) icarito: and raise funds to put it on tv (kind of like firefox guys did)
*(09:20:06 AM) icarito: i've never put a donation button / dont know if it should route thru sugarlabs, guess not, we still have no legal entity here
(09:19:23 AM) aa left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.).
*(09:20:13 AM) icarito: perhaps sugarlabs should not be involver
(09:19:38 AM) andresambrois is now known as aa
*(09:20:22 AM) aa: *sigh*, sorry about that, I´m back
(09:19:54 AM) aa__ [n=chatzill@r190-64-22-100.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] entered the room.
*(09:20:51 AM) icarito: nevermind i guess i'll deal with that
(09:20:06 AM) icarito: i've never put a donation button / dont know if it should route thru sugarlabs, guess not, we still have no legal entity here
*(09:20:52 AM) walter: I think we should get you your own legal entity...
(09:20:13 AM) icarito: perhaps sugarlabs should not be involver
*(09:21:03 AM) walter: is it difficult?
(09:20:22 AM) aa: *sigh*, sorry about that, I´m back
*(09:21:04 AM) icarito: yes i'm on it
(09:20:51 AM) icarito: nevermind i guess i'll deal with that
*(09:21:11 AM) aa: we are on the same here
(09:20:52 AM) walter: I think we should get you your own legal entity...
*(09:21:18 AM) icarito: requires some help from lawyers but we'll pull thru
(09:21:03 AM) walter: is it difficult?
*(09:21:29 AM) icarito: mostly need to get foundational documents right
(09:21:04 AM) icarito: yes i'm on it
*(09:21:31 AM) pflores: walter: I have some specific grants of ANII, but if you want we can wait until point 2 of agenda
(09:21:11 AM) aa: we are on the same here
*(09:21:36 AM) aa: pflores can explain it better, but for LATU to provide support to us, we need to be a legal entity
*(09:21:39 AM) walter: Maybe the SFC can recommend some lawyers who will help you
(09:21:29 AM) icarito: mostly need to get foundational documents right
*(09:22:05 AM) walter: I will add it to my list of action items.
(09:21:31 AM) pflores: walter: I have some specific grants of ANII, but if you want we can wait until point 2 of agenda
*(09:22:29 AM) icarito: walter: ok thanks dont let me slow the meeting, if i have a specific question or request I'll make it
(09:21:36 AM) aa: pflores can explain it better, but for LATU to provide support to us, we need to be a legal entity
*(09:22:58 AM) dirakx: ok second point ?
(09:21:39 AM) walter: Maybe the SFC can recommend some lawyers who will help you
*(09:23:06 AM) dirakx: everybody?.
(09:22:05 AM) walter: I will add it to my list of action items.
*(09:23:18 AM) dirakx: or is there something more to add ?
(09:22:29 AM) icarito: walter: ok thanks dont let me slow the meeting, if i have a specific question or request I'll make it
*(09:24:02 AM) walter: I think we can move one
*(09:24:07 AM) walter: ^one^on
(09:23:06 AM) dirakx: everybody?.
*(09:24:10 AM) aa: yes
(09:23:18 AM) dirakx: or is there something more to add ?
*(09:24:25 AM) dirakx: ok so aa and others are interested in how is the process of making a local lab.
(09:24:02 AM) walter: I think we can move one
*(09:24:44 AM) aa: and what it implies
*(09:24:56 AM) walter: I have been working on a generic MOU between SL and a local entity
(09:24:07 AM) walter: ^one^on
*(09:24:59 AM) pflores: possibilities and obligations :)
(09:24:10 AM) aa: yes
*(09:25:11 AM) dirakx: yes..so we are making discussions here http://sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
(09:24:25 AM) dirakx: ok so aa and others are interested in how is the process of making a local lab.
*(09:25:18 AM) dirakx: walter: that is needed
(09:24:44 AM) aa: and what it implies
*(09:25:37 AM) walter: let me pull out my notes
(09:24:56 AM) walter: I have been working on a generic MOU between SL and a local entity
*(09:26:33 AM) dirakx: but also about legal entity, i was in the impression that for now a local lab couldn't have it's own legal independency ?
(09:24:59 AM) pflores: possibilities and obligations :)
*(09:26:38 AM) aa: I´m sure that if its along the lines of whats described in the wiki, it´s just a matter of wording
(09:25:11 AM) dirakx: yes..so we are making discussions here http://sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs
*(09:27:08 AM) aa: dirakx: why not?
*(09:27:18 AM) icarito: dirakx: yes why not?
*(09:27:19 AM) dirakx: not because it's not wanted but because it's an overhead for SFC.
*(09:27:38 AM) icarito: dirakx: its only an overhead for SFC if we collect funds as sugarlabs
*(09:27:47 AM) icarito: as sl central or something
(09:27:47 AM) icarito: as sl central or something
(09:28:27 AM) dirakx: icarito: that's the question...how should be legal relations between a lolcal lab and a central lab ?
(09:28:27 AM) dirakx: icarito: that's the question...how should be legal relations between a lolcal lab and a central lab ?
(09:28:57 AM) icarito: dirakx: there's no reason for you not to form an entity as I understand it
*(09:28:57 AM) icarito: dirakx: there's no reason for you not to form an entity as I understand it
(09:29:01 AM) aa: in fact, it could strongly limit the ammount of delegation possible if all legal matters need to go back to SL HQ
*(09:29:01 AM) aa: in fact, it could strongly limit the ammount of delegation possible if all legal matters need to go back to SL HQ
(09:29:06 AM) walter: Here is my new wording (I'll post this in the wiki too)
*(09:29:06 AM) walter: Here is my new wording (I'll post this in the wiki too)
(09:29:24 AM) walter: 1.Sugar Labs and ??? agree to establish Sugar Labs XYZ, a local-to-XYZ entity to do software development, deployment, and support, including providing local and regional technical and pedagogical support; creating new learning activities and pedagogical practice; providing localization and internationalization of software, content, and documentation; and providing integration and customization ser
(*09:29:24 AM) walter: 1.Sugar Labs and ??? agree to establish Sugar Labs XYZ, a local-to-XYZ entity to do software development, deployment, and support, including providing local and regional technical and pedagogical support; creating new learning activities and pedagogical practice; providing localization and internationalization of software, content, and documentation; and providing integration and customization ser
(09:29:26 AM) walter: vices.
*(09:29:26 AM) walter: vices.
(09:29:27 AM) walter: 2.Sugar Labs XYZ:
*(09:29:27 AM) walter: 2.Sugar Labs XYZ:
(09:29:28 AM) walter: a. will be co-branded entity established in XYZ;
*(09:29:28 AM) walter: a. will be co-branded entity established in XYZ;
(09:29:30 AM) walter: b. will have Sugar Labs representation on their board of directors;
*(09:29:30 AM) walter: b. will have Sugar Labs representation on their board of directors;
(09:29:32 AM) walter: c. will have web presence at xyz.sugarlabs.org;
*(09:29:32 AM) walter: c. will have web presence at xyz.sugarlabs.org;
(09:29:34 AM) walter: d. will appoint a representative to Sugar Labs;
*(09:29:34 AM) walter: d. will appoint a representative to Sugar Labs;
(09:29:36 AM) walter: e. will not act as an agent for Sugar Labs nor to take any action inconsistent with the status of Sugar Labs as a public charity;
*(09:29:36 AM) walter: e. will not act as an agent for Sugar Labs nor to take any action inconsistent with the status of Sugar Labs as a public charity;
(09:29:37 AM) walter: f. agrees to abide by the principles of Free Software, open communication, and community participation;
*(09:29:37 AM) walter: f. agrees to abide by the principles of Free Software, open communication, and community participation;
(09:29:39 AM) walter: g. agrees to operate within the scope of the joint learning missions of Sugar Labs .
*(09:29:39 AM) walter: g. agrees to operate within the scope of the joint learning missions of Sugar Labs .
(09:29:40 AM) walter: 3.Sugar Labs:
*(09:29:40 AM) walter: 3.Sugar Labs:
(09:29:42 AM) walter: a. will help identify resources to be utilized by Sugar Labs XYZ on technical and pedagogical issues;
*(09:29:42 AM) walter: a. will help identify resources to be utilized by Sugar Labs XYZ on technical and pedagogical issues;
(09:29:44 AM) walter: b. will appoint a Sugar Labs member to the Sugar Labs XYZboard of directors;
*(09:29:44 AM) walter: b. will appoint a Sugar Labs member to the Sugar Labs XYZboard of directors;
(09:29:45 AM) walter: c. will include Sugar Labs XYZ as part of the global Sugar Labs community;
*(09:29:45 AM) walter: c. will include Sugar Labs XYZ as part of the global Sugar Labs community;
(09:29:47 AM) walter: d. will not charge any license fee for the use of the Sugar Labs brand;
*(09:29:47 AM) walter: d. will not charge any license fee for the use of the Sugar Labs brand;
(09:29:49 AM) walter: e. will collect no fees from Sugar Labs XYZ.
*(09:29:49 AM) walter: e. will collect no fees from Sugar Labs XYZ.
(09:29:55 AM) walter: sorry for the blast of text
*(09:29:55 AM) walter: sorry for the blast of text
(09:30:02 AM) dirakx: np
*(09:30:02 AM) dirakx: np
(09:30:59 AM) dirakx: walter: so what i need here it's a necessity of legal advisory to for a legal identity locally that could address Sl concerns and needs.
*(09:30:59 AM) dirakx: walter: so what i need here it's a necessity of legal advisory to for a legal identity locally that could address Sl concerns and needs.
(09:31:06 AM) dirakx: to form.
*(09:31:06 AM) dirakx: to form.
(09:31:14 AM) walter: yes, I think so.
*(09:31:14 AM) walter: yes, I think so.
(09:31:38 AM) icarito: dirakx: we should be lawyers and set up an sfc latam
*(09:31:38 AM) icarito: dirakx: we should be lawyers and set up an sfc latam
(09:31:44 AM) walter: I think the local entity has to be the responsible party legally
*(09:31:44 AM) walter: I think the local entity has to be the responsible party legally
(09:31:51 AM) dirakx: icarito: hehe.
*(09:31:51 AM) dirakx: icarito: hehe.
(09:31:59 AM) dirakx: walter: +1
*(09:31:59 AM) dirakx: walter: +1
*(09:32:41 AM) aa: I have no problem with that summary
(09:32:41 AM) aa: I have no problem with that summary
*(09:32:44 AM) dirakx: that part it's not so easy but should be addressed because each country has it's ouwn regulations.
(09:32:44 AM) dirakx: that part it's not so easy but should be addressed because each country has it's ouwn regulations.
*(09:33:11 AM) walter: An SFC-like organization that can help is a very good idea.
(09:33:11 AM) walter: An SFC-like organization that can help is a very good idea.
*(09:33:39 AM) aa: walter: do you believe there could be a problem with SFC if Local Labs are legally independant?
(09:33:39 AM) aa: walter: do you believe there could be a problem with SFC if Local Labs are legally independant?
*(09:33:56 AM) walter: I think that would be their preference
(09:33:56 AM) walter: I think that would be their preference
*(09:34:08 AM) aa: right, I agree
(09:34:08 AM) aa: right, I agree
*(09:34:12 AM) pflores: so... in our country we should create a new NGO or similar, and then sign an *agreement with SL, am I right?
(09:34:12 AM) pflores: so... in our country we should create a new NGO or similar, and then sign an agreement with SL, am I right?
(09:34:20 AM) walter: Yes.
(09:34:20 AM) walter: Yes.
(09:34:22 AM) aa: pflores: I believe so
*(09:34:22 AM) aa: pflores: I believe so
(09:34:29 AM) icarito: ok so the other way around then, the question... what's local sl relation to sfc?
*(09:34:29 AM) icarito: ok so the other way around then, the question... what's local sl relation to sfc?
(09:34:52 AM) aa: pflores: I believe it fits well in our short term objectives
*(09:34:52 AM) aa: pflores: I believe it fits well in our short term objectives
(09:34:59 AM) walter: None
*(09:34:59 AM) walter: None
(09:35:21 AM) dirakx: ok fair enough.:)
*(09:35:21 AM) dirakx: ok fair enough.:)
(09:35:21 AM) caroline_: can sfc be a fiscal sponsor to nonUS organizations?
*(09:35:21 AM) caroline_: can sfc be a fiscal sponsor to nonUS organizations?
(09:36:02 AM) walter: I will ask SFC...
*(09:36:02 AM) walter: I will ask SFC...
(09:36:16 AM) caroline_: do you imagine US local Sugar Labs forming?
*(09:36:16 AM) caroline_: do you imagine US local Sugar Labs forming?
(09:36:17 AM) walter: But I suspect that the US/nonUS is not the issue,
*(09:36:17 AM) walter: But I suspect that the US/nonUS is not the issue,
(09:36:33 AM) walter: They are responsible to their members, whereever they may be
*(09:36:33 AM) walter: They are responsible to their members, whereever they may be
(09:36:43 AM) walter: But they are not responsible to non-members.
*(09:36:43 AM) walter: But they are not responsible to non-members.
(09:37:01 AM) walter: I think more than one local US SL will form...
*(09:37:01 AM) walter: I think more than one local US SL will form...
(09:37:04 AM) aa: hmm, I wonder if that can be legally so
*(09:37:04 AM) aa: hmm, I wonder if that can be legally so
(09:37:19 AM) tomeu1: oh yeah, wanted to ask about multiple local labs in the same country
*(09:37:19 AM) tomeu1: oh yeah, wanted to ask about multiple local labs in the same country
(09:37:25 AM) walter: @aa: what is "that"?
*(09:37:25 AM) walter: @aa: what is "that"?
(09:37:26 AM) tomeu1: we are going to see forks and such soon
*(09:37:26 AM) tomeu1: we are going to see forks and such soon
(09:37:40 AM) icarito: tomeu1: you mean honey labs ;-)
*(09:37:40 AM) icarito: tomeu1: you mean honey labs ;-)
(09:37:42 AM) icarito: lol
*(09:37:42 AM) icarito: lol
(09:37:49 AM) walter: I think we will see forks in pedagogy more than in the software
*(09:37:49 AM) walter: I think we will see forks in pedagogy more than in the software
(09:38:04 AM) pflores: In our country, for instance, is not trivial creating a NGO... It's expensive, takes some time, and requires a team involved on it. Some external support is needed...
*(09:38:04 AM) pflores: In our country, for instance, is not trivial creating a NGO... It's expensive, takes some time, and requires a team involved on it. Some external support is needed...
(09:38:05 AM) icarito: i think its healthy that we aim for simple to replicate
*(09:38:05 AM) icarito: i think its healthy that we aim for simple to replicate
(09:38:05 AM) aa: walter: that SFC can provide any legal or fiscal support to non-us associates of members
*(09:38:05 AM) aa: walter: that SFC can provide any legal or fiscal support to non-us associates of members
(09:38:12 AM) tomeu1: well, I was referring to organizational forks
*(09:38:12 AM) tomeu1: well, I was referring to organizational forks
(09:38:20 AM) tomeu1: like what happened in nepal
*(09:38:20 AM) tomeu1: like what happened in nepal
(09:38:23 AM) caroline_: Well I imagine different deployments will end up on different releases just because of logistical relaity.
*(09:38:23 AM) caroline_: Well I imagine different deployments will end up on different releases just because of logistical relaity.
(09:38:33 AM) tomeu1: people will start a local lab and two factions will form, etc, etc
*(09:38:33 AM) tomeu1: people will start a local lab and two factions will form, etc, etc
(09:38:36 AM) caroline_: what happened in Nepal?
*(09:38:36 AM) caroline_: what happened in Nepal?
(09:38:38 AM) tomeu1: that stuff happens very often
*(09:38:38 AM) tomeu1: that stuff happens very often
(09:38:58 AM) walter: I don't think we should or can make exclusive relationships with people/organizations
*(09:38:58 AM) walter: I don't think we should or can make exclusive relationships with people/organizations
(09:38:58 AM) tomeu1: caroline_: bryan started one ngo, then left it to create another, if I understood correctly
*(09:38:58 AM) tomeu1: caroline_: bryan started one ngo, then left it to create another, if I understood correctly
(09:39:02 AM) caroline_: how did the organizations split get reflected in the code?
*(09:39:02 AM) caroline_: how did the organizations split get reflected in the code?
(09:39:17 AM) tomeu1: caroline_: not thinking on code at all
*(09:39:17 AM) tomeu1: caroline_: not thinking on code at all
(09:39:25 AM) walter: It wasn't a code fork, it was an organizational fork, as Tomeu says
*(09:39:25 AM) walter: It wasn't a code fork, it was an organizational fork, as Tomeu says
(09:39:38 AM) tomeu1: just on the relationship between global SL and multiple local labs operating in the same geographical area
*(09:39:38 AM) tomeu1: just on the relationship between global SL and multiple local labs operating in the same geographical area
(09:39:53 AM) walter: it was unfortunate, but I don't think we could do anything to avoid it... I tried, believe me.
*(09:39:53 AM) walter: it was unfortunate, but I don't think we could do anything to avoid it... I tried, believe me.
(09:40:17 AM) icarito: this is why having a set of principles is important - forks are inevitable
*(09:40:17 AM) icarito: this is why having a set of principles is important - forks are inevitable
(09:40:26 AM) caroline_: if we can have a code base that doesn't need forking when organizations split that is a very good technical goal.
*(09:40:26 AM) caroline_: if we can have a code base that doesn't need forking when organizations split that is a very good technical goal.
*(09:40:32 AM) dirakx: icarito: +1
(09:40:32 AM) dirakx: icarito: +1
*(09:40:42 AM) tomeu1: it will happen again and again, global SL should just try to support all the local labs and let them do their work and resolve their disputes
(09:40:42 AM) tomeu1: it will happen again and again, global SL should just try to support all the local labs and let them do their work and resolve their disputes
*(09:40:49 AM) icarito: caroline_: we do have
*(09:41:04 AM) caroline_: :)
(09:40:49 AM) icarito: caroline_: we do have
*(09:41:37 AM) aa: I think we can all agree with tomeu1
(09:41:04 AM) caroline_: :)
*(09:41:42 AM) walter: +1
(09:41:37 AM) aa: I think we can all agree with tomeu1
*(09:41:51 AM) dirakx: +1 also ;)
(09:41:42 AM) walter: +1
*(09:42:02 AM) pflores: I agree
(09:41:51 AM) dirakx: +1 also ;)
*(09:42:02 AM) aa: pflores concern needs an answer though
(09:42:02 AM) pflores: I agree
*(09:42:08 AM) icarito: +0.5 - as long as these clones follow some standards
(09:42:02 AM) aa: pflores concern needs an answer though
*(09:42:18 AM) aa: "In our country, for instance, is not trivial creating a NGO... It's expensive, takes some time, and requires a team involved on it. Some external support is needed..."
(09:42:08 AM) icarito: +0.5 - as long as these clones follow some standards
*(09:42:38 AM) walter: Does it have to be an NGO?
(09:42:18 AM) aa: "In our country, for instance, is not trivial creating a NGO... It's expensive, takes some time, and requires a team involved on it. Some external support is needed..."
*(09:42:59 AM) pflores: some institutionality is needed
*(09:43:01 AM) walter: Is it difficult to set up a business?
*(09:43:10 AM) pflores: at least if we want to run for grants...
(09:42:38 AM) walter: Does it have to be an NGO?
*(09:43:17 AM) walter: Would a university affiliation make it easier?
(09:42:59 AM) pflores: some institutionality is needed
*(09:43:25 AM) icarito: pflores: you did mention the ani grants were for businesses
(09:43:01 AM) walter: Is it difficult to set up a business?
*(09:43:27 AM) pflores: no, an enterprise is easy to set-up
(09:43:10 AM) pflores: at least if we want to run for grants...
*(09:43:43 AM) pflores: however it's not so easy to get funds to it
(09:43:17 AM) walter: Would a university affiliation make it easier?
*(09:43:47 AM) aa: no, but its expensive unless you actually do business
(09:43:25 AM) icarito: pflores: you did mention the ani grants were for businesses
*(09:43:53 AM) aa: and it will be more difficult to get support from govt
(09:43:27 AM) pflores: no, an enterprise is easy to set-up
*(09:44:31 AM) pflores: maybe associating the enterprise with SL could be a good strategy... but I think in this case SL may have some concerns...
(09:43:43 AM) pflores: however it's not so easy to get funds to it
*(09:44:47 AM) aa: walter: Idoubt a university affiliation gives us a legal entity
(09:43:47 AM) aa: no, but its expensive unless you actually do business
*(09:44:47 AM) walter: We need to help streamline these transactions, but I don't know how to avoid them except to partner with an exisiting entity
(09:43:53 AM) aa: and it will be more difficult to get support from govt
*(09:44:49 AM) pflores: let me explain
(09:44:31 AM) pflores: maybe associating the enterprise with SL could be a good strategy... but I think in this case SL may have some concerns...
*(09:44:57 AM) icarito: guys we're starting to see a pattern here - we should be on the look for something like a SFC latam
(09:44:47 AM) aa: walter: Idoubt a university affiliation gives us a legal entity
*(09:45:16 AM) aa: icarito: thats way out of scope
(09:44:47 AM) walter: We need to help streamline these transactions, but I don't know how to avoid them except to partner with an exisiting entity
*(09:45:21 AM) aa: we are not lawyers
(09:44:49 AM) pflores: let me explain
*(09:45:24 AM) icarito: perhaps some already established ngo
(09:44:57 AM) icarito: guys we're starting to see a pattern here - we should be on the look for something like a SFC latam
*(09:45:30 AM) icarito: aa i'm not suggesting we make it
(09:45:16 AM) aa: icarito: thats way out of scope
*(09:45:40 AM) icarito: i'm suggesting perhaps there's already something similar
(09:45:21 AM) aa: we are not lawyers
*(09:46:25 AM) pflores: ANII is a government agency, it helps mostly for creating innovative companies. This is a possible road. The problem with this is that we should have a business plan...
(09:45:24 AM) icarito: perhaps some already established ngo
*(09:46:27 AM) aa: FSFLA should know
(09:45:30 AM) icarito: aa i'm not suggesting we make it
*(09:46:43 AM) icarito: but in the meantime we have to deal with these issues ourselves
(09:45:40 AM) icarito: i'm suggesting perhaps there's already something similar
*(09:46:58 AM) icarito: pflores: NGO needs a business plan to
(09:46:25 AM) pflores: ANII is a government agency, it helps mostly for creating innovative companies. This is a possible road. The problem with this is that we should have a business plan...
*(09:46:59 AM) walter: So let's write a business plan...
(09:46:27 AM) aa: FSFLA should know
*(09:47:13 AM) icarito: pflores: at least if it wants to stay Busy - ness
(09:46:43 AM) icarito: but in the meantime we have to deal with these issues ourselves
*(09:47:14 AM) walter: it is easy to imagine ways to make a business here
(09:46:58 AM) icarito: pflores: NGO needs a business plan to
(09:46:59 AM) walter: So let's write a business plan...
(09:47:13 AM) icarito: pflores: at least if it wants to stay Busy - ness
(09:47:14 AM) walter: it is easy to imagine ways to make a business here
(09:47:28 AM) icarito: there is certainly a market
(09:47:28 AM) icarito: there is certainly a market
*(09:47:29 AM) pflores: On the other hand, if we have a NGO, we may not get help from ANII, but we may get more help from other companies and other governamental organizations, like LATU
*(09:47:33 AM) dirakx: and then do partnership with SL.
*(09:47:35 AM) walter: offering support, training, software services, ...
*(09:48:01 AM) aa: I´m worried about how to include the documentation, translation, and pedagogical responsabilities we talked about in a business plan
*(09:48:09 AM) tomeu1: hmm, pity we don't have people from educalibre.cl in this meeting
*(09:48:14 AM) walter: ideally, there is local company that can help set up the SL XYZ
*(09:48:46 AM) walter: @aa: why is it a worry?
*(09:49:12 AM) aa: walter: because it was defined as an integral part of a local SL
*(09:49:28 AM) icarito: business have an obligation to be for profit, is that the problem?
*(09:49:36 AM) walter: I am not understanding something here
*(09:50:01 AM) icarito: aa i also dont see the problem in those goals even if its a for profit entity
*(09:50:18 AM) aa: icarito: of course not
*(09:50:27 AM) aa: in fact, I think the business idea is very good