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<small>''This article is about the biblical God.  For the term as used to refer to any divine being, see [[Other Gods]]''</small>
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{{Graduate|All activity moved to http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/ but might have nice things to pull}}
[[Image:Alphaomega.jpg|thumb|200px|God is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last, the beginning and the ending]]
 
{{cquote|'''Genesis 1:1'''<br />In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.}}
 
{{trinity}}'''God''' is the sovereign creator and eternal ruler of all things and beings that exist, whether in the physical [[universe]] or in the spiritual realm ([[Heaven]]).  Not only is God the creator and ruler of the things and beings within those two realms, but he is also the creator of the realms themselves. God created the physical universe, and before he acted in this creation, the universe did not exist. Likewise God did with the spiritual realm.
 
  
== God is Revealed: How we know about God ==
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<noinclude>{{Translations | [[Education Team|english]] &#124; [[Education Team/lang-es|español]] &#124; [[Education Team/lang-ru|русский]]}}{{TeamHeader|Education Team}}</noinclude>
  
Other than creation itself, God is revealed in several ways, including conscience and special revelation (the bible, and prophets). Most importantly though, God is revealed in [[Jesus Christ]], who is the Son of God.
 
  
== Attributes or Character of God ==
 
The attributes of God are things that describe who he is. Similar to the way one might describe a close friend to another individual, so too do these attributes describe God's character and nature. Attributes of God include but are not limited to [[Wisdom]], [[Infinitude]], [[Sovereignty]], [[Holiness]], [[Trinity]], [[Omniscience]], [[Faithfulness]], [[Love]], [[Omnipotence]], [[Self-existence]], [[Self-sufficiency]], [[Justice]], [[Immutability]], [[Mercy]], [[Eternal]], [[Goodness]], [[Gracious]], and [[Omnipresence]]. These attributes all work in complete and perfect harmony with one another.
 
  
God exercises eternal and righteous judgment of the wicked in [[hell]], because of an inherent problem in the human heart, namely [[Sin]]. According to the [[Bible]], the sacrifice of [[Jesus Christ]] on the cross of [[calvary]] and then [[resurrection]], is God's merciful and gracious response to the problem of the human heart.
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== Mission ==
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{{:Education Team/Mission}}
  
=== God is Triune ===
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----
{{main|Trinity}}
 
  
Although the Bible does not use the term, it is clear that God is a triune God, or three in one.
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We are said to be responsible for setting the Educational goals for the Sugar Community, but this says both too much and too little. In the long run, the children have to set their educational goals, rather than those whom the accidents of history and politics have put in power. Here are some things we can do:
These are sometimes referred to as ''God the Father'', ''God the Son'' ([[Jesus Christ|Jesus]]), and the ''[[Holy Spirit]]''.
 
  
The first hint of the Trinity is in {{Bible ref|Genesis|1|26}} which relates God saying, "Let us make man in our image", indicating that God is a plurality.
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* Help to digest the very large and wide-ranging discussion about appropriate education theory (based on scientific study of children and adults, such as schoolteachers);
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* Start the discussion about appropriate education practice, based on scientific study of what works under various circumstances for what purposes;
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* Start the discussion about appropriate uses of computers in education, including software design, textbook redesign, and other content, and about what computers are good for in general;
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* Mediate between these desiderata and what is possible on the available and imminent hardware platforms, given the current and projected state of connectivity, rural electricity, the other issues and obstacles of poverty, and the current state of [[What is Sugar?|Sugar]];
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* Share lots of examples of what works (and what doesn't)—along with a discussion of how and why.
  
The three persons of God are treated as equivalents in these words of Jesus shortly after His resurrection:
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== Meeting venues ==
{{Bible quote|Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.|book=Matthew|chap=28|verses=19|version=NIV}}
 
  
==== Jesus is God ====
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'''Walter Bender reports on Feb 1, 2013 that:
  
The first verse of the [[Gospel of John]], in which Jesus is referred to as the "Word", makes clear that Jesus is synonymous with God:
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''The "education team" meets weekly here [1], [2], [3].
{{Bible quote|In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.|book=John|chap=1|verses=1|version=NIV}}
 
This verse not only says that "the Word" (Jesus) is synonymous with God, but also says that the Word was "in the beginning", which means that He existed before all else existed, something that is only true of God.
 
  
This is reinforced two verses later, in which Jesus is described as the creator.
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[1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Charlas_aprendizaje_2012
[[Genesis]] refers to God as being the Creator.
 
{{Bible quote|Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.|book=John|chap=1|verses=3|version=NIV}}
 
  
==== The Holy Spirit is God ====
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[2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Chat_Espanol_2011
  
In the following passage, the [[Holy Spirit]] is referred to as God:
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[3] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Spanish_Chat (2010)''
{{Bible quote|Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."|book=Acts|chap=5|verses=3-4|version=NIV}}
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'''
  
=== God is omniscient ===
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== Status ==
{{main|omniscience}}
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{{Iframe|collapsed=|See this '''2011 September report:''' |http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg12365.html
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|900|400|1}}
  
God knows everything:
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== Goals ==
{{Bible quote|This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.|book=1_John|chap=3|verses=19-20|version=NIV}}
 
  
Because God is outside of [[time]], He can see and knows the [[past]] and the [[future]] as well as the present.
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Concretely, we want to reach three target audiences:
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# existing OLPC deployments
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# potential Sugar on a Stick deployments (classroom teachers, parents, community centers)
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# potential non-OLPC netbook deployments (classroom teachers, parents)
  
== "God" sometimes used to refer to God the Father ==
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== Means ==
[[Image:Velasco Padre Eterno.jpg|left|140px|God the Father]]
 
In the bible, the word "God" (θεός) does not always refer to God's being as a whole, but more specifically refers to the Person of the Father (God the Father). Here are some verses which demonstrate this:
 
{{cquote|'''John 3:16''' (NASB)<br />For <u>God</u> so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten <u>Son</u>, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.}}
 
{{cquote|'''1 John 4:10''' (NASB)<br />In this is love, not that we loved <u>God</u>, but that He loved us and sent <u>His Son</u> to be the propitiation for our sins.}}
 
Notice how in each case, "Father" can be substituted for "God." For example, "For the ''Father'' so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son," and "not that we loved the ''Father'', but that He loved us and sent His Son."
 
  
== Terminology ==
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* Start the discussion on [[Talk:Education Team|what goals children have, and their families, and their communities]]. (and accept that, even if it goes against the rest, especially if the rest is theory)
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:I put this here because it is an addition, but I feel it should be the first bullet point [[User:Yamaplos|Yamaplos]] 18:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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::Moved to new Means subsection --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 16:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
  
The Bible uses several different words to refer to God.
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* Survey teachers in existing deployments (We are putting together a survey. Please [[Education Team/Survey_questions|add your questions]]
"God" itself is not a name, but an [[Old English]] word meaning ''supreme being, diety'',<ref>[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god God] Online Etymology Dictionary.</ref> which the translators who translated the Bible in to English chose as the appropriate English word for the [[Hebrew]] ''elohim'' and the [[Greek]] ''theos'' used in the [[Old Testament]] and [[New Testament]] respectively.<ref name="DPK">Kruse, Dale P.,[http://www.layevangelism.com/advtxbk/sections/sect-10/sec10-9.htm More on the ''Names'' of God In the Bible], Advanced Training Program of Evangelism.</ref>
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* [http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep It's an Education Project] mailing list. See, for example this thread, [http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05330.html Physics education] that draws in several authentic observations and potential activities.
  
The other main term for God is the Hebrew ''adonai'', usually translated ''Lord''.
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==Mailing Lists==
There are various compound words also used in the Bible, such as ''el shaddai'', which means ''God Almighty'' ("''el''" is a short version of ''elohim'').<ref name="DPK" />
 
  
''YHWH'' is given in the Bible as God's actual nameIn most English Bibles it is translated as <span style="font-variant:small-caps">''Lord''</span>, in small capitalsThe name has various other English versions, including Yehovah, Jehovah, and Yahweh.<ref>McHyde, Tim, [http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/yahweh.htm God’s Name: LORD, Yahweh, Yahveh, YHWH, YHVH, Jehovah or Yehovah?]</ref>
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'''Most people interested in the stated mission of the Education Team should take part in the ''IAEP ("It's An Education Project") Mailing List''[http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep], whose archives[http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/] date from May 2008 and continue at least to the time of this writing, February 2013.'''
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- [[User:Docdtv|Docdtv]] 19:42, 1 February 2013 (EST)
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==Meetings==
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We held an inaugural Education Team meeting on Friday, 6 March, at 15 UTC (10 EST) on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting but we realize that the meeting time was not ideal, especially for teachers. Please add [[Education Team/Meeting_times|your preferred meeting time]] to the list we are accumulating.
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''06 March 2009''
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* [http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2009-03-06 Log of the 2009-03-06 meeting]
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* [[Education Team/Meetings/2009-03-06|Summary of the 2009-03-06 meeting]]
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==Commentary==
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If I may add, as a teacher, the vast numbers of teachers, at least in the US and Russia, that I have encountered, are not sufficiently interested/ skilled/ convinced that the tools you are offering, no matter how 'free and great' they may be will be of any use unless it is super simple.
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Your words resonant deeply with what I wrote at the OLPC Wiki several years ago [http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Teaching%2C_Institutional_and_Professional_Barriers here].
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I am gratified to see a working teacher speak eloquently to these issues, as you do.
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- [[User:Docdtv|Docdtv]]
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IRC chat lines? For teachers? You've got to be kidding... How many teachers do I know that don't how to SMS or even know what SMS means? IRC? You are speaking to a teeny tiny tiny fraction of teachers via that channel... Teachers are like most people, overworked, underpaid, and very conscious of _not wanting to create more work for themselves_. The way Sugar is being communicated _sounds like Sugar is more work_... but then again, most teachers don't want to hear what you are saying anyway...
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Most teachers are just concerned with getting through the, very difficult, day. To get this project onto the minds of teachers then it must come from parents and students and admins telling teachers that this is what must happen. Teachers, for the most part, are unionized. They DON'T have to do anything once attaining tenure. Unions will protect the most incompetent do nothing teachers right up to sexual or physical abuse of a child. Constructivist Cognitive development is far down the list of concerns for a third year teacher. They probably have tenure by then. They may have come into teaching, full of energy and ready to make changes, thinking they'll do the right thing... after the third year, it's all about survival for the school year ahead...
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I've personally offered to many teachers to set up [http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome LTSP networks] for them and NOT ONE ever accepted the offer though the evidence of students' superior performance, better cognition and behavior, and superior skill set of the LTSP students versus all the other students was clearly evident. Most teachers _have no reason to change_, no matter how good something may be... if it is not perfectly prepackaged and EASY enough to give to a kid to do if they've finished their homework early...
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student: "Ms. Johnson, I've finished my homework..."
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  Ms Johsnon: "OK, Johnny, see those laptops over there? Set them up with Sugar for tomorrow's class".
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If Sugar is NOT that easy, then you'll only ever get a few hardcore "fighting for the good cause" teachers to use Sugar or any other computer platform. Essentially, though, if a teacher knows how to use a computer, they won't be working as teachers for very long...
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To get Sugar in a class in the United States, at least, is going to come from private schools, and parents who are savvy enough to understand the arcane language of most of this site...The opening line on this [http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/Installing page] would leave most teachers scratching their heads. The writer's of that document expected what, someone who knows what 'OLPC-XO laptop' or 'Gnu/Linux' or any of that means? They want step 1, 2, 3 done. Don't scare them off with a lot of technical background and geekified mumbo-jumbo! And all that talk about downloading and burning .ISOs and formatting USBs... please. Your target audience (the teachers) is terrified of computers and technology.
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If this project wants deeper acceptance in the community then show that it is CHILD'S PLAY to get it working. One click install and walkaway. If you have to stay with SOAS, then get a video of a kid performing the process of setting  up Sugar on a Stick. But even that will get adults to say something like... "Oh, those kids today, I could never do that!" I've heard that, from teachers!
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I try to document your claims with an essay on K-6 computing created early 2009 [http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gahchs/schools/SandersMA/K-6computing.htm here].
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I also try to stoke envy among parents, making generous use of Youtube video. - [[User:Docdtv|Docdtv]]
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Most importantly, to get Sugar traction in schools, make it easy for kids to publish their genius works via video and etc. Get screencasting as part of nearly every activity. Hook on to youtube's [http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/overview.html API] or [http://www.vimeo.com/api vimeo's API] or something like that so that kids will show other kids how __cool__ they are... Adults want Sugar because it should make their kids smarter better problem solvers, more likely to survive the hard world, etc. The real trick is to _make kid's want Sugar_. It can be done a lot of ways but the biggest reason for kids is because it can help them generate/build/maintain/ grow/improve their 'cool' factor among their friends at their schools. How? By posting their latest SUGAR success on a publicly available media channel i.e. youtube, vimeo, etc. for all their very hip and connected friends to see online.
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Look at the Youtube videos produced by kids doing their work. It's clearly evident that they are doing the 'hard stuff' of thinking and problem solving because at the end, at least for some/most, their friends will say, "Cool!".
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I recently came back to look at SL after a long hiatus to check on progress. Almost
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the first thing I did was add [[Marketing_Team#Video_channels]] to proposed marketing
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projects, which reiterates your call for videos, especially anxiety-stilling demos.
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  (I was told there is a "religious" objection to using YouTube, despite its marvelous
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SYNDICATION potential, since it does not use an open codec, as does Daily motion. I
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answered that SL should be THANKFUL if someone downloads any Daily motion videos SL
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creates and transcodes them for reposting on YouTube as well!) It really starts to
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sound like you should work on the Marketing Team. - [[User:Docdtv|Docdtv]] 02:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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Let's make it easy for kids to get that cool factor using Sugar... then Sugar will get traction among the very complacent teachers...
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===in the meantime make it easy for the motivated===
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A [http://wubi-installer.org/ wubi] like dual boot option at startup with a simple downloader tool that pulls the needed Sugar parts onto the harddrive so that those who have old Windows machines can pull a Wubi like Sugar install and walk away while it does its thing... SoaS is a great idea but way too labor intensive (and temperamental in my experience) for anyone thinking big like 30+ machines old Windows machines, which by the way are cheap and widely available. And, as noted on the IRC, USB sticks are notoriously temperamental and prone to corruption.
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===Soas thoughts===
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I can hear the students now... "My USB stick ate my homework!" And then the parents start calling. And the administrators get involved... no teacher wants those kinds of variables in their class and will actively work against such chaos. There's chaos enough in the classroom without malfunctioning technology... right? Work some tech magic, if there is an internet connection then [http://www.samba.org/rsync/ rsync] or whatever the students' last changed work. Google Gears? Some other subscription animal? Make that an option... bluetooth it where possible into common file names. Something, anything, to back up the student work as grades are riding on that work... and parents and administrators go BALLISTIC/POSTAL when a student gets a bad grade because they didn't turn 'in their work because the XYZ techno system didn't work'. I've been at the front of a few of those blasts and its enough to want to quit teaching... who needs the hassle? Again, this is why computers have not been embraced in the classroom. Too many variables not enough reason to introduce all of this chaos, the costs out weigh the benefits.
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Go run a working school computer lab one for awhile, talk to a public school administrator... you'll know/hear what I'm talking about. Noone willingly creates more work for themselves unless they see it saves gobs of energy or time elsewhere or blows test scores out of the water... SoaS doesn't offer any of that yet, IMHO.
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What is it with flash-based thumb drives? In the previous decade, I went through
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several of them as they successively died off in turn. This led to the practice
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of using a PAIR, so that when one dies, the "RAIDed twin" provides a fail-safe.
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Some people recommend periodic reformatting as a means to obviate failures. Has
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the problem finally been solved? I have not had a disaster for a long time now.
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- [[User:Docdtv|Docdtv]]
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Make Sugar homework safe, easy to use, and keep it simple for Aunt Tilly to understand and install.
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===idealized===
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The ideal school computer set up is easy to install,<b>minimizes</b> variables, and maximizes ease of use and power.
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--[[User:Dennis Daniels|Dennis Daniels]] 15:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  
 
==See also==
 
==See also==
*[[Other gods]]
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* [[Education Team/Theory and practce|Theory and practice]]
*[[Atheism]]
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* [[Education Team/Lesson Plan resources|Lesson-plan resources]]
*[[Christianity in Conservapedia]]
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* [[Education Team/Education_Bibliographies|Education bibliography]]
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* [http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Marvin_Minsky_essays Marvin Minksy essays]
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* [http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/ Learning evolves – Bill Kerr]
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* [[Education Team/Creating textbooks|Creating textbooks]]
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* [[Education Team/Curriculum|Curriculum]]
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== Subpages ==
  
== References ==
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{{Special:PrefixIndex/Education_Team/}}
{{Reflist|2}}
 
  
==External links==
 
*[http://www.theopedia.com/God Theopedia - God]
 
*[http://christiananswers.net/dictionary/god.html ChristianAnswers.net - God]
 
*[http://wikible.org/en/God Wikible.org - God]
 
*[http://www.opposingviews.com/questions/is-there-a-god Opposing Views: Is There a God?]
 
  
[[Category:Christianity]]
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[[Category:Education Team]]
[[Category:Divine Beings]]
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Mission

The mission of the education team is to explain why Sugar is an ideal platform for learning, and to provide guidance and feedback to those who are working on how Sugar enhances learning.



We are said to be responsible for setting the Educational goals for the Sugar Community, but this says both too much and too little. In the long run, the children have to set their educational goals, rather than those whom the accidents of history and politics have put in power. Here are some things we can do:

  • Help to digest the very large and wide-ranging discussion about appropriate education theory (based on scientific study of children and adults, such as schoolteachers);
  • Start the discussion about appropriate education practice, based on scientific study of what works under various circumstances for what purposes;
  • Start the discussion about appropriate uses of computers in education, including software design, textbook redesign, and other content, and about what computers are good for in general;
  • Mediate between these desiderata and what is possible on the available and imminent hardware platforms, given the current and projected state of connectivity, rural electricity, the other issues and obstacles of poverty, and the current state of Sugar;
  • Share lots of examples of what works (and what doesn't)—along with a discussion of how and why.

Meeting venues

Walter Bender reports on Feb 1, 2013 that:

The "education team" meets weekly here [1], [2], [3].

[1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Charlas_aprendizaje_2012

[2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Chat_Espanol_2011

[3] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Spanish_Chat (2010)

Status

See this 2011 September report:

Goals

Concretely, we want to reach three target audiences:

  1. existing OLPC deployments
  2. potential Sugar on a Stick deployments (classroom teachers, parents, community centers)
  3. potential non-OLPC netbook deployments (classroom teachers, parents)

Means

I put this here because it is an addition, but I feel it should be the first bullet point Yamaplos 18:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Moved to new Means subsection --Walter 16:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Mailing Lists

Most people interested in the stated mission of the Education Team should take part in the IAEP ("It's An Education Project") Mailing List[1], whose archives[2] date from May 2008 and continue at least to the time of this writing, February 2013. - Docdtv 19:42, 1 February 2013 (EST)

Meetings

We held an inaugural Education Team meeting on Friday, 6 March, at 15 UTC (10 EST) on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting but we realize that the meeting time was not ideal, especially for teachers. Please add your preferred meeting time to the list we are accumulating.

06 March 2009

Commentary

If I may add, as a teacher, the vast numbers of teachers, at least in the US and Russia, that I have encountered, are not sufficiently interested/ skilled/ convinced that the tools you are offering, no matter how 'free and great' they may be will be of any use unless it is super simple.

Your words resonant deeply with what I wrote at the OLPC Wiki several years ago here.
I am gratified to see a working teacher speak eloquently to these issues, as you do.
- Docdtv

IRC chat lines? For teachers? You've got to be kidding... How many teachers do I know that don't how to SMS or even know what SMS means? IRC? You are speaking to a teeny tiny tiny fraction of teachers via that channel... Teachers are like most people, overworked, underpaid, and very conscious of _not wanting to create more work for themselves_. The way Sugar is being communicated _sounds like Sugar is more work_... but then again, most teachers don't want to hear what you are saying anyway...

Most teachers are just concerned with getting through the, very difficult, day. To get this project onto the minds of teachers then it must come from parents and students and admins telling teachers that this is what must happen. Teachers, for the most part, are unionized. They DON'T have to do anything once attaining tenure. Unions will protect the most incompetent do nothing teachers right up to sexual or physical abuse of a child. Constructivist Cognitive development is far down the list of concerns for a third year teacher. They probably have tenure by then. They may have come into teaching, full of energy and ready to make changes, thinking they'll do the right thing... after the third year, it's all about survival for the school year ahead...

I've personally offered to many teachers to set up LTSP networks for them and NOT ONE ever accepted the offer though the evidence of students' superior performance, better cognition and behavior, and superior skill set of the LTSP students versus all the other students was clearly evident. Most teachers _have no reason to change_, no matter how good something may be... if it is not perfectly prepackaged and EASY enough to give to a kid to do if they've finished their homework early...

student: "Ms. Johnson, I've finished my homework..."
Ms Johsnon: "OK, Johnny, see those laptops over there? Set them up with Sugar for tomorrow's class".

If Sugar is NOT that easy, then you'll only ever get a few hardcore "fighting for the good cause" teachers to use Sugar or any other computer platform. Essentially, though, if a teacher knows how to use a computer, they won't be working as teachers for very long...

To get Sugar in a class in the United States, at least, is going to come from private schools, and parents who are savvy enough to understand the arcane language of most of this site...The opening line on this page would leave most teachers scratching their heads. The writer's of that document expected what, someone who knows what 'OLPC-XO laptop' or 'Gnu/Linux' or any of that means? They want step 1, 2, 3 done. Don't scare them off with a lot of technical background and geekified mumbo-jumbo! And all that talk about downloading and burning .ISOs and formatting USBs... please. Your target audience (the teachers) is terrified of computers and technology.

If this project wants deeper acceptance in the community then show that it is CHILD'S PLAY to get it working. One click install and walkaway. If you have to stay with SOAS, then get a video of a kid performing the process of setting up Sugar on a Stick. But even that will get adults to say something like... "Oh, those kids today, I could never do that!" I've heard that, from teachers!

I try to document your claims with an essay on K-6 computing created early 2009 here.
I also try to stoke envy among parents, making generous use of Youtube video. - Docdtv

Most importantly, to get Sugar traction in schools, make it easy for kids to publish their genius works via video and etc. Get screencasting as part of nearly every activity. Hook on to youtube's API or vimeo's API or something like that so that kids will show other kids how __cool__ they are... Adults want Sugar because it should make their kids smarter better problem solvers, more likely to survive the hard world, etc. The real trick is to _make kid's want Sugar_. It can be done a lot of ways but the biggest reason for kids is because it can help them generate/build/maintain/ grow/improve their 'cool' factor among their friends at their schools. How? By posting their latest SUGAR success on a publicly available media channel i.e. youtube, vimeo, etc. for all their very hip and connected friends to see online.

Look at the Youtube videos produced by kids doing their work. It's clearly evident that they are doing the 'hard stuff' of thinking and problem solving because at the end, at least for some/most, their friends will say, "Cool!".

I recently came back to look at SL after a long hiatus to check on progress. Almost
the first thing I did was add Marketing_Team#Video_channels to proposed marketing
projects, which reiterates your call for videos, especially anxiety-stilling demos.
(I was told there is a "religious" objection to using YouTube, despite its marvelous
SYNDICATION potential, since it does not use an open codec, as does Daily motion. I
answered that SL should be THANKFUL if someone downloads any Daily motion videos SL
creates and transcodes them for reposting on YouTube as well!) It really starts to
sound like you should work on the Marketing Team. - Docdtv 02:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Let's make it easy for kids to get that cool factor using Sugar... then Sugar will get traction among the very complacent teachers...

in the meantime make it easy for the motivated

A wubi like dual boot option at startup with a simple downloader tool that pulls the needed Sugar parts onto the harddrive so that those who have old Windows machines can pull a Wubi like Sugar install and walk away while it does its thing... SoaS is a great idea but way too labor intensive (and temperamental in my experience) for anyone thinking big like 30+ machines old Windows machines, which by the way are cheap and widely available. And, as noted on the IRC, USB sticks are notoriously temperamental and prone to corruption.

Soas thoughts

I can hear the students now... "My USB stick ate my homework!" And then the parents start calling. And the administrators get involved... no teacher wants those kinds of variables in their class and will actively work against such chaos. There's chaos enough in the classroom without malfunctioning technology... right? Work some tech magic, if there is an internet connection then rsync or whatever the students' last changed work. Google Gears? Some other subscription animal? Make that an option... bluetooth it where possible into common file names. Something, anything, to back up the student work as grades are riding on that work... and parents and administrators go BALLISTIC/POSTAL when a student gets a bad grade because they didn't turn 'in their work because the XYZ techno system didn't work'. I've been at the front of a few of those blasts and its enough to want to quit teaching... who needs the hassle? Again, this is why computers have not been embraced in the classroom. Too many variables not enough reason to introduce all of this chaos, the costs out weigh the benefits.

Go run a working school computer lab one for awhile, talk to a public school administrator... you'll know/hear what I'm talking about. Noone willingly creates more work for themselves unless they see it saves gobs of energy or time elsewhere or blows test scores out of the water... SoaS doesn't offer any of that yet, IMHO.

What is it with flash-based thumb drives? In the previous decade, I went through
several of them as they successively died off in turn. This led to the practice
of using a PAIR, so that when one dies, the "RAIDed twin" provides a fail-safe.
Some people recommend periodic reformatting as a means to obviate failures. Has
the problem finally been solved? I have not had a disaster for a long time now.
- Docdtv

Make Sugar homework safe, easy to use, and keep it simple for Aunt Tilly to understand and install.

idealized

The ideal school computer set up is easy to install,minimizes variables, and maximizes ease of use and power. --Dennis Daniels 15:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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