Talk:Community

Question 1 - Please set up a paypal donation link. There are a lot of people rooting for you guys! Some of us would like to help financially.

We need to finish setting up the foundation first. Thank you for the support!! --Walter 02:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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Question 2 - Hi there, I find the wiki.laptop.org site to be very hard to follow. Is the intention to create the definitive online manual for Sugar on this site, with an improved wiki? If so, I would love to help get it right...

Any suggestions as to how to structure this site so that it doesn't get too hard to follow is more than welcome. Perhaps we can use this page to discuss a framework. The good news is that Sugar Labs has a more focused set of goals, so it will hopefully be easier to keep the wiki more focused as well. Regarding an online manual, let's get started!! I wrote http://www.laptop.org/gettingstarted pages; maybe a critic of those pages would be a good place to start? Also, pointers to positive examples would also be helpful. --Walter 15:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

These pages are good. I wish I had found them when I got my OLPC! This would be great under "Getting Started." To what extent can content be reused? --Graham

Ah. Apparently the fine print wasn't enough--we'd put the URL on the insert that came in the box with your G1G1 machine. We can reuse all of these pages. It would be good to make them non-XO-laptop specific, as SugarLabs is not tied to any specific hardware platform. --Walter 10:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine. Suggestions to come throughout the day. --Graham

Question 2 Follow-up - Walter, I asked because I think Sugar has HUGE potential, but a lot of people with G1G1 XOs are like me. They slightly geeky, believe in what this project can do, have more skills than the average user but aren't programmers. And they are frustrated by a few things with Sugar that in my opinion, aren't a bit deal to fix, but are roadblocks to them using their XO more. And their usage is important. They will generate more buy-in, support and visibility for the project and Sugar itself, and their contributions to the platform will make it better.

I'm a trained journalist and develop children's web sites for a big media company, and have access to educators and people doing on-the-ground development work in Africa. I love this project and would love to take part in it, provided it's organized and inclusive :) And I am sure others feel this way.

I suggest a few things:

1. Getting Started - the overview on the other site is OK. Bit it could be better. Let's write it like a manual, not like a Wiki. Depreciated pages should be merged and shut down. Keep the most relevant info in one place, and make it easy to use. If my wife can't use it, then we have certainly failed :)

2. Step-by-step manual, by subject. We need to address all of the issues in a package users understand, by keyword section. For example, a section called "Networking" that has all info on connection to the mesh, Jabber, WEP, WPA (which I still can't get to work!) etc... Plus pages for each Application/Activity that provide screen captures, instructions, etc.

3. Bugs page - similar to a help ticket, a place where people can discuss issues, so we find resolutions through either making Sugar fixes, explaining temporary workarounds, etc.

4. Feature enhancements - A wish list where users can submit Sugar components they would like to see, with top-level specs. Allow spec development on the Wiki, and then track progress, alpha/beta testing, and once complete, turn it into an activities page, or whatever it becomes in the context of the Sugar platform.

Etc.. These are just top level thoughts. Sorry to be long winded. --Graham

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Let's get started by making wiki words from each of your four bullet points!! --Walter 16:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean, wiki words? :) --Graham

Putting [[ and ]] around a word or phrase makes it a link to new page in the wiki. I've made wiki words in your previous post--they are rendered in red now. When you click on one, it will invite you to create a new page in the wiki, thus starting the process of generating the documents you are advocating for. --Walter 16:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. I suggest we finalize the titles, then insert them into the nav as sub bullets under Community Portal. Actually, or create a nav item called Using Sugar or About Sugar, with these under. Community should be about the different groups involved around the world, local initiatives, etc. Does this work? I've labeled 3. Submit Bugs/Problems (added problems) for non-native English speakers.

Suggested titles

1. Getting Started

2. User Manual

3. Submit Bugs/Problems

4. Request New Features

Thoughts? --Graham

Here it goes... --Walter 20:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks great, thanks. One suggestion, change to Submit Bugs & Problems - so it will wrap better in the nav! --Graham