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== Mission ==

== Mission ==

{{:Education Team/Mission}}

{{:Education Team/Mission}}

* Mediate between these desiderata and what is possible on the available and imminent hardware platforms, given the current and projected state of connectivity, rural electricity, the other issues and obstacles of poverty, and the current state of [[What is Sugar?|Sugar]];

* Mediate between these desiderata and what is possible on the available and imminent hardware platforms, given the current and projected state of connectivity, rural electricity, the other issues and obstacles of poverty, and the current state of [[What is Sugar?|Sugar]];

* Share lots of examples of what works (and what doesn't)—along with a discussion of how and why.

* Share lots of examples of what works (and what doesn't)—along with a discussion of how and why.

== Goals ==

== Goals ==

* Survey teachers in existing deployments (We are putting together a survey. Please [[Education Team/Survey_questions|add your questions]]

* Survey teachers in existing deployments (We are putting together a survey. Please [[Education Team/Survey_questions|add your questions]]

* [http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep It's an Education Project] mailing list. See, for example this thread, [http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05330.html Physics education] that draws in several authentic observations and potential activities.

* [http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep It's an Education Project] mailing list. See, for example this thread, [http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05330.html Physics education] that draws in several authentic observations and potential activities.

==Meetings==

==Meetings==

''06 March 2009''

''06 March 2009''

* [http://meeting.laptop.org/sugar-meeting.log.20090306_1002.html Log of the 2009-03-06 meeting]

* [http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2009-03-06 Log of the 2009-03-06 meeting]

* [[Education Team/Meetings/2009-03-06|Summary of the 2009-03-06 meeting]]

* [[Education Team/Meetings/2009-03-06|Summary of the 2009-03-06 meeting]]

==Commentary==

==Commentary==

If I may add, as a teacher, the vast numbers of teachers, at least in the US and Russia, that I have encountered, are not sufficiently interested/ skilled/ convinced that the tools you are offering, no matter how 'free and great' they may be will be of any use unless it is super simple.  

If I may add, as a teacher, the vast numbers of teachers, at least in the US and Russia, that I have encountered, are not sufficiently interested/ skilled/ convinced that the tools you are offering, no matter how 'free and great' they may be will be of any use unless it is super simple.

IRC chat lines? For teachers? You've got to be kidding... How many teachers do I know that don't how to SMS or even know what SMS means? IRC? You are speaking to a teeny tiny tiny fraction of teachers via that channel... Teachers are like most people, overworked, underpaid, and very conscious of _not wanting to create more work for themselves_. The way Sugar is being communicated _sounds like Sugar is more work_... but then again, most teachers don't want to hear what you are saying anyway...

IRC chat lines? For teachers? You've got to be kidding... How many teachers do I know that don't how to SMS or even know what SMS means? IRC? You are speaking to a teeny tiny tiny fraction of teachers via that channel... Teachers are like most people, overworked, underpaid, and very conscious of _not wanting to create more work for themselves_. The way Sugar is being communicated _sounds like Sugar is more work_... but then again, most teachers don't want to hear what you are saying anyway...

Most teachers are just concerned with getting through the, very difficult, day. To get this project onto the minds of teachers then it must come from parents and students and admins telling teachers that this is what must happen. Teachers, for the most part, are unionized. They DON'T have to do anything once attaining tenure. Unions will protect the most incompetent do nothing teachers right up to sexual or physical abuse of a child. Constructivist Cognitive development is far down the list of a third year teacher. They may have come thinking they'll do the right thing... after the third year, it's all about survival for the school year...

Most teachers are just concerned with getting through the, very difficult, day. To get this project onto the minds of teachers then it must come from parents and students and admins telling teachers that this is what must happen. Teachers, for the most part, are unionized. They DON'T have to do anything once attaining tenure. Unions will protect the most incompetent do nothing teachers right up to sexual or physical abuse of a child. Constructivist Cognitive development is far down the list of concerns for a third year teacher. They probably have tenure by then. They may have come into teaching, full of energy and ready to make changes, thinking they'll do the right thing... after the third year, it's all about survival for the school year ahead...

I've personally offered to many teachers to set up LTSP networks for them and NOT ONE ever accepted the offer though the evidence of superior performance, better cognition and behavior, and superior skill set of the LTSP students versus all the other students was clearly evident. Most teachers _have no reason to change_, no matter how good something may be... if it is not perfectly prepackaged and EASY enough to give to a kid to do if they've finished their homework early...  

I've personally offered to many teachers to set up [http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome LTSP networks] for them and NOT ONE ever accepted the offer though the evidence of students' superior performance, better cognition and behavior, and superior skill set of the LTSP students versus all the other students was clearly evident. Most teachers _have no reason to change_, no matter how good something may be... if it is not perfectly prepackaged and EASY enough to give to a kid to do if they've finished their homework early...  

  student: "Ms. Johnson, I've finished my homework..."

  student: "Ms. Johnson, I've finished my homework..."

  Ms Johsnon: "OK, Johnny, see those laptops over there? Set them up with Sugar for tomorrow's class".

  Ms Johsnon: "OK, Johnny, see those laptops over there? Set them up with Sugar for tomorrow's class".

If Sugar is NOT that easy, then you'll only ever get a few hardcore teachers to use Sugar or any other computer platform. Essentially, if a teacher knows how to use a computer, they won't be working as teachers for very long...

If Sugar is NOT that easy, then you'll only ever get a few hardcore "fighting for the good cause" teachers to use Sugar or any other computer platform. Essentially, though, if a teacher knows how to use a computer, they won't be working as teachers for very long...

 

To get Sugar in a class in the United States, at least, is going to come from private schools, and parents who are savvy enough to understand the arcane language of most of this site...The opening line on this [http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/Installing page] would leave most teachers scratching their heads. The writer's of that document expected what, someone who knows what 'OLPC-XO laptop' or 'Gnu/Linux' or any of that means? They want step 1, 2, 3 done. Don't scare them off with a lot of technical background and geekified mumbo-jumbo! And all that talk about downloading and burning .ISOs and formatting USBs... please. Your target audience (the teachers) is terrified of computers and technology.

To get Sugar in a class in the US, at least, is going to come from private schools, and parents who are savvy enough to understand the arcane language of most of this site...The opening line on this [http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/Installing page] would leave most teachers scratching their heads. The writer's of that document expected what, someone who knows what 'OLPC-XO laptop' or 'Gnu/Linux' or any of that means? They want step 1, 2, 3 done. Don't scare them off with a lot of technical background and geekified mumbo-jumbo!

If this project wants deeper acceptance in the community then show that it is CHILD'S PLAY to get it working. One click install and walkaway. If you have to stay with SOAS, then get a video of a kid performing the process of setting  up Sugar on a Stick. But even that will get adults to say something like... "Oh, those kids today, I could never do that!" I've heard that, from teachers!

If this project wants deeper acceptance in the community then show that it is CHILD'S PLAY to get it working. Show a kid setting Sugar on a Stick. But even that will get adults to say something like... "Oh, those kids today, I could never do that!" I've heard that, from teachers!

I try to document your claims with an essay on K-6 computing created early 2009 [http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gahchs/schools/SandersMA/K-6computing.htm here].

I also try to stoke envy among parents, making generous use of Youtube video. - [[User:Docdtv|Docdtv]]

Most importantly, to get Sugar traction in schools, make it easy for kids to publish their genius works via video and etc. Get screencasting as part of nearly every activity. Hook on to youtube's [http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/overview.html API] or [http://www.vimeo.com/api vimeo's API] or something like that so that kids will show other kids how __cool__ they are... Adults want Sugar because it should make their kids smarter better problem solvers, more likely to survive the hard world, etc. The real trick is to _make kid's want Sugar_. It can be done a lot of ways but the biggest reason for kids is because it can help them generate/build/maintain/ grow/improve their 'cool' factor among their friends at their schools. How? By posting their latest SUGAR success on a publicly available media channel i.e. youtube, vimeo, etc. for all their very hip and connected friends to see online.  

Most importantly, to get Sugar traction in schools, make it easy for kids to publish their genius works via video and etc. Get screencasting as part of nearly every activity. Hook on to youtube's [http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/overview.html API] or [http://www.vimeo.com/api vimeo's API] or something like that so that kids will show other kids how __cool__ they are... Adults want Sugar because it should make their kids smarter better problem solvers, more likely to survive the hard world, etc. The real trick is to _make kid's want Sugar_. It can be done a lot of ways but the biggest reason for kids is because it can help them generate/build/maintain/ grow/improve their 'cool' factor among their friends at their schools. How? By posting their latest SUGAR success on a publicly available media channel i.e. youtube, vimeo, etc. for all their very hip and connected friends to see online.  

Look at the Youtube videos produced by kids doing their work. It's clearly evident that they are doing the 'hard stuff' of thinking and problem solving because at the end, at least for some/most, their friends will say, "Cool!".  

Look at the Youtube videos produced by kids doing their work. It's clearly evident that they are doing the 'hard stuff' of thinking and problem solving because at the end, at least for some/most, their friends will say, "Cool!".

 

Let's make it easy for kids to get that cool factor using Sugar... then Sugar will get traction among the very complacent teachers...  

Let's make it easy for kids to get that cool factor using Sugar... then Sugar will get traction among the very complacent teachers...  

Go run a working school computer lab one for awhile, talk to a public school administrator... you'll know/hear what I'm talking about. Noone willingly creates more work for themselves unless they see it saves gobs of energy or time elsewhere or blows test scores out of the water... SoaS doesn't offer any of that yet, IMHO.

Go run a working school computer lab one for awhile, talk to a public school administrator... you'll know/hear what I'm talking about. Noone willingly creates more work for themselves unless they see it saves gobs of energy or time elsewhere or blows test scores out of the water... SoaS doesn't offer any of that yet, IMHO.

Make Sugar homework safe, easy to use, and keep it simple for Aunt Tilly to understand and install.

Make Sugar homework safe, easy to use, and keep it simple for Aunt Tilly to understand and install.

===idealized===

===idealized===

The ideal school computer set up is easy to install,<b>minimizes</b> variables, and maximizes ease of use and power.  

The ideal school computer set up is easy to install,<b>minimizes</b> variables, and maximizes ease of use and power.  

* [http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/ Learning evolves – Bill Kerr]

* [http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/ Learning evolves – Bill Kerr]

* [[Education Team/Creating textbooks|Creating textbooks]]

* [[Education Team/Creating textbooks|Creating textbooks]]

== Subpages ==

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