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*aa: dirakx: hello! | |||
*dirakx: aa: hello. | |||
*aa: dirakx: when is the meeting? | |||
*icarito: hola gente ;-) | |||
*icarito: en 5 segundos? | |||
*walter: hola | |||
*icarito: :-= | |||
*aa: :) | |||
*icarito: :-) | |||
*tomeu1: this time is going to be for real! | |||
*dirakx: aa: in a few seconds. | |||
*dirakx: :) | |||
*walter: I was just putting together a memo of understanding of what a relationship between SL and a regional SL might look like. | |||
***icarito switches his brain to english | |||
*aa: pablo flores will be joining us | |||
*walter: When we get to that topic, I'll post it. | |||
*(09:01:09 AM) aa: walter: hola! | |||
(09:01:09 AM) aa: walter: hola! | *(09:01:24 AM) walter: good morning | ||
(09:01:24 AM) walter: good morning | *(09:01:47 AM) dirakx: walter: morning ;) | ||
(09:01:47 AM) dirakx: walter: morning ;) | *(09:02:05 AM) walter: dirakx: are you our chairman today? | ||
(09:02:05 AM) walter: dirakx: are you our chairman today? | *(09:02:26 AM) icarito: could we perhaps have a quick round of everybody saying name / place ? | ||
(09:02:26 AM) icarito: could we perhaps have a quick round of everybody saying name / place ? | *(09:02:31 AM) icarito: this is sebastian, down here in peru | ||
(09:02:31 AM) icarito: this is sebastian, down here in peru | *(09:02:39 AM) walter: walter in Boston | ||
(09:02:39 AM) walter: walter in Boston | *(09:02:44 AM) icarito: (everybody that's here for the meeting) | ||
(09:02:44 AM) icarito: (everybody that's here for the meeting) | *(09:02:48 AM) aa: Andrés in Uruguay | ||
(09:02:48 AM) aa: Andrés in Uruguay | *(09:02:54 AM) dirakx: rafael in Colombia, | ||
(09:02:54 AM) dirakx: rafael in Colombia, | *(09:03:02 AM) tomeu1: tomeu in prague | ||
(09:03:02 AM) tomeu1: tomeu in prague | *(09:03:16 AM) dirakx: walter: if you want to aist me that would be nice ;). | ||
(09:03:16 AM) dirakx: walter: if you want to aist me that would be nice ;). | *(09:03:16 AM) walter: I need to get our friends in Pakistan and Nepal to join these meetings | ||
(09:03:16 AM) walter: I need to get our friends in Pakistan and Nepal to join these meetings | *(09:03:33 AM) aa: no one from Oceania? | ||
(09:03:33 AM) aa: no one from Oceania? | *(09:03:34 AM) walter: @dirakx: I am not shy | ||
(09:03:34 AM) walter: @dirakx: I am not shy | *(09:03:35 AM) icarito: walter: perhaps time zone is a dificulty | ||
(09:03:35 AM) icarito: walter: perhaps time zone is a dificulty | *(09:03:39 AM) walter: I | ||
(09:03:39 AM) walter: I | *(09:03:44 AM) dirakx: walter: ;) | ||
(09:03:44 AM) dirakx: walter: ;) | *(09:03:52 AM) walter: I'l reach out to them all in the next SUgar DIgest | ||
(09:03:52 AM) walter: I'l reach out to them all in the next SUgar DIgest | *(09:04:08 AM) pflores [n=chatzill@r190-64-23-208.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] entered the room. | ||
(09:04:08 AM) pflores [n=chatzill@r190-64-23-208.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] entered the room. | *(09:04:09 AM) walter: (my fingers aren't awake yet--not enough coffee) | ||
(09:04:09 AM) walter: (my fingers aren't awake yet--not enough coffee) | *(09:04:12 AM) dirakx: icarito: maybe we should reschedule for them ?. | ||
(09:04:12 AM) dirakx: icarito: maybe we should reschedule for them ?. | *(09:04:16 AM) aa: pflores: hi! | ||
(09:04:16 AM) aa: pflores: hi! | *(09:04:32 AM) tomeu1: we could change times from time to time | ||
(09:04:32 AM) tomeu1: we could change times from time to time | *(09:04:33 AM) icarito: great i wish they could come sometime - dirakx lets wait for them to say if its tz | ||
(09:04:33 AM) icarito: great i wish they could come sometime - dirakx lets wait for them to say if its tz | *(09:04:36 AM) pflores: hi team! | ||
(09:04:36 AM) pflores: hi team! | *(09:04:48 AM) icarito: hola pflores, long time | ||
(09:04:48 AM) icarito: hola pflores, long time | *(09:04:52 AM) dirakx: pflores: hi, | ||
(09:04:52 AM) dirakx: pflores: hi, | *(09:05:01 AM) walter: hi pablo | ||
(09:05:01 AM) walter: hi pablo | *(09:05:43 AM) icarito: ok so i guess its us for the meeting | ||
(09:05:43 AM) icarito: ok so i guess its us for the meeting | *(09:05:51 AM) walter: so, shall we begin with Rafael's agenda | ||
(09:05:51 AM) walter: so, shall we begin with Rafael's agenda | *(09:05:58 AM) dirakx: ok.. | ||
(09:05:58 AM) dirakx: ok.. | *(09:06:03 AM) aa: Agenda at: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/Meetings#2008-12-10_meeting | ||
(09:06:03 AM) aa: Agenda at: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/Meetings#2008-12-10_meeting | *(09:06:07 AM) pflores: sorry for arriving late. I got very interested when aa announced me about new ways of working together with SL from Uruguay | ||
(09:06:07 AM) pflores: sorry for arriving late. I got very interested when aa announced me about new ways of working together with SL from Uruguay | *(09:06:37 AM) walter: sounds interesting | ||
(09:06:37 AM) walter: sounds interesting | *(09:06:38 AM) dirakx: about fund-raising status i don't have updates..we don't have money yet in Colombia lol | ||
(09:06:38 AM) dirakx: about fund-raising status i don't have updates..we don't have money yet in Colombia lol | *(09:06:44 AM) dirakx: ;) | ||
(09:06:44 AM) dirakx: ;) | *(09:06:59 AM) dirakx: i don't know if walter has any? | ||
(09:06:59 AM) dirakx: i don't know if walter has any? | *(09:07:01 AM) walter: I have recently submitted two more applications for funding | ||
(09:07:01 AM) walter: I have recently submitted two more applications for funding | *(09:07:12 AM) icarito: fuentelibre still has the 700 US RMS left - we're spending some on flyers | ||
(09:07:12 AM) icarito: fuentelibre still has the 700 US RMS left - we're spending some on flyers | *(09:07:20 AM) icarito: we submitted a couple of applications | ||
(09:07:20 AM) icarito: we submitted a couple of applications | *(09:07:29 AM) walter: and Caroline and I heard that our application to fund a pilot of Sugar on a Stick was turned down :( | ||
(09:07:29 AM) walter: and Caroline and I heard that our application to fund a pilot of Sugar on a Stick was turned down :( | *(09:07:35 AM) icarito: one for USAID and one for Alzado.Org | ||
(09:07:35 AM) icarito: one for USAID and one for Alzado.Org | *(09:07:36 AM) walter: But we will go ahead anyway. | ||
(09:07:36 AM) walter: But we will go ahead anyway. | *(09:07:58 AM) walter: I hae another USAID/NSF grant I am just getting started on... | ||
(09:07:58 AM) walter: I hae another USAID/NSF grant I am just getting started on... | *(09:08:10 AM) dirakx: http://www.netsquared.org/projects/free-social-networks-rural-education | ||
(09:08:10 AM) dirakx: http://www.netsquared.org/projects/free-social-networks-rural-education | *(09:08:12 AM) walter: It is about Science education and it is global | ||
(09:08:12 AM) walter: It is about Science education and it is global | *(09:08:32 AM) walter: We can bring all of our efforts together on this one. | ||
(09:08:32 AM) walter: We can bring all of our efforts together on this one. | *(09:08:48 AM) dirakx: this is the proposal that icarito and i submitted to USAID coments/votes welcome. | ||
(09:08:48 AM) dirakx: this is the proposal that icarito and i submitted to USAID coments/votes welcome. | *(09:08:52 AM) icarito: sounds cool, let us know how we can help | ||
(09:08:52 AM) icarito: sounds cool, let us know how we can help | *(09:09:07 AM) walter: I had started a list of grant applications in the wiki... let's try to keep it current | ||
(09:09:07 AM) walter: I had started a list of grant applications in the wiki... let's try to keep it current | *(09:09:09 AM) icarito: actually we should solicit votes because its the only way to have a chance | ||
(09:09:09 AM) icarito: actually we should solicit votes because its the only way to have a chance | *(09:09:43 AM) walter: Sebastian, send another note to IAEP and OLPC-Sur to remind people | ||
(09:09:43 AM) walter: Sebastian, send another note to IAEP and OLPC-Sur to remind people | *(09:10:02 AM) icarito: ok will do | ||
(09:10:02 AM) icarito: ok will do | *(09:10:18 AM) walter: Just this weekly reminder is a good for me for staying focused. | ||
(09:10:18 AM) walter: Just this weekly reminder is a good for me for staying focused. | *(09:10:48 AM) tomeu1: yes, reminders like those are good | ||
(09:10:48 AM) tomeu1: yes, reminders like those are good | *(09:10:58 AM) dirakx: ;). | ||
(09:10:58 AM) dirakx: ;). | *(09:11:52 AM) dirakx: also i think that if anyone knows about this kind of grants or challenges in their countries should let us know. | ||
(09:11:52 AM) dirakx: also i think that if anyone knows about this kind of grants or challenges in their countries should let us know. | *(09:12:19 AM) dirakx: by putting them in the wiki..and writing proposals. | ||
(09:12:19 AM) dirakx: by putting them in the wiki..and writing proposals. | *(09:12:34 AM) walter: Sugar Labs central is happy to be a supporting party in these local efforts, if it is helpful. | ||
(09:12:34 AM) walter: Sugar Labs central is happy to be a supporting party in these local efforts, if it is helpful. | *(09:12:39 AM) tomeu1: we should get people with experience in EU grants | ||
(09:12:39 AM) tomeu1: we should get people with experience in EU grants | *(09:12:49 AM) dirakx: tomeu1: +1 | ||
(09:12:49 AM) dirakx: tomeu1: +1 | *(09:12:49 AM) pflores: I was thinking about the grants that ANII gives in Uruguay | ||
(09:12:49 AM) pflores: I was thinking about the grants that ANII gives in Uruguay | *(09:12:59 AM) pflores: http://www.anii.org.uy | ||
(09:12:59 AM) pflores: http://www.anii.org.uy | *(09:13:09 AM) walter: Yeah. I am falling behind on that one. I have mentioned it to a few people on both of my recent trips to EU | ||
(09:13:09 AM) walter: Yeah. I am falling behind on that one. I have mentioned it to a few people on both of my recent trips to EU | *(09:13:24 AM) walter: But haven't followed through | ||
(09:13:24 AM) walter: But haven't followed through | *(09:13:41 AM) pflores: The problem is that they mostly give grants to companies settled in the country | ||
(09:13:41 AM) pflores: The problem is that they mostly give grants to companies settled in the country | *(09:14:15 AM) dirakx: that's the second point of our agenda today.. | ||
(09:14:15 AM) dirakx: that's the second point of our agenda today.. | *(09:14:20 AM) walter: It is fine that the money stays local... | ||
(09:14:20 AM) walter: It is fine that the money stays local... | *(09:14:31 AM) walter: that is perhaps why it is important to create local SL | ||
(09:14:31 AM) walter: that is perhaps why it is important to create local SL | *(09:15:13 AM) dirakx: walter: it's ok for a Local Lab to write a proposal and get this kind of grants ?. | ||
(09:15:13 AM) dirakx: walter: it's ok for a Local Lab to write a proposal and get this kind of grants ?. | *(09:15:27 AM) walter: As an action item then, can we agree to beef up the grant section of the wiki and I can add a regular section to the Sugar Digest about grants? | ||
(09:15:27 AM) walter: As an action item then, can we agree to beef up the grant section of the wiki and I can add a regular section to the Sugar Digest about grants? | *(09:15:40 AM) walter: @dirakx: yes yes yes | ||
(09:15:40 AM) walter: @dirakx: yes yes yes | *(09:15:46 AM) dirakx: walter: ;). | ||
(09:15:46 AM) dirakx: walter: ;). | *(09:15:52 AM) dirakx: walter: sounds fine to me. | ||
(09:15:52 AM) dirakx: walter: sounds fine to me. | *(09:16:10 AM) dirakx: about wiki/sugar digest grants. | ||
(09:16:10 AM) dirakx: about wiki/sugar digest grants. | *(09:16:23 AM) tomeu1: I guess will be interesting for SL France to get a grant from the EU for a project in Argel, for example | ||
(09:16:23 AM) tomeu1: I guess will be interesting for SL France to get a grant from the EU for a project in Argel, for example | *(09:16:24 AM) pflores: ANII supports a lot innovative software development projects. However they're not used to work much with non-profits | ||
(09:16:24 AM) pflores: ANII supports a lot innovative software development projects. However they're not used to work much with non-profits | *(09:16:31 AM) tomeu1: argelia, meant | ||
(09:16:31 AM) tomeu1: argelia, meant | *(09:16:34 AM) walter: Pablo, for example, can you find specific grants in the ANII site to look at? | ||
(09:16:34 AM) walter: Pablo, for example, can you find specific grants in the ANII site to look at? | *(09:17:09 AM) walter: In the EU, I have also spoken to some companies about applying together with a local Sugar effort | ||
(09:17:09 AM) walter: In the EU, I have also spoken to some companies about applying together with a local Sugar effort | *(09:17:20 AM) walter: I need to push them into action | ||
(09:17:20 AM) walter: I need to push them into action | *(09:17:59 AM) icarito: ok regarding funding i have a small question | ||
(09:17:59 AM) icarito: ok regarding funding i have a small question | *(09:18:14 AM) walter: ask away!! | ||
(09:18:14 AM) walter: ask away!! | *(09:18:28 AM) icarito: we've been planning a noisy community pr campaign to reject windows in education | ||
(09:18:28 AM) icarito: we've been planning a noisy community pr campaign to reject windows in education | *(09:18:29 AM) andresambrois [i=be401664@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1bda5356c6382d78] entered the room. | ||
(09:18:29 AM) andresambrois [i=be401664@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1bda5356c6382d78] entered the room. | *(09:18:46 AM) icarito: one of the plans is to have a 30 sec video spot contest | ||
(09:18:46 AM) icarito: one of the plans is to have a 30 sec video spot contest | *(09:19:01 AM) icarito: and raise funds to put it on tv (kind of like firefox guys did) | ||
(09:19:01 AM) icarito: and raise funds to put it on tv (kind of like firefox guys did) | *(09:20:06 AM) icarito: i've never put a donation button / dont know if it should route thru sugarlabs, guess not, we still have no legal entity here | ||
(09: | *(09:20:13 AM) icarito: perhaps sugarlabs should not be involver | ||
(09: | *(09:20:22 AM) aa: *sigh*, sorry about that, I´m back | ||
(09: | *(09:20:51 AM) icarito: nevermind i guess i'll deal with that | ||
(09:20: | *(09:20:52 AM) walter: I think we should get you your own legal entity... | ||
(09: | *(09:21:03 AM) walter: is it difficult? | ||
(09: | *(09:21:04 AM) icarito: yes i'm on it | ||
(09: | *(09:21:11 AM) aa: we are on the same here | ||
(09: | *(09:21:18 AM) icarito: requires some help from lawyers but we'll pull thru | ||
(09:21: | *(09:21:29 AM) icarito: mostly need to get foundational documents right | ||
(09:21: | *(09:21:31 AM) pflores: walter: I have some specific grants of ANII, but if you want we can wait until point 2 of agenda | ||
(09:21: | *(09:21:36 AM) aa: pflores can explain it better, but for LATU to provide support to us, we need to be a legal entity | ||
*(09:21:39 AM) walter: Maybe the SFC can recommend some lawyers who will help you | |||
(09: | *(09:22:05 AM) walter: I will add it to my list of action items. | ||
(09: | *(09:22:29 AM) icarito: walter: ok thanks dont let me slow the meeting, if i have a specific question or request I'll make it | ||
(09: | *(09:22:58 AM) dirakx: ok second point ? | ||
(09: | *(09:23:06 AM) dirakx: everybody?. | ||
(09: | *(09:23:18 AM) dirakx: or is there something more to add ? | ||
(09: | *(09:24:02 AM) walter: I think we can move one | ||
*(09:24:07 AM) walter: ^one^on | |||
(09: | *(09:24:10 AM) aa: yes | ||
(09: | *(09:24:25 AM) dirakx: ok so aa and others are interested in how is the process of making a local lab. | ||
(09:24: | *(09:24:44 AM) aa: and what it implies | ||
*(09:24:56 AM) walter: I have been working on a generic MOU between SL and a local entity | |||
(09: | *(09:24:59 AM) pflores: possibilities and obligations :) | ||
(09: | *(09:25:11 AM) dirakx: yes..so we are making discussions here http://sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs | ||
(09: | *(09:25:18 AM) dirakx: walter: that is needed | ||
(09: | *(09:25:37 AM) walter: let me pull out my notes | ||
(09: | *(09:26:33 AM) dirakx: but also about legal entity, i was in the impression that for now a local lab couldn't have it's own legal independency ? | ||
(09: | *(09:26:38 AM) aa: I´m sure that if its along the lines of whats described in the wiki, it´s just a matter of wording | ||
(09: | *(09:27:08 AM) aa: dirakx: why not? | ||
*(09:27:18 AM) icarito: dirakx: yes why not? | |||
*(09:27:19 AM) dirakx: not because it's not wanted but because it's an overhead for SFC. | |||
*(09:27:38 AM) icarito: dirakx: its only an overhead for SFC if we collect funds as sugarlabs | |||
*(09:27:47 AM) icarito: as sl central or something | |||
(09:27:47 AM) icarito: as sl central or something | |||
(09:28:27 AM) dirakx: icarito: that's the question...how should be legal relations between a lolcal lab and a central lab ? | (09:28:27 AM) dirakx: icarito: that's the question...how should be legal relations between a lolcal lab and a central lab ? | ||
(09:28:57 AM) icarito: dirakx: there's no reason for you not to form an entity as I understand it | *(09:28:57 AM) icarito: dirakx: there's no reason for you not to form an entity as I understand it | ||
(09:29:01 AM) aa: in fact, it could strongly limit the ammount of delegation possible if all legal matters need to go back to SL HQ | *(09:29:01 AM) aa: in fact, it could strongly limit the ammount of delegation possible if all legal matters need to go back to SL HQ | ||
(09:29:06 AM) walter: Here is my new wording (I'll post this in the wiki too) | *(09:29:06 AM) walter: Here is my new wording (I'll post this in the wiki too) | ||
(09:29:24 AM) walter: 1.Sugar Labs and ??? agree to establish Sugar Labs XYZ, a local-to-XYZ entity to do software development, deployment, and support, including providing local and regional technical and pedagogical support; creating new learning activities and pedagogical practice; providing localization and internationalization of software, content, and documentation; and providing integration and customization ser | (*09:29:24 AM) walter: 1.Sugar Labs and ??? agree to establish Sugar Labs XYZ, a local-to-XYZ entity to do software development, deployment, and support, including providing local and regional technical and pedagogical support; creating new learning activities and pedagogical practice; providing localization and internationalization of software, content, and documentation; and providing integration and customization ser | ||
(09:29:26 AM) walter: vices. | *(09:29:26 AM) walter: vices. | ||
(09:29:27 AM) walter: 2.Sugar Labs XYZ: | *(09:29:27 AM) walter: 2.Sugar Labs XYZ: | ||
(09:29:28 AM) walter: a. will be co-branded entity established in XYZ; | *(09:29:28 AM) walter: a. will be co-branded entity established in XYZ; | ||
(09:29:30 AM) walter: b. will have Sugar Labs representation on their board of directors; | *(09:29:30 AM) walter: b. will have Sugar Labs representation on their board of directors; | ||
(09:29:32 AM) walter: c. will have web presence at xyz.sugarlabs.org; | *(09:29:32 AM) walter: c. will have web presence at xyz.sugarlabs.org; | ||
(09:29:34 AM) walter: d. will appoint a representative to Sugar Labs; | *(09:29:34 AM) walter: d. will appoint a representative to Sugar Labs; | ||
(09:29:36 AM) walter: e. will not act as an agent for Sugar Labs nor to take any action inconsistent with the status of Sugar Labs as a public charity; | *(09:29:36 AM) walter: e. will not act as an agent for Sugar Labs nor to take any action inconsistent with the status of Sugar Labs as a public charity; | ||
(09:29:37 AM) walter: f. agrees to abide by the principles of Free Software, open communication, and community participation; | *(09:29:37 AM) walter: f. agrees to abide by the principles of Free Software, open communication, and community participation; | ||
(09:29:39 AM) walter: g. agrees to operate within the scope of the joint learning missions of Sugar Labs . | *(09:29:39 AM) walter: g. agrees to operate within the scope of the joint learning missions of Sugar Labs . | ||
(09:29:40 AM) walter: 3.Sugar Labs: | *(09:29:40 AM) walter: 3.Sugar Labs: | ||
(09:29:42 AM) walter: a. will help identify resources to be utilized by Sugar Labs XYZ on technical and pedagogical issues; | *(09:29:42 AM) walter: a. will help identify resources to be utilized by Sugar Labs XYZ on technical and pedagogical issues; | ||
(09:29:44 AM) walter: b. will appoint a Sugar Labs member to the Sugar Labs XYZboard of directors; | *(09:29:44 AM) walter: b. will appoint a Sugar Labs member to the Sugar Labs XYZboard of directors; | ||
(09:29:45 AM) walter: c. will include Sugar Labs XYZ as part of the global Sugar Labs community; | *(09:29:45 AM) walter: c. will include Sugar Labs XYZ as part of the global Sugar Labs community; | ||
(09:29:47 AM) walter: d. will not charge any license fee for the use of the Sugar Labs brand; | *(09:29:47 AM) walter: d. will not charge any license fee for the use of the Sugar Labs brand; | ||
(09:29:49 AM) walter: e. will collect no fees from Sugar Labs XYZ. | *(09:29:49 AM) walter: e. will collect no fees from Sugar Labs XYZ. | ||
(09:29:55 AM) walter: sorry for the blast of text | *(09:29:55 AM) walter: sorry for the blast of text | ||
(09:30:02 AM) dirakx: np | *(09:30:02 AM) dirakx: np | ||
(09:30:59 AM) dirakx: walter: so what i need here it's a necessity of legal advisory to for a legal identity locally that could address Sl concerns and needs. | *(09:30:59 AM) dirakx: walter: so what i need here it's a necessity of legal advisory to for a legal identity locally that could address Sl concerns and needs. | ||
(09:31:06 AM) dirakx: to form. | *(09:31:06 AM) dirakx: to form. | ||
(09:31:14 AM) walter: yes, I think so. | *(09:31:14 AM) walter: yes, I think so. | ||
(09:31:38 AM) icarito: dirakx: we should be lawyers and set up an sfc latam | *(09:31:38 AM) icarito: dirakx: we should be lawyers and set up an sfc latam | ||
(09:31:44 AM) walter: I think the local entity has to be the responsible party legally | *(09:31:44 AM) walter: I think the local entity has to be the responsible party legally | ||
(09:31:51 AM) dirakx: icarito: hehe. | *(09:31:51 AM) dirakx: icarito: hehe. | ||
(09:31:59 AM) dirakx: walter: +1 | *(09:31:59 AM) dirakx: walter: +1 | ||
*(09:32:41 AM) aa: I have no problem with that summary | |||
(09:32:41 AM) aa: I have no problem with that summary | *(09:32:44 AM) dirakx: that part it's not so easy but should be addressed because each country has it's ouwn regulations. | ||
(09:32:44 AM) dirakx: that part it's not so easy but should be addressed because each country has it's ouwn regulations. | *(09:33:11 AM) walter: An SFC-like organization that can help is a very good idea. | ||
(09:33:11 AM) walter: An SFC-like organization that can help is a very good idea. | *(09:33:39 AM) aa: walter: do you believe there could be a problem with SFC if Local Labs are legally independant? | ||
(09:33:39 AM) aa: walter: do you believe there could be a problem with SFC if Local Labs are legally independant? | *(09:33:56 AM) walter: I think that would be their preference | ||
(09:33:56 AM) walter: I think that would be their preference | *(09:34:08 AM) aa: right, I agree | ||
(09:34:08 AM) aa: right, I agree | *(09:34:12 AM) pflores: so... in our country we should create a new NGO or similar, and then sign an *agreement with SL, am I right? | ||
(09:34:12 AM) pflores: so... in our country we should create a new NGO or similar, and then sign an agreement with SL, am I right? | |||
(09:34:20 AM) walter: Yes. | (09:34:20 AM) walter: Yes. | ||
(09:34:22 AM) aa: pflores: I believe so | *(09:34:22 AM) aa: pflores: I believe so | ||
(09:34:29 AM) icarito: ok so the other way around then, the question... what's local sl relation to sfc? | *(09:34:29 AM) icarito: ok so the other way around then, the question... what's local sl relation to sfc? | ||
(09:34:52 AM) aa: pflores: I believe it fits well in our short term objectives | *(09:34:52 AM) aa: pflores: I believe it fits well in our short term objectives | ||
(09:34:59 AM) walter: None | *(09:34:59 AM) walter: None | ||
(09:35:21 AM) dirakx: ok fair enough.:) | *(09:35:21 AM) dirakx: ok fair enough.:) | ||
(09:35:21 AM) caroline_: can sfc be a fiscal sponsor to nonUS organizations? | *(09:35:21 AM) caroline_: can sfc be a fiscal sponsor to nonUS organizations? | ||
(09:36:02 AM) walter: I will ask SFC... | *(09:36:02 AM) walter: I will ask SFC... | ||
(09:36:16 AM) caroline_: do you imagine US local Sugar Labs forming? | *(09:36:16 AM) caroline_: do you imagine US local Sugar Labs forming? | ||
(09:36:17 AM) walter: But I suspect that the US/nonUS is not the issue, | *(09:36:17 AM) walter: But I suspect that the US/nonUS is not the issue, | ||
(09:36:33 AM) walter: They are responsible to their members, whereever they may be | *(09:36:33 AM) walter: They are responsible to their members, whereever they may be | ||
(09:36:43 AM) walter: But they are not responsible to non-members. | *(09:36:43 AM) walter: But they are not responsible to non-members. | ||
(09:37:01 AM) walter: I think more than one local US SL will form... | *(09:37:01 AM) walter: I think more than one local US SL will form... | ||
(09:37:04 AM) aa: hmm, I wonder if that can be legally so | *(09:37:04 AM) aa: hmm, I wonder if that can be legally so | ||
(09:37:19 AM) tomeu1: oh yeah, wanted to ask about multiple local labs in the same country | *(09:37:19 AM) tomeu1: oh yeah, wanted to ask about multiple local labs in the same country | ||
(09:37:25 AM) walter: @aa: what is "that"? | *(09:37:25 AM) walter: @aa: what is "that"? | ||
(09:37:26 AM) tomeu1: we are going to see forks and such soon | *(09:37:26 AM) tomeu1: we are going to see forks and such soon | ||
(09:37:40 AM) icarito: tomeu1: you mean honey labs ;-) | *(09:37:40 AM) icarito: tomeu1: you mean honey labs ;-) | ||
(09:37:42 AM) icarito: lol | *(09:37:42 AM) icarito: lol | ||
(09:37:49 AM) walter: I think we will see forks in pedagogy more than in the software | *(09:37:49 AM) walter: I think we will see forks in pedagogy more than in the software | ||
(09:38:04 AM) pflores: In our country, for instance, is not trivial creating a NGO... It's expensive, takes some time, and requires a team involved on it. Some external support is needed... | *(09:38:04 AM) pflores: In our country, for instance, is not trivial creating a NGO... It's expensive, takes some time, and requires a team involved on it. Some external support is needed... | ||
(09:38:05 AM) icarito: i think its healthy that we aim for simple to replicate | *(09:38:05 AM) icarito: i think its healthy that we aim for simple to replicate | ||
(09:38:05 AM) aa: walter: that SFC can provide any legal or fiscal support to non-us associates of members | *(09:38:05 AM) aa: walter: that SFC can provide any legal or fiscal support to non-us associates of members | ||
(09:38:12 AM) tomeu1: well, I was referring to organizational forks | *(09:38:12 AM) tomeu1: well, I was referring to organizational forks | ||
(09:38:20 AM) tomeu1: like what happened in nepal | *(09:38:20 AM) tomeu1: like what happened in nepal | ||
(09:38:23 AM) caroline_: Well I imagine different deployments will end up on different releases just because of logistical relaity. | *(09:38:23 AM) caroline_: Well I imagine different deployments will end up on different releases just because of logistical relaity. | ||
(09:38:33 AM) tomeu1: people will start a local lab and two factions will form, etc, etc | *(09:38:33 AM) tomeu1: people will start a local lab and two factions will form, etc, etc | ||
(09:38:36 AM) caroline_: what happened in Nepal? | *(09:38:36 AM) caroline_: what happened in Nepal? | ||
(09:38:38 AM) tomeu1: that stuff happens very often | *(09:38:38 AM) tomeu1: that stuff happens very often | ||
(09:38:58 AM) walter: I don't think we should or can make exclusive relationships with people/organizations | *(09:38:58 AM) walter: I don't think we should or can make exclusive relationships with people/organizations | ||
(09:38:58 AM) tomeu1: caroline_: bryan started one ngo, then left it to create another, if I understood correctly | *(09:38:58 AM) tomeu1: caroline_: bryan started one ngo, then left it to create another, if I understood correctly | ||
(09:39:02 AM) caroline_: how did the organizations split get reflected in the code? | *(09:39:02 AM) caroline_: how did the organizations split get reflected in the code? | ||
(09:39:17 AM) tomeu1: caroline_: not thinking on code at all | *(09:39:17 AM) tomeu1: caroline_: not thinking on code at all | ||
(09:39:25 AM) walter: It wasn't a code fork, it was an organizational fork, as Tomeu says | *(09:39:25 AM) walter: It wasn't a code fork, it was an organizational fork, as Tomeu says | ||
(09:39:38 AM) tomeu1: just on the relationship between global SL and multiple local labs operating in the same geographical area | *(09:39:38 AM) tomeu1: just on the relationship between global SL and multiple local labs operating in the same geographical area | ||
(09:39:53 AM) walter: it was unfortunate, but I don't think we could do anything to avoid it... I tried, believe me. | *(09:39:53 AM) walter: it was unfortunate, but I don't think we could do anything to avoid it... I tried, believe me. | ||
(09:40:17 AM) icarito: this is why having a set of principles is important - forks are inevitable | *(09:40:17 AM) icarito: this is why having a set of principles is important - forks are inevitable | ||
(09:40:26 AM) caroline_: if we can have a code base that doesn't need forking when organizations split that is a very good technical goal. | *(09:40:26 AM) caroline_: if we can have a code base that doesn't need forking when organizations split that is a very good technical goal. | ||
*(09:40:32 AM) dirakx: icarito: +1 | |||
(09:40:32 AM) dirakx: icarito: +1 | *(09:40:42 AM) tomeu1: it will happen again and again, global SL should just try to support all the local labs and let them do their work and resolve their disputes | ||
(09:40:42 AM) tomeu1: it will happen again and again, global SL should just try to support all the local labs and let them do their work and resolve their disputes | *(09:40:49 AM) icarito: caroline_: we do have | ||
*(09:41:04 AM) caroline_: :) | |||
(09:40:49 AM) icarito: caroline_: we do have | *(09:41:37 AM) aa: I think we can all agree with tomeu1 | ||
(09:41:04 AM) caroline_: :) | *(09:41:42 AM) walter: +1 | ||
(09:41:37 AM) aa: I think we can all agree with tomeu1 | *(09:41:51 AM) dirakx: +1 also ;) | ||
(09:41:42 AM) walter: +1 | *(09:42:02 AM) pflores: I agree | ||
(09:41:51 AM) dirakx: +1 also ;) | *(09:42:02 AM) aa: pflores concern needs an answer though | ||
(09:42:02 AM) pflores: I agree | *(09:42:08 AM) icarito: +0.5 - as long as these clones follow some standards | ||
(09:42:02 AM) aa: pflores concern needs an answer though | *(09:42:18 AM) aa: "In our country, for instance, is not trivial creating a NGO... It's expensive, takes some time, and requires a team involved on it. Some external support is needed..." | ||
(09:42:08 AM) icarito: +0.5 - as long as these clones follow some standards | *(09:42:38 AM) walter: Does it have to be an NGO? | ||
(09:42:18 AM) aa: "In our country, for instance, is not trivial creating a NGO... It's expensive, takes some time, and requires a team involved on it. Some external support is needed..." | *(09:42:59 AM) pflores: some institutionality is needed | ||
*(09:43:01 AM) walter: Is it difficult to set up a business? | |||
*(09:43:10 AM) pflores: at least if we want to run for grants... | |||
(09:42:38 AM) walter: Does it have to be an NGO? | *(09:43:17 AM) walter: Would a university affiliation make it easier? | ||
(09:42:59 AM) pflores: some institutionality is needed | *(09:43:25 AM) icarito: pflores: you did mention the ani grants were for businesses | ||
(09:43:01 AM) walter: Is it difficult to set up a business? | *(09:43:27 AM) pflores: no, an enterprise is easy to set-up | ||
(09:43:10 AM) pflores: at least if we want to run for grants... | *(09:43:43 AM) pflores: however it's not so easy to get funds to it | ||
(09:43:17 AM) walter: Would a university affiliation make it easier? | *(09:43:47 AM) aa: no, but its expensive unless you actually do business | ||
(09:43:25 AM) icarito: pflores: you did mention the ani grants were for businesses | *(09:43:53 AM) aa: and it will be more difficult to get support from govt | ||
(09:43:27 AM) pflores: no, an enterprise is easy to set-up | *(09:44:31 AM) pflores: maybe associating the enterprise with SL could be a good strategy... but I think in this case SL may have some concerns... | ||
(09:43:43 AM) pflores: however it's not so easy to get funds to it | *(09:44:47 AM) aa: walter: Idoubt a university affiliation gives us a legal entity | ||
(09:43:47 AM) aa: no, but its expensive unless you actually do business | *(09:44:47 AM) walter: We need to help streamline these transactions, but I don't know how to avoid them except to partner with an exisiting entity | ||
(09:43:53 AM) aa: and it will be more difficult to get support from govt | *(09:44:49 AM) pflores: let me explain | ||
(09:44:31 AM) pflores: maybe associating the enterprise with SL could be a good strategy... but I think in this case SL may have some concerns... | *(09:44:57 AM) icarito: guys we're starting to see a pattern here - we should be on the look for something like a SFC latam | ||
(09:44:47 AM) aa: walter: Idoubt a university affiliation gives us a legal entity | *(09:45:16 AM) aa: icarito: thats way out of scope | ||
(09:44:47 AM) walter: We need to help streamline these transactions, but I don't know how to avoid them except to partner with an exisiting entity | *(09:45:21 AM) aa: we are not lawyers | ||
(09:44:49 AM) pflores: let me explain | *(09:45:24 AM) icarito: perhaps some already established ngo | ||
(09:44:57 AM) icarito: guys we're starting to see a pattern here - we should be on the look for something like a SFC latam | *(09:45:30 AM) icarito: aa i'm not suggesting we make it | ||
(09:45:16 AM) aa: icarito: thats way out of scope | *(09:45:40 AM) icarito: i'm suggesting perhaps there's already something similar | ||
(09:45:21 AM) aa: we are not lawyers | *(09:46:25 AM) pflores: ANII is a government agency, it helps mostly for creating innovative companies. This is a possible road. The problem with this is that we should have a business plan... | ||
(09:45:24 AM) icarito: perhaps some already established ngo | *(09:46:27 AM) aa: FSFLA should know | ||
(09:45:30 AM) icarito: aa i'm not suggesting we make it | *(09:46:43 AM) icarito: but in the meantime we have to deal with these issues ourselves | ||
(09:45:40 AM) icarito: i'm suggesting perhaps there's already something similar | *(09:46:58 AM) icarito: pflores: NGO needs a business plan to | ||
(09:46:25 AM) pflores: ANII is a government agency, it helps mostly for creating innovative companies. This is a possible road. The problem with this is that we should have a business plan... | *(09:46:59 AM) walter: So let's write a business plan... | ||
(09:46:27 AM) aa: FSFLA should know | *(09:47:13 AM) icarito: pflores: at least if it wants to stay Busy - ness | ||
(09:46:43 AM) icarito: but in the meantime we have to deal with these issues ourselves | *(09:47:14 AM) walter: it is easy to imagine ways to make a business here | ||
(09:46:58 AM) icarito: pflores: NGO needs a business plan to | |||
(09:46:59 AM) walter: So let's write a business plan... | |||
(09:47:13 AM) icarito: pflores: at least if it wants to stay Busy - ness | |||
(09:47:14 AM) walter: it is easy to imagine ways to make a business here | |||
(09:47:28 AM) icarito: there is certainly a market | (09:47:28 AM) icarito: there is certainly a market | ||
*(09:47:29 AM) pflores: On the other hand, if we have a NGO, we may not get help from ANII, but we may get more help from other companies and other governamental organizations, like LATU | |||
*(09:47:33 AM) dirakx: and then do partnership with SL. | |||
*(09:47:35 AM) walter: offering support, training, software services, ... | |||
*(09:48:01 AM) aa: I´m worried about how to include the documentation, translation, and pedagogical responsabilities we talked about in a business plan | |||
*(09:48:09 AM) tomeu1: hmm, pity we don't have people from educalibre.cl in this meeting | |||
*(09:48:14 AM) walter: ideally, there is local company that can help set up the SL XYZ | |||
*(09:48:46 AM) walter: @aa: why is it a worry? | |||
*(09:49:12 AM) aa: walter: because it was defined as an integral part of a local SL | |||
*(09:49:28 AM) icarito: business have an obligation to be for profit, is that the problem? | |||
*(09:49:36 AM) walter: I am not understanding something here | |||
*(09:50:01 AM) icarito: aa i also dont see the problem in those goals even if its a for profit entity | |||
*(09:50:18 AM) aa: icarito: of course not | |||
*(09:50:27 AM) aa: in fact, I think the business idea is very good | |||