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<vaibhavdaren> hi :D<br />
<octamois> jaskirat : Have a safe journey, shine like a sun at summit :)<br />
<jaskirat> hi<br />
<jaskirat> <octamois> Thanks a lot man<br />
<Hrishi_> Do share a blog jaskirat<br />
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<jaskirat> <Hrishi_> yeah sure<br />
<avinashbharti97> jaskirat: happy journey :D<br />
<eohomegrownapps> walterbender: sorry I won't be able to make the meeting (my piano lesson starts now) - I'll check the logs afterwards<br />
<jaskirat> <avinashbharti97>Thanks a lot<br />
<rishabh42_> hey everyone<br />
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<walterbender> hi<br />
<samsongoddy> Hello<br />
<sidhantb> Hello!<br />
<Hrishi_> Hello everyone<br />
<walterbender> so...<br />
<walterbender> welcome to GCI 2018<br />
<samsongoddy> Yay!<br />
<walterbender> we have a very short runway this year.<br />
<Hrishi_> ibiam, walterbender : thanks for preponing meeting<br />
<walterbender> the contest begins in just 2 weeks.<br />
<jaskirat> yes<br />
<Hrishi_> :)<br />
<ibiam> hi everyone<br />
<walterbender> I think that everyone is set up now on the GCI site. We can start adding tasks there directly.<br />
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<rishabh42_> +1<br />
<jaskirat> +1<br />
<walterbender> (They will not be visible to the students.)<br />
<jaskirat> that sounds perfect<br />
<walterbender> A few things to keep in mind:<br />
<amanharitsh123> Hey Everyone , sorry I am late :|<br />
<walterbender> There will be a link included on EVERY task to a background page I wrote up in the wiki.<br />
<walterbender> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2018/background<br />
<walterbender> please help improve it<br />
<walterbender> It covers general info like IRC, git, etc.<br />
<walterbender> Also, we have (as usual) a beginner task to walk people through the Sugar Labs pull request process<br />
<walterbender> I've already added that one.<br />
<walterbender> So you can assume that people will know how to make a PR, which should be the gold standard for all tasks.<br />
<jaskirat> +1<br />
<walterbender> Please try to be as clear as possible in describing a task<br />
<walterbender> and add a link to any relevant github issues where appropriate<br />
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<walterbender> We can have design tasks, programming tasks, research tasks, etc<br />
<ibiam> and also create tasks that are time bound .ie. could be completed with 3-4 days<br />
<walterbender> 3 days is the minimum. Some tasks may take longer.<br />
<walterbender> I usually think of the days as a way of indicating difficulty level.<br />
<ibiam> yeah<br />
<walterbender> But a complex task is best broken into smaller pieces.<br />
<Ritwik> The students are evaluated based on quantity and quality both so there must be some beginner tasks<br />
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<Hrishi_> Okay, is there the data dump available for GCI2017?<br />
<walterbender> For example, we made about 5 tasks out of rewriting the Music Blocks server last year.<br />
<sum2it> Apologies, I'm 10 minutes late.<br />
<Hrishi_> Ritwik: there will be beginner tasks like creating a PR, setting up sugar etc<br />
<walterbender> I have a data dump on my laptop.<br />
<walterbender> I am not sure how much purpose it serves as most tasks were specific to issues.<br />
<ibiam> Ritwik: quality counts over quantity<br />
<Hrishi_> walterbender: please share, it helped me add tasks last time, now that we are not using GCI API<br />
<sum2it> I wanted to ask about MB too!<br />
<rishabh42_> yeah, me to<br />
<walterbender> We can have many MB tasks :)<br />
<rishabh42_> too*<br />
<jaskirat> <sum2it>yeah sure<br />
<walterbender> The dump is an individual JSON file for each task... a bit unwieldy<br />
<walterbender> Id there something in particular you are looking for?<br />
<walterbender> There is a bulk uploader BTW<br />
<sum2it> I'll happily see over any MB tasks that required to be done. Please share the JSON whenever you feel so.<br />
<walterbender> we could autogenerate a task for each open issue on GH and bulk load them<br />
<walterbender> But we need to cull them carefully<br />
<ibiam> yeah<br />
<Hrishi_> walterbender: we can use bulk uploader for CSV that we are using right now<br />
<walterbender> to make sure (1) the issue is current (2) clear (3) and has mentors<br />
<walterbender> Hrishi_, yeah... but is it worth it? <br />
<Hrishi_> We can do with Ghub API like Ignacio and I helped last time<br />
<walterbender> If you want, up load them<br />
<walterbender> but they all need very extensive editing before we can publish them<br />
<Hrishi_> If we can manually add no, but if we want everyone to add tasks first, then it's fine<br />
<ibiam> walterbender: in autogenerating tasks with open issues, some issues are dated quite some time ago<br />
<Hrishi_> Also, about the data dumps, it'd be great to show newer mentors how submissions of MB and other tasks should be.<br />
<sum2it> We can publish only what you feel strongly aligned with.<br />
<walterbender> I think if everyone loaded the tasks they wrote up (using the CSV upload or by hand) and marked that the task has been uploaded...<br />
<ibiam> walterbender: would these be selected first before uploading?<br />
* Hrishi_ I will add more tasks after 8th when my mid semester gets over :)<br />
<walterbender> I will go through every task before publishing them<br />
<sum2it> And some issues didn't reach a conclusion, like the temperament one.<br />
<walterbender> The other thing I am concerned about it mentoring<br />
<walterbender> I really want multiple mentors per task<br />
<walterbender> a task with just one mentor will not get published.<br />
<walterbender> but also, we need to be very strict about accepting student work.<br />
<walterbender> We have to be consistent<br />
<sum2it> I'll volunteer for almost every task that is within my capabilities. I assume Jaskirat would do so too , maybe.<br />
<walterbender> which means, in the beginning, I will ask that each of you contact me when you think a task is complete<br />
<rishabh42_> sure, that sounds good<br />
<walterbender> Once we get aligned, I will "grant" you more autonomy.<br />
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<sidhantb> +1<br />
<sum2it> +1<br />
<jaskirat> <sum2it> sure<br />
<octamois> +1<br />
<perrie> hello<br />
<vaibhavdaren> +1<br />
<perrie> sorry I'm late<br />
<walterbender> But also, please remember this is ultimately about the students learning and having fun.<br />
<walterbender> So be helpful and thoughtful and fun.<br />
<rishabh42_> +1<br />
<walterbender> It would be great if we could get a 100 or so tasks written up in the next week or so.<br />
<ibiam> yeah<br />
<walterbender> And then we keep adding as the contest goes on.<br />
<Ritwik> How to decide which task gets published<br />
<walterbender> One thing: there is a "bug" in the GCI software. Admins don't get a notification when a new task is added.<br />
<walterbender> So if you want Ibiam or I to look at your task, please send us a link.<br />
<octamois> +1<br />
<walterbender> @Ritwik, I look for clarity, relevance, and whether it is doable.<br />
<sidhantb> Should we first type out a task on a secondary medium like email or google docs and then share it with you and Ibiam or directly add it to the GCI software?<br />
<walterbender> Be verbose in your descriptions<br />
<walterbender> and include links for more info<br />
<walterbender> @sidhantb, I prefer to work with the GCI interface, so we know what it will look like in the system.<br />
<walterbender> (You can use limited Markdown, including [foo](link) for links<br />
<sidhantb> Alright.<br />
<octamois> How will multiple mentors be allotted same task, if one mentor is adding specific task?<br />
<ibiam> you can assign yourself to any task you want to<br />
<walterbender> remember, the tasks should have some relevance to Sugar Labs, which means some relevance to the application of Software Libre to learning.<br />
<walterbender> We can have as many mentors per task as we want.<br />
<ibiam> sidhantb: you can also use ``` for code<br />
<ibiam> if you want to include any in the tasak<br />
<rishabh42_> octamois, you can individually choose which task you want to mentor if it shows on the list regardless of who created it<br />
<ibiam> task<br />
<octamois> Ok, rishabh42_<br />
<sum2it> Anyone else who is mentoring with music blocks background?<br />
<walterbender> FWIW, just pointing to an issue in GH is not a good task. You should include a brief description and tag with relevant skills, e.g., Python, JS, design, etc.<br />
<rishabh42_> I would like to get started with contributing to MB as well<br />
<rishabh42_> sum2it, ^^<br />
<walterbender> and make sure that the issues you point to are clearly articulated. Many are pretty sketchy.<br />
<sum2it> Have you gone through the MB code @rishabh42_?<br />
<walterbender> There are almost 200 open issues for MB alone<br />
<walterbender> so no shortage of things to do.<br />
<sum2it> Alright.<br />
<walterbender> I've been on a tear trying to get things ready for the Japan deployment.<br />
<rishabh42_> walterbender, sure. I spoke to Hrishi_ about this earlier this week<br />
<walterbender> They have lots of new features that they'd like down the road as well.. perfect for GCI tasks.<br />
<sum2it> Please let me know if any kind of help is needed @walterbender<br />
<sidhantb> walterbender: I recently saw a few organisations following a strict specification(templates) for their issues which are pretty through. Would something like that make sense for SL as a whole to implement or individual projects?<br />
<walterbender> Would be great to keep the momentum going from the summer re Python3 and GTK3<br />
<jaskirat> sounds good also book for india market, walterbender<br />
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<walterbender> sidhantb, It is not likely to happen...<br />
<walterbender> but we could/should do better about tags.<br />
<ibiam> walterbender: python3 port for activities?<br />
<rishabh42_> sum2it, I've gone through the project and repo, yet to get involved with contributing though..was caught up with some other projects<br />
<walterbender> Documentation is a acceptable task.<br />
<walterbender> ibiam, that is a valid task<br />
<walterbender> I think it would be best to make a separate task for each activity that needs to be ported.<br />
<sum2it> @rishabh42_ no worries, we need to test MB extensively. Can you help with that before GCI starts?<br />
<walterbender> it is easier for the students that way.<br />
<ibiam> yeah<br />
<Hrishi_> We can also have blog and outreach tasks, it must not be a boring task though<br />
<rishabh42_> sum2it, sure!<br />
<walterbender> We could make 3 tasks: (1) find all the activities that still need gtk3 porting; (2) find all the activities that still need Pyhton3 porting; (30 find all the activities where the git history is missing.<br />
<walterbender> We can use the results of those 3 tasks to create many many more tasks :P<br />
<rishabh42_> I'll also check the RPi image if there's anything required that can be accomplished via GCI<br />
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<walterbender> +1<br />
<sum2it> @walterbender Clever! +1<br />
<rishabh42_> walterbender, +1<br />
<Hrishi_> A reference for what needs porting https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/787<br />
<sidhantb> I wanted to talk about Design tasks. I have some ideas regarding tasks which range from social media to our core design documentation. I want the students to feel that what they've made is being used by SL, be it designing social media posts(which do get used, maybe a separate design guide for it) or making something following the spec. Like from my experience last year I got immense satisfaction when I saw my blog post bein<br />
<amanharitsh123> rishabh42_ Possibly could work on my script to improve performance<br />
<amanharitsh123> and on your script to refractor code , like I did during GSoC :)<br />
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<sum2it> Can we have testing tasks in GCI?<br />
<yashagrawal3> Will updated tasks related to gtk3 port.<br />
<rishabh42_> Yeah amanharitsh123 , by RPi I meant all the projects pertaining to it :)<br />
<walterbender> One last thing... let's use sugar-devel for our communication unless there is a private matter that needs to be discussed.<br />
<walterbender> testing (and writing tests) is a fine task for GCI<br />
<rishabh42_> +1<br />
<octamois> +1<br />
<sum2it> Alright.<br />
<amaan_iqbal> +1<br />
<amanharitsh123> walterbender +1<br />
<walterbender> any other questions for the moment?<br />
<avinashbharti97> walterbender: which are the major projects to be focused on?<br />
<walterbender> avinashbharti97, anything to do with the Sugar Desktop, Music and Turtle Blocks, Sugarizer and Primero<br />
<walterbender> and various platform plays, like RPi<br />
<sum2it> Anyone else overseeing/mentoring MB tasks apart from you?<br />
<walterbender> Another nice task are is in developing lesson plans or activities around Sugar<br />
<sidhantb> What about outreach?<br />
<avinashbharti97> walterbender: I was planning to go with sugarlabs social project too ..<br />
<walterbender> sum2it, Devin among others<br />
<sum2it> Oh great!<br />
<walterbender> 2-3 from the Japan team<br />
<sum2it> Alright.<br />
<walterbender> Euan<br />
<walterbender> avinashbharti97, that is fine<br />
<walterbender> Marketing materials...<br />
<walterbender> classroom visits/workshops<br />
<rishabh42_> walterbender, just a side note, should we also work on publishing the Sugar image on Raspberrypi.org?<br />
<walterbender> just not translation<br />
<jaskirat> that sounds perfect<br />
<walterbender> that is not allowed.<br />
<walterbender> So... I think we all have lots to do in preparation.<br />
<walterbender> Remember to have fun.<br />
<walterbender> and learn a lot.<br />
<sum2it> +1<br />
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<sidhantb> +1<br />
<vaibhavdaren> +1<br />
<amaan_iqbal> +1<br />
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<avinashbharti97> +1<br />
<rishabh42_> +1<br />
<octamois> +1<br />
<amaan_iqbal> BTW are we going to go with IRC only for GCI chats with students?<br />
<ibiam> IRC and the comments section in the GCI website<br />
<ibiam> each task has a comment section for tasks<br />
<avinashbharti97> walterbender: should the info about the creation of new task is shared on sugar-devel or personally with you and ibiam?<br />
<amaan_iqbal> okay<br />
<sum2it> Also, where will the guidelines for the standard of approving the tasks shared?<br />
<sum2it> Since everyone will have to uphold to the same standard.<br />
<jaskirat> ?<br />
<eohomegrownapps> walterbender, hi<br />
<eohomegrownapps> (piano lesson over)<br />
<ibiam> I have to go<br />
<eohomegrownapps> is there anything in particular that I should note with regards to mentoring?<br />
<ibiam> bye everyone<br />
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<sum2it> Are we done here?<br />
<sidhantb> I guess.<br />
<sum2it> @walterbender Whenever you see this please share the guidelines on developer mailing list. Thank you!<br />
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<walterbender> sum2it, The bottom line is: would you merge the PR?<br />
<walterbender> sum2it, the expectation is the same level of quality we expect from developers <br />
<sum2it> Alright, got it.<br />
<walterbender> eohomegrownapps, have you seen all the recent changes to MB?<br />
<walterbender> serious overhaul<br />
<walterbender> all positive, I think<br />
<eohomegrownapps> ooh nice<br />
<eohomegrownapps> haven't had time recently (school's been very busy)<br />
<walterbender> I've been pretty busy too...<br />
<eohomegrownapps> but I'll take a look in a few hours<br />
<walterbender> eohomegrownapps, love your feedback<br />
<eohomegrownapps> (just out of interest, how's your day job going?)<br />
<eohomegrownapps> also regarding the creation of tasks:<br />
<eohomegrownapps> I seem to remember you saying something about creating tasks for a Git backend to the planet<br />
<eohomegrownapps> is this something I should do? what would you want from the backend?<br />
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<walterbender> eohomegrownapps, write up anything you think would be interesting<br />
<walterbender> but try to make bitesized pieces<br />
<eohomegrownapps> will do<br />
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<ifeanyi_> Hi all, good day.<br />
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<walterbender> hi ifeanyi_ <br />
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<walterbender> any SLOB members here?<br />
<walterbender> samsongoddy, ?<br />
<walterbender> elverma, ?<br />
<samsongoddy> Hello<br />
<walterbender> hi<br />
<walterbender> no quorum<br />
<walterbender> and no one except you and I responded to the email motion.<br />
<samsongoddy> Yeah<br />
<walterbender> I think it is time to gear up for an election to vote in a new board that actually is interested in participating.<br />
<samsongoddy> +1<br />
<samsongoddy> I agree<br />
<walterbender> I'll send an email reminding SLOB members to please vote.<br />
<aaguirre_> hi<br />
<walterbender> And another to the community looking for candidates<br />
<samsongoddy> Agreed too<br />
<walterbender> How was your US trip? Looked great in the photos<br />
<walterbender> ^^ aaguirre_ <br />
<walterbender> samsongoddy, I think I will look up the stats on meeting attendance over the past few years by some of our long-time board members... it won't be pretty :P<br />
<samsongoddy> There is alot the Board need to do<br />
<walterbender> yes... but apparently 1 hour a month -- scheduled well in advance -- is too much of a commitment for our peers :(<br />
<samsongoddy> Yeah<br />
<samsongoddy> Maybe it is time we ask for commitment<br />
<aaguirre_> it was great! :-)<br />
<walterbender> I wouldn't care except the SFC won't let us do anything without the board vote.<br />
<walterbender> samsongoddy, the commitment is implicit. everyone knows the rules<br />
<samsongoddy> You are right<br />
<walterbender> samsongoddy, anything else for today?<br />
<walterbender> aaguirre_, check out the latest Music Blocks... lots-of-fun<br />
<samsongoddy> Nothing really. I wanted to discuss about sugar labs vision<br />
<samsongoddy> And goals<br />
<samsongoddy> But i guess<br />
<jaskirat> hi<br />
<samsongoddy> We long propose goals<br />
<samsongoddy> But currently we are working on just 30%<br />
<samsongoddy> Of what was written down<br />
<samsongoddy> I think those goals needs to be agreed on<br />
<walterbender> samsongoddy, you and jaskirat should come up with a new marketing team agenda...<br />
<samsongoddy> I am working on that<br />
<samsongoddy> I am looking at Sean's previous plan<br />
<samsongoddy> Soas<br />
<jaskirat> <walterbender> thanks i am on it making some plans<br />
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<walterbender> Let's cast a wide net first... and then narrow the scope.<br />
<ibiam> Hi<br />
<samsongoddy> Agreed<br />
<samsongoddy> Ssoc<br />
<samsongoddy> ?<br />
<samsongoddy> Is that gonna be a thing as we discussed?<br />
<walterbender> What is Ssoc?<br />
<samsongoddy> Sugar Labs Summer of Code<br />
<samsongoddy> The one you mentioned<br />
<samsongoddy> Some meetings back<br />
<walterbender> OK. I didn't recognize the acronym<br />
<samsongoddy> I also plan to bring bac Sugar Labs ambassadors<br />
<samsongoddy> *back<br />
<samsongoddy> A group of advocates<br />
<walterbender> Given that we have 12 interns from Google last year--about as many as we could find mentors for, adding another program is a bit sketchy<br />
<walterbender> Ambassadors could be a good idea... but we need to spell out what it really means.<br />
<ifeanyi_> Hi all, a bit late.<br />
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<walterbender> I'll post the log in the wiki.<br />
<walterbender> Meanwhile, anyone with GCI ideas, please share them on Sugar Devel<br />
<walterbender> or directly with Ibiam and me.<br />
<samsongoddy> It has a document on the wiki<br />
<jaskirat> okay sure<br />
<samsongoddy> I will with you later<br />
<ifeanyi_> Okay @walterbender<br />
<walterbender> anything else for today?<br />
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<jaskirat> <walterbender> is motion up ?<br />
<jaskirat> i guess time is sensitive<br />
<samsongoddy> Not from me<br />
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<walterbender> jaskirat, no one showed to vote except the two of us who already voted.<br />
<walterbender> I will send another email.<br />
<ibiam> I'm a little lost<br />
<ibiam> Network issues<br />
<ibiam> What are we voting on<br />
<jaskirat> okay thanks a lot , i guess if approved then sfc should not take another couple of days to make it move<br />
<ifeanyi_> Are the emails tracked? Like number of opens, so we know the stats, if they are ignoring it or yet to access the mail<br />
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<GrannieB_> Well... that is definitely a barrier to participation by people not familiar with irc. The most obtuse instructions I have ever seen<br />
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<GrannieB_> OK so is this the meeting or not???<br />
<ifeanyi_> Yes it is the meeting @GrannieB_<br />
<ibiam> GrannieB_: it's to avoid the spam attacks<br />
<ibiam> Only registered users can access the channel<br />
<ifeanyi_> I started very early trying to bypass those barriers. It was quite difficult<br />
<GrannieB_> Yes, but it is definitely a barrier. The instructions are scattered and not at all clear<br />
<GrannieB_> I tried yesterday and then spent a lot of time today<br />
<ifeanyi_> Maybe a documentation can help. Where and what to click to overcome the spam blocks<br />
<ibiam> GrannieB_: the instructions are clear<br />
<ibiam> It's just your chat client that requires you joining each time you want to use it<br />
<ifeanyi_> You're very correct @ibiam . It's the chat client that is causing the glitches (at least from my end)<br />
<walterbender> GrannieB_, maybe you can share your process -- obviously successful -- so others can learn from you?<br />
<GrannieB_> I think I accidentally did it!<br />
<GrannieB_> I actually registered twice... same name and pw, 2 confirmation emails<br />
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<walterbender> GrannieB_, let's be systematic about this. first the basics: what computer/OS are you using?<br />
<walterbender> then, what tool did you use? browser? irc client?<br />
<GrannieB_> Chrome freenode<br />
<GrannieB_> but the order you do things in matters... a lot<br />
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<GrannieB_> The first confirmation message I got would not work. It said the nick was already in use<br />
<GrannieB_> The second one (same nick... different code from them) worked<br />
<walterbender> GrannieB_, https://webchat.freenode.net/ ???<br />
<GrannieB_> yes<br />
<ibiam> GrannieB_: after you got the first message did you try to identify your nick<br />
<walterbender> So it was just a matter of trying repeatedly?<br />
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<GrannieB_> no. It was more than that. I could write some easier instructions if I can figure out how I did it. The main problem is where it tells you to "log in" and they aren't talking about a password or anything like that that I can see<br />
<GrannieB_> When I was trying to log in with my nick it kept telling me that it was not available, that it was taken. After the second time registering it, things worked<br />
<GrannieB_> The registration instructions are ok<br />
<GrannieB_> it is what to do after that is messed up<br />
<elverma> Hello<br />
<elverma> Sorry, I got called awy<br />
<elverma> I had a bunch of trouble logging in as well<br />
<ibiam> GrannieB_: whatever you do after is because of your client<br />
<walterbender> elverma, while we have your attention, please vote on the email motion re Jaskirat<br />
<elverma> Will do<br />
<ibiam> It always requires that you login each time you open it<br />
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<GrannieB_> OK what does it mean to "log in?"<br />
<walterbender> I just followed the instructions at https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration and it worked first time...<br />
<GrannieB_> Exactly how does one do that?<br />
>NickServ< identify ****<br />
-NickServ- You are already logged in as walterbender.<br />
<walterbender> type /msg NickServ identify YOURPASSWORD<br />
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<GrannieB_> When I finally got in, I went through the "not a robot" drill... I had put in my user name and that was all. Then when I got an irc screen, I pasted the message verifying my registration into the bar at the bottom, That got me in. then I changed channels to #sugar - meeting<br />
<elverma> walterbender, I don't see the motion. Is it on SLOB?<br />
<GrannieB_> Oh, and it told me my registration was complete after I pasted in the verification<br />
<walterbender> elverma, I emailed it Wednesday and again about 10 minutes ago.<br />
<walterbender> GrannieB_, Please see if https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2018/background#Getting_set_up_on_IRC matches your experience.<br />
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* ibiam has to go<br />
<elverma> walterbender Interesting. I see it on lists.sl.o but not in my email...something is broken.<br />
<elverma> Can you record +1 from me for the motion?<br />
<walterbender> will do...<br />
<walterbender> maybe check your entry on the listserv<br />
<elverma> walterbender: will do. Entire threads for Oct are missing in my email. Not in spam either.<br />
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