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== Present ==

;Board members: Walter Bender, James Cameron (chair), Samson Goddy, Lionel Laské, Alex Perez, and Devin Ulibarri.

;Board members: Walter Bender, James Cameron (chair), Samson Goddy, Lionel Laské, Alex Perez, and Devin Ulibarri. (Claudia Urrea was in flight at the time.)

== Visitors ==

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* possibility of ending our relationship with the Conservancy,

;AGREED MOTION 2019-13: ~~appont~~ Devin Ulibarri as Project Representative to the Software Freedom Conservancy.

;AGREED MOTION 2019-13: appoint Devin Ulibarri as Project Representative to the Software Freedom Conservancy.

== Receive Report from Google Summer of Code Sugar Labs organisation administrator ==

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== Fedora 30 release ==

One of our target distributions is all set to release with Sugar 0.112 and broken collaboration on the 16th April.

One of our target distributions is all set to release with Sugar 0.112 and broken collaboration on the 16th April, yet 0.113 contains some fixes for collaboration.

We discussed;

* Simon Schampijer (AKA erikos) is listed as the current Fedora Sugar package maintainer,

We did not make a decision.

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== Sugarizer missing from sugar-devel@ ==

Discussions about Sugarizer are not only not happening on sugar-devel@, but questions about Sugarizer are not being answered, and students could not find Lionel's mail address.

Lionel agreed to add his mail address to his GitHub profile.

We did not make a decision.

== Complaints ==

Meeting closed at around 21:20.

Samson has received confidential complaints about Sugar Labs;

* we are unsafe, rude, and don't want to listen,

* we don't take our vision seriously,

We discussed;

* who we are,

* this is an important issue,

* why people would tell Samson,

* newcomers can think their ideas are wonderful,

* hasty replies are seen as rude and brief, yet careful replies are seen as rude and condescending,

* the complaint can be a criticism of the power we have in the meritocracy, (or a failure to engage in the meritocracy),

* possibility of anonymous suggestion box, or survey, but this risks further trolling, and how asking questions about a problem makes a problem larger,

* need to accommodate new and veteran contributors, ... let them make mistakes and learn,

* we are all very pressured time-wise, it is so boring to repeat the same advice over and over,

* we might ask our Ombudsman to investigate,

* we have a welcome to Sugar Labs checklist, (lists the skills and achievements to attain),

* private complaints should be public so the community can react,

* use more empathy,

* the assisting mentor issue; a perception of non-inclusiveness, caused by using wrong forum, a code of conduct issue.

We did not make a decision.

Meeting closed at around 21:12.

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-{{draft}}
 == Present ==
-;Board members: Walter Bender, James Cameron (chair), Samson Goddy, Lionel Laské, Alex Perez, and Devin Ulibarri.
+;Board members: Walter Bender, James Cameron (chair), Samson Goddy, Lionel Laské, Alex Perez, and Devin Ulibarri.  (Claudia Urrea was in flight at the time.)
 == Visitors ==
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 * possibility of ending our relationship with the Conservancy,
-;AGREED MOTION 2019-13: appont Devin Ulibarri as Project Representative to the Software Freedom Conservancy.
+;AGREED MOTION 2019-13: appoint Devin Ulibarri as Project Representative to the Software Freedom Conservancy.
 == Receive Report from Google Summer of Code Sugar Labs organisation administrator ==
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 == Fedora 30 release ==
-One of our target distributions is all set to release with Sugar 0.112 and broken collaboration on the 16th April.
+One of our target distributions is all set to release with Sugar 0.112 and broken collaboration on the 16th April, yet 0.113 contains some fixes for collaboration.
+We discussed;
+* Simon Schampijer (AKA erikos) is listed as the current Fedora Sugar package maintainer,
 We did not make a decision.
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 == Sugarizer missing from sugar-devel@ ==
+Discussions about Sugarizer are not only not happening on sugar-devel@, but questions about Sugarizer are not being answered, and students could not find Lionel's mail address.
+Lionel agreed to add his mail address to his GitHub profile.
+We did not make a decision.
 == Complaints ==
-Meeting closed at around 21:20.
+Samson has received confidential complaints about Sugar Labs;
+* we are unsafe, rude, and don't want to listen,
+* we don't take our vision seriously,
+We discussed;
+* who we are,
+* this is an important issue,
+* why people would tell Samson,
+* newcomers can think their ideas are wonderful,
+* hasty replies are seen as rude and brief, yet careful replies are seen as rude and condescending,
+* the complaint can be a criticism of the power we have in the meritocracy, (or a failure to engage in the meritocracy),
+* possibility of anonymous suggestion box, or survey, but this risks further trolling, and how asking questions about a problem makes a problem larger,
+* need to accommodate new and veteran contributors, ... let them make mistakes and learn,
+* we are all very pressured time-wise, it is so boring to repeat the same advice over and over,
+* we might ask our Ombudsman to investigate,
+* we have a welcome to Sugar Labs checklist, (lists the skills and achievements to attain),
+* private complaints should be public so the community can react,
+* use more empathy,
+* the assisting mentor issue; a perception of non-inclusiveness, caused by using wrong forum, a code of conduct issue.
+We did not make a decision.
+Meeting closed at around 21:12.