Oversight Board/2018/meeting-log-2018-12-07
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[06:48:48] -*- octamois nips in for meeting [07:00:38] --> sammy has joined #sugar-meeting [07:01:44] --> walterbender has joined #sugar-meeting [07:01:57] <sammy> Hello all [07:02:04] <walterbender> hi [07:02:19] <ifeanyi_> Hi all [07:02:39] <FreddieNGCI> hi [07:03:21] <sammy> I am also samsongoddy [07:04:52] <amaan_iqbal9> Hi everyone [07:07:07] <sammy> walterbender, i think it is 21:00 already [07:07:22] <perrie> hi [07:08:37] <sammy> hello perrie [07:14:35] <walterbender> IT IS 20UTC now. But I forgot to take into account US changed its clocks last month [07:14:48] <sammy> Oh [07:14:57] <walterbender> So I am guessing many people will be coming in an hour :P [07:15:08] <walterbender> Mea cupla [07:15:13] <sammy> Yeah timezone issues [07:15:27] <sammy> WAT time hardly change [07:15:35] --> vipulgupta2048 has joined #sugar-meeting [07:17:24] <perrie> yeah [07:21:26] --> iqra has joined #sugar-meeting [07:24:27] <-- iqra has quit (Client Quit) [07:26:59] <Quozl> oh, i see, 20utc was half an hour ago, and 4pm us/eastern is in half an hour from now. [07:36:09] --> iqra has joined #sugar-meeting [07:39:06] <-- iqra has quit (Client Quit) [07:40:17] <-- samsongoddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:40:31] --> MrBIOS has joined #sugar-meeting [07:46:54] <walterbender> Quozl, yes... I messed up [07:47:29] <walterbender> We could do the India thing and be on the half hour... or the Nepal thing and do 15 minutes from India :P [07:49:47] -*- walterbender is looking forward to not being the one to run meetings [07:50:18] <MrBIOS> what got messed up? [07:52:27] <Quozl> copy and paste error, is all. [07:52:37] <Quozl> some country somewhere changed their offset to utc. [07:53:35] <walterbender> I was a ploy to see if I could get some SLOB members to show up :P [07:55:13] --> callaurrea has joined #sugar-meeting [07:55:27] <callaurrea> good afternoon [07:56:07] <walterbender> hi callaurrea [07:56:07] <sammy> hello callaurrea [07:56:57] <callaurrea> Good to be here [07:57:06] <callaurrea> early [07:57:13] <callaurrea> and no drama with irc [07:57:15] <callaurrea> :) [07:57:23] <sammy> Lol [07:57:28] <amaan_iqbal9> Yes, lol [07:57:39] <callaurrea> hehe [07:57:44] <callaurrea> I was nervous [07:57:46] <amaan_iqbal9> Many times I had faced the problem of IRC blocking me [07:57:49] <perrie> lol [07:58:34] <Quozl> the irc blocking may return, it depends on the war. [07:58:44] <MrBIOS> so far, so good. For now. [07:58:49] <Quozl> so work on your registration. [07:59:01] <Quozl> and get a good irc client that knows how to do registration. [07:59:07] <walterbender> I heard it is some guy in his bedroom in New Jersey. [07:59:21] <MrBIOS> Quozl: s/bedroom/parent’s basement/g [07:59:33] <Quozl> i heard it was a rogue ai. [07:59:34] <callaurrea> that explains it all [07:59:38] <MrBIOS> walterbender: , rather [07:59:42] <Quozl> one of those silly chatbots nobody needs. ;-) [07:59:54] <walterbender> Well... we should get started [08:00:01] <amaan_iqbal9> Yup [08:00:13] -*- MrBIOS returns to lurking [08:00:34] <walterbender> welcome to the last SL oversight board meeting of 2019. [08:00:43] <walterbender> Any SLOB members here? [08:00:45] <MrBIOS> is samson joining? [08:00:45] <walterbender> callaurrea, [08:00:54] <sammy> i am here [08:01:00] <sammy> samsongoddy is sammy [08:01:05] <MrBIOS> ah ok :) [08:01:10] <walterbender> One more and we have a quorum [08:01:26] <walterbender> But we start regardless. [08:01:35] <walterbender> #topic GCI [08:01:44] <walterbender> We are entering the last week of GCI [08:01:57] <walterbender> It has been really busy from the start [08:02:27] <callaurrea> great [08:02:34] <ifeanyi_> I'm here [08:02:47] <walterbender> more than 500 students are participating [08:03:08] <Quozl> i think the quantity and quality of coding is substantially down from last year, and i think that is reflection of the number of mentors who haven't made comprehensive contributions. [08:03:33] <Quozl> but then, i'm only measuring pull requests and commits. not the stuff that generates nothing. [08:04:03] <walterbender> I think is it less about mentoring and more about the tasks we made available [08:04:07] <MrBIOS> is there a comprehensive list of GCI tasks that have been worked on and completed, outside of the GCI web UI? [08:04:17] <MrBIOS> it seems there is a transparency problem on that front [08:04:30] <walterbender> That is a structural problem. [08:04:50] <walterbender> Not sure how to fix it [08:05:04] <Quozl> MrBIOS: as it is a competition, there is a private group that has access, and limited review of task definitions. the more people who have access, the greater risk of solutions being sold in advance to students. [08:05:19] <walterbender> But I didn't get much input from devel when making the initial task list before the contest began [08:05:38] <MrBIOS> I understand. [08:05:40] <amaan_iqbal9> Its also a problem [08:05:41] <callaurrea> hmmm [08:06:06] <MrBIOS> when does GCI wrap up? [08:06:12] <walterbender> One week [08:06:34] <amaan_iqbal9> Around 5 days [08:06:54] <callaurrea> It would be good to organize the tasks in different buckets and see if we have data that support the most successful ones [08:06:55] <walterbender> The bottom line, somewhat correlated with Quozl 's observation, is that the areas where there are active mentors get the most attention. [08:07:06] <walterbender> Lots of work done on Music Blocks, for example [08:07:11] <walterbender> and Sugarizer. [08:07:12] <callaurrea> great [08:08:06] <MrBIOS> has any work been done on Core Sugar during GCI? [08:08:13] <walterbender> very little [08:09:01] <Quozl> none on Sugar, some metadata fixes for activities, some API changes. [08:09:11] <walterbender> To be honest, I got caught by the earlier dates of the program this year. Not a good match with my work schedule. [08:10:45] <Quozl> thanks for the update, i'm fine to move on, i don't see any need to make a decision on this topic. [08:11:01] <walterbender> Just fodder for next year. [08:11:08] <walterbender> #topic election [08:11:16] <walterbender> sammy, can you give a quick update? [08:11:22] <sammy> Sure [08:11:28] <sammy> Everything is going fine [08:11:30] <sammy> So far [08:11:39] <sammy> About 40 voters already [08:11:46] <walterbender> One more week? [08:11:48] <sammy> No complaints yet [08:12:03] <Quozl> 40 out of how many again? [08:12:11] <sammy> 165 [08:12:15] <Quozl> erk [08:12:19] <callaurrea> sammy: can you please change the invitation to callaurrea@gmail.com [08:12:24] <Quozl> how many undeliverable bounces? [08:12:28] <callaurrea> I don't use the laptop account [08:12:29] <sammy> Okay sure [08:12:31] <walterbender> better than the usual turnout in the States [08:12:32] <sammy> I will [08:12:39] <callaurrea> thanks [08:12:48] <sammy> Two bounces [08:12:52] <sammy> Fixed all [08:12:54] <Quozl> walterbender: none of us would think the united states to be a reasonable representation of a democracy. ;-) [08:13:23] --> ibiam has joined #sugar-meeting [08:13:40] <walterbender> anything else on this topic? [08:13:54] <Quozl> next year i'd hope for seven days instead of 14. [08:13:56] <MrBIOS> would it make sense to try and organize a Q&A session, on IRC, between now and the end of the election cycle? [08:14:10] <ibiam> Hi, sorry I'm late [08:14:14] <Quozl> MrBIOS: isn't this it? [08:14:19] <sammy> callaurrea, done [08:14:30] <callaurrea> MrBIOS: great ideas [08:14:39] <callaurrea> thanks, sammy [08:14:46] <MrBIOS> Quozl: I would argue it’s a better idea to have more isolation between open campaigning and that, but sure, it could be [08:14:51] <sammy> +1 MrBIOS [08:14:56] <walterbender> is ahmed idris here??? from Kano? [08:15:17] <MrBIOS> is there anyone in this room who hasn’t voted yet? ;) [08:15:29] <sammy> You mean, Kano, Nigeria [08:15:35] <sammy> ? [08:15:42] <walterbender> sammy, yes [08:16:15] <sammy> I don't think ahmed idris is here [08:16:35] <MrBIOS> was he supposed to be? [08:16:50] <walterbender> anything else re the election? [08:16:54] <sammy> No [08:17:00] <sammy> I think i am done [08:17:01] <walterbender> #topic local lab in Kano [08:17:28] <walterbender> I was approached by Ahmed about getting a local lab started in Kano, Nigeria [08:17:41] <walterbender> He had developers and educators and interest. [08:17:45] <sammy> In person? [08:17:49] <ibiam> Great [08:17:59] <walterbender> I was hoping he'd be able to join us today, but apparently not. [08:18:20] <walterbender> But I will ask him to introduce himself by email [08:18:40] <ifeanyi_> Why Kano? How many active SL members are there? [08:18:58] <MrBIOS> Good question. Kano is big, 9 million+ [08:19:05] <sammy> Yes [08:19:05] <perrie> great! [08:19:15] <ibiam> ifeanyi_: and it's probably where he resides too [08:19:16] <sammy> One of the biggest in Nigeria [08:19:25] <walterbender> I will follow through... would be great. [08:19:37] <ibiam> Yeah [08:19:40] <walterbender> Maybe we can transition to marketing... [08:19:46] <sammy> sammy, i am interested in the conversation too [08:19:54] <walterbender> It seems we have several vectors for growth [08:20:02] <walterbender> things like Kano... [08:20:05] <MrBIOS> perhaps it would make sense for it to be pan-Nigeria? [08:20:13] <walterbender> and platforms like RPi [08:20:27] <walterbender> and OS work like Quozl has been doing on Ubuntu [08:20:44] <walterbender> MrBIOS, let's see what their interests are... [08:20:45] <ibiam> Yeahhh [08:20:51] <MrBIOS> of course. Too bad he didn’t make it [08:21:39] <sammy> RPi will be a good move [08:21:47] <sammy> As per marketing [08:22:00] <sammy> We need hardware to our software [08:22:07] <walterbender> It has been a halfhearted effort to date, but should be a serious on [08:22:11] <walterbender> one [08:22:25] <walterbender> We keep getting distracted [08:22:47] <walterbender> But focus has to be the order of the day for a small org with few devel resources [08:22:48] <Quozl> i make hardware, you could always ask my ceo. [08:23:41] <walterbender> Quozl, I haven't spoken to the Zamoras in a few years :P [08:23:53] <Quozl> i think for marketing a big problem we have is a web site made by volunteers or students that hasn't been provably successful; i suggested a/b testing in one of my github comments. [08:24:07] <Quozl> leah is my ceo. [08:24:22] <walterbender> Oh. I didn't know she was the CEO. [08:24:23] <ibiam> Quozl: Leah Saddle? [08:24:25] <walterbender> Nice [08:24:34] <sammy> Oh i spoke with her some months back [08:25:07] <walterbender> I will reach out to her because it is kind of silly we have zero direct communication with our biggest user group [08:25:53] <Quozl> for the web site it isn't enough to say "let's add a video", the question should be does it increase the time on page or not. [08:26:32] <MrBIOS> yeah, low quality content is a problem [08:26:41] <MrBIOS> it deserves some attention [08:26:47] <sammy> Most of the stuff on the site was basically an upgrade of content from the old one [08:26:59] <walterbender> is that the right metric? or some action by the visitor to do something, e.g., contact us, download something... [08:27:01] <Quozl> i know we have stock of hardware, i just won't tell you how much. contact leah. you'll need to give a shipping address for quotation. [08:27:33] <sammy> I am thinking about getting an NL3 [08:28:20] <MrBIOS> the PineBook is also something worth looking at, for bundling Sugar [08:28:23] <Quozl> just don't think of olpc as a web store. ;-) [08:29:14] <walterbender> we should survey the possible platforms... haven't done that in a while... [08:29:24] <MrBIOS> RPi3+ is much more performant than its ancestors [08:29:42] <walterbender> but making it easy to opt in to Sugar on a platform should be our approach [08:29:59] <ibiam> Yeah [08:30:01] <walterbender> Sugar on RPi3 is more than adequate performance-wise [08:30:22] <Quozl> MrBIOS: selling preloaded microSD cards with Sugar would be a start, but nobody has offered to do so yet. [08:30:27] <MrBIOS> I’ll do it [08:30:28] <walterbender> we need someone(s) dedicated to each platfrom [08:30:30] <callaurrea> I also did not know Leah is the CEO [08:31:03] <walterbender> maybe time for a new org chart for Sugar Labs [08:31:04] <MrBIOS> I already buy SD cards in bulk for my side business. [08:31:33] <callaurrea> walterbender: have you been in touch with Paraguay? [08:31:39] -*- walterbender has thousands of USB drives we can hand out for free with Sugar on a Stick [08:31:45] <sammy> What about Rwanda [08:31:57] <callaurrea> Miguel Martin is the Secretary of Tech in Paraguay [08:31:58] <walterbender> callaurrea, not for a few months. [08:32:24] <callaurrea> And Cecilia is also an advisor to the president [08:32:36] <walterbender> :) [08:32:41] <callaurrea> I just saw news about a new Fab Lab [08:32:49] <ibiam> Yeah I did too [08:32:50] <callaurrea> we should connect with them [08:32:53] <walterbender> yes... I saw that [08:33:06] <callaurrea> I did meet with Miguel [08:33:09] <callaurrea> recently [08:33:19] <MrBIOS> to what extent are XO’s or Sugar actually in use in Paraguay these days? [08:33:22] -*- MrBIOS has no clue [08:33:23] <walterbender> I was hoping we'd get some GCI input from PY. That was when Pacita and I last spoke [08:33:37] --> amaan_iqbal9_ has joined #sugar-meeting [08:33:37] <walterbender> MrBIOS, they still use Sugar [08:33:43] <-- amaan_iqbal9 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [08:33:43] <callaurrea> let's coordinate a meeting with Pacita and Cecilia [08:33:47] <walterbender> ok [08:33:54] <callaurrea> I will reach out [08:33:59] <callaurrea> and cc you [08:34:28] <walterbender> anyway, I think organizing around platforms and places might work for us... [08:34:39] <MrBIOS> yes, and the barrier to entry for that is low [08:34:41] <walterbender> and have a regular report of each [08:34:54] <walterbender> focus [08:35:24] <amaan_iqbal9_> Any suggestions for the website? [08:35:35] <sammy> Revise content [08:35:40] <walterbender> Revert back to the one we had in 2008? [08:35:49] <MrBIOS> it requires too much scrolling, and there is no actual explanation of what Sugar is and why you would want to use it [08:36:00] <MrBIOS> no, but some of that content is frankly of better quality, copy-wise [08:36:18] <MrBIOS> so I’d say bring the copy back, at the very least, and having it be in a CMS is also highly advisable. [08:36:25] <Quozl> i suggest stopping all style and appearance changes until there is a/b testing of content happening. [08:36:36] <walterbender> Quozl, +1 [08:36:48] <MrBIOS> I would recommend Django, since it’s python based, or Wagtail, which is Django-based [08:36:52] <amaan_iqbal9_> Where can I find the 2008 website BTW? [08:36:53] <MrBIOS> and very widely used [08:36:55] <perrie> +1 Quozl [08:36:58] <MrBIOS> amaan_iqbal9_: archive.org [08:36:59] <Quozl> i suggest wordpress. even more widely used. [08:37:03] <amaan_iqbal9_> Quozl +1 [08:37:13] <MrBIOS> wordpress also has a much larger attack surface [08:37:18] <Quozl> yes. ;-) [08:37:28] <walterbender> how about github.io [08:37:29] <MrBIOS> it’s a bit of a security nightmare [08:37:39] <walterbender> that would force us to keep it simple [08:37:44] <amaan_iqbal9_> We should think of collaborators from that domain too [08:37:54] <sammy> GitHub.io uses the jekyll [08:37:57] <sammy> I think [08:37:57] <Quozl> still, choice of tool or cms is not relevant. we need content and testing. [08:38:05] <sammy> Which SL.org uses [08:38:17] <Quozl> the choice of tool or cms depends on who offers to maintain the content. [08:38:33] <sammy> yes, content is what is important [08:38:41] <Quozl> ultimately, the board is responsible for the content. [08:38:58] <Quozl> if the board can't get anyone to do it, the board must do it. [08:39:14] <amaan_iqbal9_> Hmm [08:39:32] -*- walterbender wrote all the original content... but lost interest in all the graphics fussing about. [08:39:33] <MrBIOS> amaan_iqbal9_: https://web.archive.org/web/20141221112218/http://sugarlabs.org/ [08:39:36] <ifeanyi_> I agree completely with @Quozl, it wouldn't matter what tool/platform is used if the content is engaging enough and the CTAs are pointing correctly for a better user experience/interaction [08:39:46] <MrBIOS> you can scrub back and forth through the history of sugarlabs.org at the top of that page [08:40:05] <MrBIOS> the engagement on our website is awful, people leave after a minute and a half [08:40:12] <MrBIOS> that should be a point of concern [08:40:26] <amaan_iqbal9_> +1 [08:40:30] <ifeanyi_> It's certainly a huge point of concern [08:40:38] <Quozl> they see a web site made by a bunch of students. ;-) [08:40:40] <walterbender> not if they leave to download SoaS :P [08:40:55] <Quozl> if the download links operated on page, they wouldn't leave as they downloaded. [08:40:58] <MrBIOS> walterbender: that download page is pretty awful too, on the wiki [08:41:16] <Quozl> yes, the wiki looks like it was cobbled together by wiki editors. [08:41:17] <ifeanyi_> We also need to keep track of where users are coming from and where they go to after interacting with the website [08:41:19] <walterbender> yes... that was tongue in cheek [08:41:23] <MrBIOS> correct, ifeanyi_ [08:41:25] <MrBIOS> Take a look at https://web.archive.org/web/20141223090335/http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=gallery&page=gallery [08:41:31] <MrBIOS> as far as I know, we have nothing like that on the replacement website [08:42:33] <amaan_iqbal9_> Thanks for the link, MrBIOS [08:42:34] <walterbender> the original website was not done by "a bunch of students" [08:42:35] <Quozl> i don't hear much of a consensus except "content". [08:42:56] <walterbender> Quozl, not sure what we as asked to agree on [08:43:01] <MrBIOS> I would personally argue that restoring old content that is still relevant, within the context of the new web site design, can and should be done [08:43:14] <MrBIOS> it’s the easiest move [08:43:51] <perrie> exactly a new website design [08:44:02] <MrBIOS> no, not a new design. [08:44:14] <Quozl> no, not a new design. [08:44:14] <amaan_iqbal9_> Yup, for now I agree with MrBIOS [08:44:28] <MrBIOS> I do think the navigation on the existing website kinda sucks, too, though, which contributes to the very short visit times [08:44:39] <MrBIOS> but that’s neither here not there, because the content is weak [08:44:43] <ifeanyi_> @walterbender: hinted about the graphics as well, that can immediately discourage interaction on a website (it all falls under content). [08:45:09] <Quozl> and we can't just guess what the right content is, it must be tested. [08:45:38] <walterbender> how do we set up an A-B test? [08:45:45] <MrBIOS> walterbender: CMS makes this trivial [08:45:46] <perrie> restucturing should come after the A-B [08:45:46] <walterbender> randomize where people land? [08:45:47] <Quozl> and with random strangers coming to our web site, the only option is a-b testing. [08:45:48] <perrie> yeah [08:45:54] <ifeanyi_> Testing is the first thing to do now before any other upgrade/update/changes [08:45:55] <MrBIOS> CMS with the right plug-ins [08:46:14] <callaurrea> it may be good to have something new... [08:46:14] <Quozl> there are tools to make that easier, but we have to want to do the testing. [08:46:15] <MrBIOS> ifeanyi_: well, it’s difficult to produce different content for different users with the existing static content [08:46:15] <callaurrea> but we would need to know the target audience, etc [08:46:46] <sammy> our Target audience from my research are Developers [08:46:46] <MrBIOS> we also need to pay attention to page load times, and not just from the continental US [08:46:51] <walterbender> I suspect (not an expert) that this is a well-understood process these days? [08:46:56] <sammy> Visiting the site [08:47:01] <sammy> India on top [08:47:01] <MrBIOS> how long pages take to load directly impacts visit duration. this is well documented. [08:47:01] <amaan_iqbal9_> We may think of developing the CMS in next year GSoC, but it will not be easy for someone now [08:47:08] <sammy> Nigeria second [08:47:21] <Quozl> i think we make our own target audience. we pivot toward the demand. we shouldn't pivot toward india and nigeria developers. [08:47:33] <MrBIOS> correct, we do. And we should. [08:47:56] <Quozl> one demand i've sensed is parents of children who want no advertising or tracking of their children. [08:48:05] <sammy> first the Sugar users are not meant to be on the website [08:48:12] <MrBIOS> which is probably a segment that’s only going to grow. [08:48:12] <sammy> In browse activity [08:48:19] <MrBIOS> sammy: we’re not talking about that, though. [08:48:47] <ifeanyi_> We need a typical persona to be able to get accurate stats of the target audience [08:48:50] <Quozl> i'd like to point the browse activity _away_ from the sugar labs landing page. [08:48:52] -*- walterbender needs to disappear in 10 minutes. Can we converge on a set of concrete actions? [08:48:56] <MrBIOS> on the original website, there was a section that said “more information for learners / parents / teachers / contributors” [08:48:59] <MrBIOS> with links to each page [08:49:06] <MrBIOS> we need to restore something like that [08:49:10] <amaan_iqbal9_> I guess chatbot will be best to know audience perspective [08:49:20] <sammy> That can work [08:49:24] <-- vipulgupta2048 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:49:33] <MrBIOS> amaan_iqbal9_: I have very little confidence that a meaningful quantity of people will actually interact with a chatbot [08:49:40] <MrBIOS> but I could certainly be wrong [08:49:49] <Quozl> it woudl need a-b testing. [08:49:54] <MrBIOS> correct [08:49:56] <perrie> me too [08:49:58] <Quozl> because i too think it would fail. [08:50:09] <MrBIOS> and just make the page load times worse [08:50:17] <walterbender> so maybe Step 1 is to figure out how to set up A/B testing [08:50:31] <amaan_iqbal9_> Yes [08:50:32] <ifeanyi_> +1 @walterbender [08:50:53] <MrBIOS> https://github.com/mixcloud/django-experiments [08:50:58] <walterbender> Anyone want to take that task on? [08:51:07] <perrie> yeah [08:51:12] <perrie> I would [08:51:42] <walterbender> Maybe put together a plan and run it past devel? [08:52:01] <amaan_iqbal9_> That will be better [08:52:18] --> iqra has joined #sugar-meeting [08:52:24] <amaan_iqbal9_> But mostly as far as I have seen, nobody responds [08:52:38] <Quozl> it's the way to kill an idea; post to sugar-devel@ [08:52:53] <Quozl> or pretty much any other forum we seem to inhabit. [08:52:54] <MrBIOS> correct. anybody can fork the existing git www-sugar repository [08:53:18] <MrBIOS> honesty, the percentage of people who actually care about the content on the website is probably 1% of the subscribership of sugar-devel, or IAEP for that matter [08:53:19] <Quozl> i don't think a plan is as good as a fork. [08:53:35] <walterbender> we need someone with tech chops to see this through [08:53:36] <MrBIOS> I didn’t mean to argue that it was :) [08:53:53] <walterbender> I am fine with a fork [08:54:01] <MrBIOS> I have personal experience running production websites with millions of visitors, however my problem is time. [08:54:28] <MrBIOS> if we can find someone with sufficient time, and a desire to learn and keep at it, I am happy to assist them [08:54:55] <walterbender> perrie -- maybe you could use MrBIOS as a sounding board? [08:54:56] <sammy> MrBIOS, i will [08:55:03] <sammy> Let work on it [08:55:15] <MrBIOS> agreed, let’s do it [08:55:20] <sammy> perrie? [08:55:21] <callaurrea> +1 [08:55:24] <perrie> yeah [08:55:33] <amaan_iqbal9_> +1 [08:55:49] <walterbender> #agreed perrie will set up an A/B testing mechanism with advice from MrBIOS [08:55:52] <MrBIOS> I propose a separate mailing list for discussion of this technical effort, and the content, since it’s not really “marketing” related. [08:55:53] <callaurrea> could I suggest, before we run out of time, that we talk about budget? [08:56:07] <MrBIOS> callaurrea: by all means :) [08:56:26] <walterbender> callaurrea, OK. I may have to mostly disappear, but go for it [08:56:29] <walterbender> #budget [08:56:38] <walterbender> #topic budget [08:56:43] <callaurrea> would it be possible to understand the funding we have available? [08:56:47] <Quozl> MrBIOS: i disagree with yet another mailing list; we need to remove them, not add them. xkcd, standards. [08:57:03] <callaurrea> plan some activities and establish process for requesting findung? [08:57:06] <callaurrea> funding. [08:57:17] <ifeanyi_> I can help @perrie and the team [08:57:19] <MrBIOS> we have decommissioned some, I believe. [08:57:24] <walterbender> callaurrea, that falls under Adam's domain, but he hasn't made an appearance in many many months [08:57:37] <MrBIOS> we don’t want people to unsubscribe from -devel or -marketing because they don’t care about what’s being discussed. [08:57:44] <Quozl> MrBIOS: i do. [08:57:47] <walterbender> callaurrea, as far as I know, we have > $50000 US in the bank [08:58:06] <walterbender> but no budget regarding what it is for [08:58:14] <MrBIOS> and the budgeteer is AWOL [08:58:19] <callaurrea> how can we move that out of his plate, if he is not coming to meetings? [08:58:29] <Quozl> decide as a board to replace him. [08:58:43] <walterbender> As of next week, we can have the new board appoint someone new [08:58:47] <ifeanyi_> Probably contact him and see why he's been away [08:58:50] <MrBIOS> assuming he doesn’t get replaced? [08:59:00] <MrBIOS> ifeanyi_: I have been in contact with him [08:59:14] <walterbender> He did not run for reelection as far as I recall. [08:59:30] <MrBIOS> he did not. [08:59:30] <callaurrea> should we wait until end of elections, but have a plan for future discussion and funding allocation [08:59:31] <ifeanyi_> Ok, then his replacement is due [08:59:39] <callaurrea> and fund raising tasks [08:59:39] <MrBIOS> He wrote this to me on Sunday: “Yes but am wicked sick here in Boston, Good luck in the ongoing election!” [08:59:50] <MrBIOS> if he wanted to be here, he would be here [09:00:03] <walterbender> we need to know who is on the board in order to make an appointment, unless you volunteer :) [09:00:30] <callaurrea> silence [09:00:37] <Quozl> next week, i'll decide. [09:00:37] <callaurrea> let's discuss you and I [09:00:44] <walterbender> ok [09:01:09] -*- walterbender needs to go to a meeting. [09:01:16] <Quozl> i suggest the board might set up a patreon account. ;-) [09:01:40] <callaurrea> Thanks, Walter [09:01:49] <Quozl> bye walterbender. [09:02:00] <sammy> bye [09:02:06] <amaan_iqbal9_> Bye [09:02:08] <sammy> walterbender [09:02:09] <perrie> bye [09:02:48] <amaan_iqbal9_> Okay guys, I am too leaving now. Its already 3.30 AM in India. [09:02:57] <Quozl> amaan_iqbal9_: bye. [09:03:18] <ibiam> Bye [09:03:20] <sammy> perrie when are we meeting tomorrow? [09:03:21] <-- amaan_iqbal9_ has quit (Quit: Page closed) [09:03:27] <ifeanyi_> Bye @walterbender and @amaan_iqbal9_ [09:03:36] <perrie> flight is by 1 [09:03:45] <walterbender> bye everyone... [09:03:47] <walterbender> thanks [09:03:52] <walterbender> #end-meeting [09:03:53] <perrie> should be in ph by 2:30 at most [09:04:00] <sammy> I mean with MrBIOS [09:04:03] <callaurrea> thanks everyone [09:04:12] <callaurrea> to be continued... the budget topic [09:04:22] <ifeanyi_> Thanks @callaurrea [09:04:50] <perrie> oh, anytime other than 12 - 14utc is okay by me [09:05:10] <sammy> Great [09:06:24] <sammy> Bye everyone [09:06:28] <sammy> Make sure you vote [09:06:41] <sammy> Remember your votes count😋 [09:06:46] <perrie> lol [09:06:48] <perrie> bye [09:07:09] <ifeanyi_> Is vote editing possible? @satellit [09:07:11] <callaurrea> bye [09:07:28] <ifeanyi_> @sammy: [09:07:37] <sammy> I am here [09:07:39] <ifeanyi_> Bye [09:07:56] <Quozl> MrBIOS: added self on jita, looking at meeting robot. [09:08:19] <-- iqra has quit (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com) [09:08:41] <-- ibiam has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) [09:08:50] <MrBIOS> Quozl: excellent [09:10:32] <-- callaurrea has quit (Quit: Page closed) [09:12:09] <-- sammy has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) [09:24:10] <-- meeting has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [09:24:42] --> meeting has joined #sugar-meeting [09:24:47] <Quozl> #startmeeting [09:24:48] <meeting> Meeting started Fri Dec 7 22:24:47 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. [09:24:49] <meeting> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting [09:24:51] <Quozl> testing [09:24:52] <Quozl> testing [09:24:53] <Quozl> testing [09:24:57] <Quozl> #agreed finish the meeting [09:25:03] <Quozl> #link http://example.org/ [09:25:08] <Quozl> #topic testing [09:25:11] <Quozl> #agreed finish [09:25:14] <Quozl> #endmeeting [09:25:16] <meeting> Meeting ended Fri Dec 7 22:25:14 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) [09:25:17] <meeting> Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2018-12-07T22:24:47.html [09:25:18] <meeting> Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2018-12-07T22:24:47 [09:26:03] <Quozl> MrBIOS: seems to be working now. actions taken; familiarise, invoke-rc.d supybot {stop,start} [09:26:21] <MrBIOS> great [09:26:35] <MrBIOS> it was just not running [09:26:41] <-- perrie has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [09:26:50] <MrBIOS> is the service configured to start by default? [09:26:55] <Quozl> looking at logs above, i think it was running, just that walterbender did not startmeeting. [09:27:42] <MrBIOS> ah [09:27:52] <Quozl> yes, i'm fairly sure it is configured to start by default. the process was present, as was the nick here. [09:28:12] <MrBIOS> also, for the record…correction, Kano, Nigeria is ~3.9 million, estimated, at present [09:28:52] <MrBIOS> we should probably capture the meeting logs somehow (put them in a github gist?) [09:29:08] <MrBIOS> I dont know how it was done before, when the meetbot was absent [09:29:10] <Quozl> i'll reply to walter's mail on sugar-devel@ with a copy and paste.