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:'''tomeu''' hi all!
 
:'''tomeu''' hi all!
 
:'''walterbender''' hi
 
:'''walterbender''' hi
it is about that time :)
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:it is about that time :)
is bernie here?
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:is bernie here?
anyone besides tomeu actually listening?
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:anyone besides tomeu actually listening?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' helooo?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' helooo?
 
:'''walterbender''' do we have quorum? We only have 3 so far
 
:'''walterbender''' do we have quorum? We only have 3 so far
 
:'''tomeu''' cjb, mchua, CanoeBerry: ping
 
:'''tomeu''' cjb, mchua, CanoeBerry: ping
 
:'''walterbender''' we can chat in the meantime.
 
:'''walterbender''' we can chat in the meantime.
I had a long talk with the GeoGebra team this morning...
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:I had a long talk with the GeoGebra team this morning...
 
:'''cjb''' morning
 
:'''cjb''' morning
 
:'''walterbender''' They are excited about getting their activity running on Sugar... but it will finally force the issue of getting decent Java support running...
 
:'''walterbender''' They are excited about getting their activity running on Sugar... but it will finally force the issue of getting decent Java support running...
ah. quorum...
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:ah. quorum...
 
:'''#'''startmeeting
 
:'''#'''startmeeting
 
:'''meeting''' Meeting started at 11:05 UTC. The chair is walterbender.
 
:'''meeting''' Meeting started at 11:05 UTC. The chair is walterbender.
Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
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:Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
 
:'''walterbender''' A quick roll call:
 
:'''walterbender''' A quick roll call:
* walterbender here
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* walterbender:here
* SeanDaly here
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* SeanDaly:here
* cjb here
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* cjb:here
* tomeu as well
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* tomeu:as well
 
:'''walterbender''' I hope mchua pops in for the GSoC discussion
 
:'''walterbender''' I hope mchua pops in for the GSoC discussion
meanwhile, shall we start with the usual: Trademarks?
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:meanwhile, shall we start with the usual: Trademarks?
 
:'''#'''topic update on TM discussion
 
:'''#'''topic update on TM discussion
 
:'''SeanDaly''' I had a message from Joe Raftery, but he edited my wiki page instead of sending a mail, he asked a question but I can't reach him
 
:'''SeanDaly''' I had a message from Joe Raftery, but he edited my wiki page instead of sending a mail, he asked a question but I can't reach him
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly, cjb: anything worth summarizing from the discussions on the lists?
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly, cjb: anything worth summarizing from the discussions on the lists?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' I think there's a concern that the procedure will be complex
 
:'''SeanDaly''' I think there's a concern that the procedure will be complex
I think it should be policy for approval to be fast-track for FOSS projects,
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:I think it should be policy for approval to be fast-track for FOSS projects,
 
:'''cjb''' walterbender: I think everyone who commented was against the idea that we need more strict trademark rules than the other free software projects we've been comparing ourselves to
 
:'''cjb''' walterbender: I think everyone who commented was against the idea that we need more strict trademark rules than the other free software projects we've been comparing ourselves to
 
:'''SeanDaly''' and deeper review for commercial partners
 
:'''SeanDaly''' and deeper review for commercial partners
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly, cjb: do we have any specific language to propose?
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly, cjb: do we have any specific language to propose?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' well, there were two comments... and no reply to my reply
 
:'''SeanDaly''' well, there were two comments... and no reply to my reply
Not today I'm afraid since I was wiped out from l'Atelier OLPC France day (which went very well)
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:Not today I'm afraid since I was wiped out from l'Atelier OLPC France day (which went very well)
But, it's clearer and clearer to me how I think it should work
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:But, it's clearer and clearer to me how I think it should work
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly: it is great that the atelier went well...
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly: it is great that the atelier went well...
 
:'''SeanDaly''' yes I will brief SLOBs on great contacts in separate mail
 
:'''SeanDaly''' yes I will brief SLOBs on great contacts in separate mail
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly, cjb: maybe the next step is for the two of you to work together on some new langauge to post to the lists...
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly, cjb: maybe the next step is for the two of you to work together on some new langauge to post to the lists...
 
:'''SeanDaly''' my pres. appreciated and will be published by OLPC France
 
:'''SeanDaly''' my pres. appreciated and will be published by OLPC France
back on topic: two things
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:back on topic: two things
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly: (we need to follow up re Rotary one of these days too.)
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly: (we need to follow up re Rotary one of these days too.)
 
:'''SeanDaly''' re other FOSS projects: the only one I'm interested in comparing with is a successful one
 
:'''SeanDaly''' re other FOSS projects: the only one I'm interested in comparing with is a successful one
walterbender: true
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:walterbender: true
Mozilla has been very successful with branding
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:Mozilla has been very successful with branding
However, that doesn't mean we need to carbon copy their policy
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:However, that doesn't mean we need to carbon copy their policy
I'd like to emulate Dolby and Intel, but without the fees
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:I'd like to emulate Dolby and Intel, but without the fees
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly cjb: it seems the two of you are representative of the diversity of opinions, so if you can reach consensus, it will prob. be a good position.
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly cjb: it seems the two of you are representative of the diversity of opinions, so if you can reach consensus, it will prob. be a good position.
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender: sounds good
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender: sounds good
 
:'''cjb''' walterbender: ok
 
:'''cjb''' walterbender: ok
not sure what a concrete next step should be, though
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:not sure what a concrete next step should be, though
 
:'''walterbender''' would you have time over the next week?
 
:'''walterbender''' would you have time over the next week?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' second point: in light of my first point, are we sure we never want to charge commercial partners?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' second point: in light of my first point, are we sure we never want to charge commercial partners?
 
:'''cjb''' I'm interested in whether it's possible to use automatic revocation upon non-compliance in trademark licenses
 
:'''cjb''' I'm interested in whether it's possible to use automatic revocation upon non-compliance in trademark licenses
but I don't know how to find an answer to that
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:but I don't know how to find an answer to that
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: it sure is, but the question is enforcement
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: it sure is, but the question is enforcement
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: the goal is something simple and inviting for FOSS projects while maintaining some degree of oversight (as required by TM law and by our community standards)
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: the goal is something simple and inviting for FOSS projects while maintaining some degree of oversight (as required by TM law and by our community standards)
 
:'''cjb''' SeanDaly: surely if we don't have any enforcement available, it doesn't matter what the policy says?
 
:'''cjb''' SeanDaly: surely if we don't have any enforcement available, it doesn't matter what the policy says?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: we do have enforcement
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: we do have enforcement
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:'''cjb''' ah. what exactly is the question, then?
 
:'''cjb''' ah. what exactly is the question, then?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' but just because the law says somebody can't steal a car, I won't leave a car running unattended with the keys in the ignition
 
:'''SeanDaly''' but just because the law says somebody can't steal a car, I won't leave a car running unattended with the keys in the ignition
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:'''tomeu''' not sure how well fares the moodle brand, though ;)
 
:'''tomeu''' not sure how well fares the moodle brand, though ;)
 
:'''SeanDaly''' tomeu: moodle brand not known by public, but well-known among educators by word-of-mouth
 
:'''SeanDaly''' tomeu: moodle brand not known by public, but well-known among educators by word-of-mouth
I believe they have a rather restrictive partner policy: 2 per country
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:I believe they have a rather restrictive partner policy: 2 per country
 
:'''cjb''' wow, that is a surprising policy
 
:'''cjb''' wow, that is a surprising policy
 
:'''walterbender''' well, keeping in mind that we need more mindshare from educators...
 
:'''walterbender''' well, keeping in mind that we need more mindshare from educators...
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:'''tomeu''' ah, ok
 
:'''tomeu''' ah, ok
 
:'''cjb''' maybe they will say "we think automatic trademark licenses don't work and we don't want to use them"
 
:'''cjb''' maybe they will say "we think automatic trademark licenses don't work and we don't want to use them"
and that would be useful to hear
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:and that would be useful to hear
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: Karen said: "decide what you want & we will write the language"
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: Karen said: "decide what you want & we will write the language"
* tomeu thanks cjb and SeanDaly for taking this unsexy task
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* tomeu:thanks cjb and SeanDaly for taking this unsexy task
 
:'''cjb''' ok, we'll work on it :)
 
:'''cjb''' ok, we'll work on it :)
 
:'''walterbender''' #action cjb and SeanDaly will draft some new TM and run it past the community for review.
 
:'''walterbender''' #action cjb and SeanDaly will draft some new TM and run it past the community for review.
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:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: well, a fair policy for FOSS projects with fast-track approval - what's not to like? :D
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: well, a fair policy for FOSS projects with fast-track approval - what's not to like? :D
 
:'''walterbender''' we are never going to all agree on ever detail, but if we can find something we can all work with productively...
 
:'''walterbender''' we are never going to all agree on ever detail, but if we can find something we can all work with productively...
let's run through a few other agenda items in the meantime.
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:let's run through a few other agenda items in the meantime.
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender: after plain English policy will be legal doc by Karen, so still a ways to go...
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender: after plain English policy will be legal doc by Karen, so still a ways to go...
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly: as long as we are moving towards the goal.
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly: as long as we are moving towards the goal.
On a related topic, we have a few new TM requests that have come in this week.
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:On a related topic, we have a few new TM requests that have come in this week.
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender: top-of-mind! :D
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender: top-of-mind! :D
I'm especially interested in openSUSE case
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:I'm especially interested in openSUSE case
 
:'''walterbender''' Paraguay would like to use our mark and become some flavor of Sugar Lab...
 
:'''walterbender''' Paraguay would like to use our mark and become some flavor of Sugar Lab...
they'd like an agreement from us.
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:they'd like an agreement from us.
 
:'''SeanDaly''' we don't have a way of recognizing "official" local labs do we?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' we don't have a way of recognizing "official" local labs do we?
a procedure even?
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:a procedure even?
 
:'''walterbender''' Well, we are somewhat mired at the moment.
 
:'''walterbender''' Well, we are somewhat mired at the moment.
we had a process in place before the TM debate
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:we had a process in place before the TM debate
but the TM debate seems to superceed it.
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:but the TM debate seems to superceed it.
 
:'''SeanDaly''' yes, related...
 
:'''SeanDaly''' yes, related...
 
:'''tomeu''' may be interesting to move forward with SLs argentina, in sight of recent news
 
:'''tomeu''' may be interesting to move forward with SLs argentina, in sight of recent news
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:'''tomeu''' the article is better than its title
 
:'''tomeu''' the article is better than its title
 
:'''SeanDaly''' this is precisely why I wish to coordinate PR & marketing with OLPC-F and especially OLPC-A
 
:'''SeanDaly''' this is precisely why I wish to coordinate PR & marketing with OLPC-F and especially OLPC-A
I have pinged Rodrigo again
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:I have pinged Rodrigo again
more Sugar, less tech spex
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:more Sugar, less tech spex
 
:'''walterbender''' Anyway, I'll let Cecilia know that we are working on something for Paraguay...
 
:'''walterbender''' Anyway, I'll let Cecilia know that we are working on something for Paraguay...
* lfaraone waves.
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* lfaraone:waves.
 
:'''walterbender''' OK. Can we talk about GSoC?
 
:'''walterbender''' OK. Can we talk about GSoC?
 
:'''tomeu''' I count on paraguay educa to help other countries work together in sugar
 
:'''tomeu''' I count on paraguay educa to help other countries work together in sugar
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender:re expedite requests: I fully agree
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender:re expedite requests: I fully agree
hey just heard back from Rodrigo - looks like we will start coordinating!!
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:hey just heard back from Rodrigo - looks like we will start coordinating!!
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly: great...
 
:'''walterbender''' SeanDaly: great...
 
:'''tomeu''' about gsoc, I'm personally going to focus my time on other contributors such as from downstreams
 
:'''tomeu''' about gsoc, I'm personally going to focus my time on other contributors such as from downstreams
 
:'''walterbender''' #topic gsoc
 
:'''walterbender''' #topic gsoc
 
:'''tomeu''' gsoc students have taken lots of my time in past editions
 
:'''tomeu''' gsoc students have taken lots of my time in past editions
and I'm not sure it was really worth it, compared to other contributors
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:and I'm not sure it was really worth it, compared to other contributors
 
:'''mchua''' Do we know what sorts of things we'd want gsoc students to take on this summer? Is this the best use of our time?
 
:'''mchua''' Do we know what sorts of things we'd want gsoc students to take on this summer? Is this the best use of our time?
 
:'''cjb''' tomeu: yeah, I see where you're coming from
 
:'''cjb''' tomeu: yeah, I see where you're coming from
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:'''cjb''' well, one nice thing about gsoc is that it forces us to write down stuff we'd like other people to help with
 
:'''cjb''' well, one nice thing about gsoc is that it forces us to write down stuff we'd like other people to help with
 
:'''walterbender''' and some students, even if their project is not viable, go on to be community members
 
:'''walterbender''' and some students, even if their project is not viable, go on to be community members
cjb: yes... it enforces a certain discipline
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:cjb: yes... it enforces a certain discipline
and it is a right of passage for a FOSS project
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:and it is a right of passage for a FOSS project
it keeps us in the broader community eye
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:it keeps us in the broader community eye
 
:'''tomeu''' maybe activities would be more appropriate for gsoc?
 
:'''tomeu''' maybe activities would be more appropriate for gsoc?
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' Apologies for the very late arrival.
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' Apologies for the very late arrival.
 
:'''walterbender''' for example, just this morning, GeoGebra was talk about getting involved with us on GSoC...
 
:'''walterbender''' for example, just this morning, GeoGebra was talk about getting involved with us on GSoC...
hi Adam
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:hi Adam
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' Ciao Todos
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' Ciao Todos
 
:'''walterbender''' Adam: need a backlog?
 
:'''walterbender''' Adam: need a backlog?
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:'''walterbender''' I think we tied to tackle projects with too large of a scope last year...
 
:'''walterbender''' I think we tied to tackle projects with too large of a scope last year...
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: +1
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: +1
also, there's a very wide range of experience and capabilities in students
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:also, there's a very wide range of experience and capabilities in students
 
:'''walterbender''' but the first step is to decide (1) do we apply this year and (2) is yes, who is the team?
 
:'''walterbender''' but the first step is to decide (1) do we apply this year and (2) is yes, who is the team?
 
:'''tomeu''' we should match better projects with individuals
 
:'''tomeu''' we should match better projects with individuals
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:'''cjb''' I'd like to see us apply but have frankly no intention of helping. sorry. :)
 
:'''cjb''' I'd like to see us apply but have frankly no intention of helping. sorry. :)
 
:'''mchua''' (1) who, if anyone, is interested in leading the sl gsoc charge this year? (2) do we feel comfortable selecting a team/lead from those who volunteered and handing this responsibility to them, pretty much completely?
 
:'''mchua''' (1) who, if anyone, is interested in leading the sl gsoc charge this year? (2) do we feel comfortable selecting a team/lead from those who volunteered and handing this responsibility to them, pretty much completely?
* mchua has no objections to applying, but has no further hands to lend for it this summer.
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* mchua:has no objections to applying, but has no further hands to lend for it this summer.
 
:'''walterbender''' I so far have heard from one person... Tim McNamara
 
:'''walterbender''' I so far have heard from one person... Tim McNamara
 
:'''cjb''' perhaps we should post to iaep asking for volunteers to lead?
 
:'''cjb''' perhaps we should post to iaep asking for volunteers to lead?
there was Jameson (and mchua) last year
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:there was Jameson (and mchua) last year
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: I've asked twice, both times buried on the Sugar Digest
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: I've asked twice, both times buried on the Sugar Digest
 
:'''cjb''' ah, sorry.
 
:'''cjb''' ah, sorry.
* mchua cleaning up a stub page for that right now, will be ready in ~5m
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* mchua:cleaning up a stub page for that right now, will be ready in ~5m
 
:'''cjb''' I do read them :-)
 
:'''cjb''' I do read them :-)
 
:'''mchua''' Yeah, I saw the mentions but they may have been lost inline for most readers.
 
:'''mchua''' Yeah, I saw the mentions but they may have been lost inline for most readers.
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: well, it is obvious that I haven't done a good job getting the word out...
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: well, it is obvious that I haven't done a good job getting the word out...
I'll work with Tim and try to pull in some more help.
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:I'll work with Tim and try to pull in some more help.
mchua: the materials we prepared last year should mostly be relevant for this year.
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:mchua: the materials we prepared last year should mostly be relevant for this year.
* mchua nods.
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* mchua:nods.
 
:'''walterbender''' #action Walter to be more aggressive about assembling a team for GSoC
 
:'''walterbender''' #action Walter to be more aggressive about assembling a team for GSoC
Any other suggestions re this topic?
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:Any other suggestions re this topic?
OK. well, I have my action item.
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:OK. well, I have my action item.
The final topic on today's agenda is to review our goals for 2010.
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:The final topic on today's agenda is to review our goals for 2010.
 
:'''#'''topic Goals for 2010
 
:'''#'''topic Goals for 2010
I wrote a first draft for comment...
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:I wrote a first draft for comment...
* walterbender looks for the URL
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* walterbender:looks for the URL
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' Side Comment about Tim McNamara..
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' Side Comment about Tim McNamara..
He's 100% awesome and helping me lead QA back on track.
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:He's 100% awesome and helping me lead QA back on track.
Where we can help.
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:Where we can help.
The Sri Lankan team is very serious.
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:The Sri Lankan team is very serious.
 
:'''tomeu''' CanoeBerry: hmm, maybe next development team meeting could be about QA?
 
:'''tomeu''' CanoeBerry: hmm, maybe next development team meeting could be about QA?
 
:'''walterbender''' http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2010-01-22#Goals_for_2010_2
 
:'''walterbender''' http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2010-01-22#Goals_for_2010_2
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:'''mchua''' CanoeBerry: in fact, please ping iaep
 
:'''mchua''' CanoeBerry: in fact, please ping iaep
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' Will do.
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' Will do.
* tomeu reads proposed goals
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* tomeu:reads proposed goals
 
:'''mchua''' walterbender: (note that I set an arbitrary date of feb 17 for announcing interest deadline, so we can pick a coordinator 2 meetings from now)
 
:'''mchua''' walterbender: (note that I set an arbitrary date of feb 17 for announcing interest deadline, so we can pick a coordinator 2 meetings from now)
 
:'''walterbender''' re goals, they are all pretty generic and not easy to measure...
 
:'''walterbender''' re goals, they are all pretty generic and not easy to measure...
 
:'''tomeu''' is it REL or RHEL?
 
:'''tomeu''' is it REL or RHEL?
 
:'''cjb''' it's RHEL
 
:'''cjb''' it's RHEL
pronounced our-hell :)
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:pronounced our-hell :)
 
:'''tomeu''' :D
 
:'''tomeu''' :D
 
:'''walterbender''' regardless of the spelling, that will be an up-hill battle...
 
:'''walterbender''' regardless of the spelling, that will be an up-hill battle...
not technically, but in terms of the RHEL goals...
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:not technically, but in terms of the RHEL goals...
 
:'''mchua''' What can be done to make it easier?
 
:'''mchua''' What can be done to make it easier?
 
:'''cjb''' yes, similar to the three-year-old battles at OLPC about what the software base would be
 
:'''cjb''' yes, similar to the three-year-old battles at OLPC about what the software base would be
we rejected RHEL then because we knew we needed newer software than it provides
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:we rejected RHEL then because we knew we needed newer software than it provides
so I don't really understand why we think we might be a good idea now :)
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:so I don't really understand why we think we might be a good idea now :)
* mchua was curious about that one too.
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* mchua:was curious about that one too.
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: not sure how well it is covered by your proposal, but I planned to keep focusing on bringing more downstream people into sugar development: olpc deployments, igalia, davidfarning's initiative, etc
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: not sure how well it is covered by your proposal, but I planned to keep focusing on bringing more downstream people into sugar development: olpc deployments, igalia, davidfarning's initiative, etc
I think we care specially because of LTSP deployments in schools?
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:I think we care specially because of LTSP deployments in schools?
 
:'''walterbender''' tomeu: please add some new langauge
 
:'''walterbender''' tomeu: please add some new langauge
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: will do
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: will do
* mchua wrote up her homework here:
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* mchua:wrote up her homework here:
 
:'''mchua''' #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mchua/Goals_2010
 
:'''mchua''' #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mchua/Goals_2010
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: do we need to do anything special regarding RHEL?
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: do we need to do anything special regarding RHEL?
it is similar to how olpc decides that their next release will be f11 with 0.84
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:it is similar to how olpc decides that their next release will be f11 with 0.84
 
:'''mchua''' tomeu: "package things for EPEL," aiui.
 
:'''mchua''' tomeu: "package things for EPEL," aiui.
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: re RHEL... It seems to me that offering a distro-based solution with an expected lifetime measured in multiple years would be desirable for our deployments.
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: re RHEL... It seems to me that offering a distro-based solution with an expected lifetime measured in multiple years would be desirable for our deployments.
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:'''walterbender''' cjb: 3-years ago, Sugar wasn't ready... but I can anticipate being there soon... but maybe we are still 1 year too soon.
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: 3-years ago, Sugar wasn't ready... but I can anticipate being there soon... but maybe we are still 1 year too soon.
 
:'''SeanDaly''' actually, our six-month schedule means we will always be ahead of deployments; yet, it's a good rhythm for improving quickly
 
:'''SeanDaly''' actually, our six-month schedule means we will always be ahead of deployments; yet, it's a good rhythm for improving quickly
a very stable Sugar would guarantee our success
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:a very stable Sugar would guarantee our success
 
:'''mchua''' tomeu: (again, aiui) what we'd want to do is have Sugar stuff packaged in the EPEL (extra packages for enterprise linux) repositories, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
 
:'''mchua''' tomeu: (again, aiui) what we'd want to do is have Sugar stuff packaged in the EPEL (extra packages for enterprise linux) repositories, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: maybe we shouldn't worry too much about this RHEL and rather worry about the next one
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: maybe we shouldn't worry too much about this RHEL and rather worry about the next one
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:'''tomeu''' cjb: yup
 
:'''tomeu''' cjb: yup
 
:'''cjb''' ahh
 
:'''cjb''' ahh
when is that scheduled for?
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:when is that scheduled for?
 
:'''tomeu''' mchua: right, so no big deal, right?
 
:'''tomeu''' mchua: right, so no big deal, right?
 
:'''mchua''' tomeu: right, no big deal at all.
 
:'''mchua''' tomeu: right, no big deal at all.
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:'''tomeu''' walterbender: sounds good to discuss how would sugar 1.0 would look like
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: sounds good to discuss how would sugar 1.0 would look like
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' INVITE: Will anybody here be joining Gerald Ardito & I our OLPC/Sugar/Haiti Creole Dinner Saturday NYC 5:30? Co-hosted with NYC's Haiti Crisis Camp. Please let me know!
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' INVITE: Will anybody here be joining Gerald Ardito & I our OLPC/Sugar/Haiti Creole Dinner Saturday NYC 5:30? Co-hosted with NYC's Haiti Crisis Camp. Please let me know!
http://kombitrestaurant.com
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:http://kombitrestaurant.com
 
:'''tomeu''' I can see RHEL being a big deal for us if whatever version we had in the corresponding fedora release wasn't what we wanted in a stable distro
 
:'''tomeu''' I can see RHEL being a big deal for us if whatever version we had in the corresponding fedora release wasn't what we wanted in a stable distro
 
:'''SeanDaly''' might make more sense to imagine a major deployment as being the v1.0
 
:'''SeanDaly''' might make more sense to imagine a major deployment as being the v1.0
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:'''SeanDaly''' with QA resources to match
 
:'''SeanDaly''' with QA resources to match
 
:'''tomeu''' but maybe we don't need to worry so much right now
 
:'''tomeu''' but maybe we don't need to worry so much right now
walterbender: makes sense
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:walterbender: makes sense
SeanDaly: yeah, very important
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:SeanDaly: yeah, very important
 
:'''cjb''' mchua: ok. but we don't have to do anything special for it other than getting our packages working well in Fedora, I'm guessing
 
:'''cjb''' mchua: ok. but we don't have to do anything special for it other than getting our packages working well in Fedora, I'm guessing
 
:'''walterbender''' so I will take it off the list of goals for 2010
 
:'''walterbender''' so I will take it off the list of goals for 2010
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:'''SeanDaly''' How does Sugar run on that distro?
 
:'''SeanDaly''' How does Sugar run on that distro?
 
:'''mchua''' cjb: and the step after that is "now that they're packaged (in EPEL) for RHEL, let's QA the living daylights out of it" which is an open question re: resources imo.
 
:'''mchua''' cjb: and the step after that is "now that they're packaged (in EPEL) for RHEL, let's QA the living daylights out of it" which is an open question re: resources imo.
...but comes along much later. perhaps even next year.
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:...but comes along much later. perhaps even next year.
 
:'''walterbender''' new wording: Define Sugar 1.0 so that we can begin partnering with long-term stable distros, such as RHEL
 
:'''walterbender''' new wording: Define Sugar 1.0 so that we can begin partnering with long-term stable distros, such as RHEL
 
:'''tomeu''' cjb: not impossible for alsroot ;)
 
:'''tomeu''' cjb: not impossible for alsroot ;)
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:'''tomeu''' heh
 
:'''tomeu''' heh
 
:'''cjb''' looks like we have 2 mins, folks
 
:'''cjb''' looks like we have 2 mins, folks
anything else?
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:anything else?
lfaraone, walterbender: did the WMF servers arrive?
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:lfaraone, walterbender: did the WMF servers arrive?
 
:'''walterbender''' mchua: well, we need to talk about where we think we'll be at 1.0 in more concrete terms...
 
:'''walterbender''' mchua: well, we need to talk about where we think we'll be at 1.0 in more concrete terms...
 
:'''tomeu''' mchua: stating what we want sugar 1.0 look like?
 
:'''tomeu''' mchua: stating what we want sugar 1.0 look like?
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:'''lfaraone''' cjb: they were supposed to ship wed, so we're looking at mon/tues
 
:'''lfaraone''' cjb: they were supposed to ship wed, so we're looking at mon/tues
 
:'''SeanDaly''' I see 2 key goals for SL in 2010:
 
:'''SeanDaly''' I see 2 key goals for SL in 2010:
1) fundraising
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:1) fundraising
2) a website with the Sugar interface so anyone can try online
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:2) a website with the Sugar interface so anyone can try online
 
:'''walterbender''' could we take it as an action for everyone to review the goals list and make changes?
 
:'''walterbender''' could we take it as an action for everyone to review the goals list and make changes?
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: +1
 
:'''tomeu''' walterbender: +1
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:'''mchua''' walterbender: more concrete terms for what, though? design, technical specs, deployability, features, activities, mechanisms-of-participation... ? what's the scope?
 
:'''mchua''' walterbender: more concrete terms for what, though? design, technical specs, deployability, features, activities, mechanisms-of-participation... ? what's the scope?
 
:'''walterbender''' OK... time is about up.
 
:'''walterbender''' OK... time is about up.
I am traveling next week and may or may not be able to get on line. Shall we plan to meet again in two weeks?
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:I am traveling next week and may or may not be able to get on line. Shall we plan to meet again in two weeks?
 
:'''mchua''' worksforme.
 
:'''mchua''' worksforme.
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender: in CSS and running on the iPad :D
 
:'''SeanDaly''' walterbender: in CSS and running on the iPad :D
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:'''walterbender''' cjb: by all means, please contact her
 
:'''walterbender''' cjb: by all means, please contact her
 
:'''cjb''' just to see whether she has any preference on how enforceable they are
 
:'''cjb''' just to see whether she has any preference on how enforceable they are
thanks
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:thanks
 
:'''walterbender''' OK.
 
:'''walterbender''' OK.
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' ANNC: deployment presentation this Sunday 12 Noon @ OLPC by Vietnam Volunteer Nancie Severs.
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' ANNC: deployment presentation this Sunday 12 Noon @ OLPC by Vietnam Volunteer Nancie Severs.
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: you mean if they can possibly work ;-) sure
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: you mean if they can possibly work ;-) sure
* mchua has a SoaS pilot to start up, will be mildly hosed next week.
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* mchua:has a SoaS pilot to start up, will be mildly hosed next week.
 
:'''walterbender''' thanks everyone.
 
:'''walterbender''' thanks everyone.
 
:'''cjb''' SeanDaly: yeah :)
 
:'''cjb''' SeanDaly: yeah :)
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:'''walterbender''' #endmeeting
 
:'''walterbender''' #endmeeting
 
:'''meeting''' Meeting finished at 12:06.
 
:'''meeting''' Meeting finished at 12:06.
Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/sugar-meeting/
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:Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/sugar-meeting/
 
:'''walterbender''' CanoeBerry: cannot join you in NYC :(
 
:'''walterbender''' CanoeBerry: cannot join you in NYC :(
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' RSVP Required: Write holt @ laptop . org
 
:'''CanoeBerry''' RSVP Required: Write holt @ laptop . org
OK, Sunday's meeting is Boston, can you make it?
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:OK, Sunday's meeting is Boston, can you make it?
12 Noon @ OLPC
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:12 Noon @ OLPC
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: keep in mind enforceability not the only criteria - we need to be in contact with our deployments to grow ecosystem & get feedback
 
:'''SeanDaly''' cjb: keep in mind enforceability not the only criteria - we need to be in contact with our deployments to grow ecosystem & get feedback
 
:'''walterbender''' mchua: re your third goal, we have the offer of Miami. We need to decide when.
 
:'''walterbender''' mchua: re your third goal, we have the offer of Miami. We need to decide when.