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==Sugar Labs meeting, Monday, 30 June 2008==

==Sugar Labs meeting, Monday, 30 June 2008==

Attending in person: Marco Pesenti Gritti, Paul Noja, Tomeu Vizoso, Walter Bender, Carlo Falciola, Franco Lodato, Luca Ferrari, Karen Sandler

Attending in person: Marco Pesenti Gritti, Paul Noja, Tomeu Vizoso, Walter Bender, Carlo Falciola, Franco Lodato, Luca Ferrari, Karen Sandler

Participating by [[Sugar_Labs/Meeting_Minutes-30-06-2008/irc-log|IRC (See log)]]: bernie, mostro, mk8, BryanWB, arjs, shenki, jg, cjb, reed, dwmw2, mtd, walter, marcopg

Participating by [[Oversight Board/Log-2008-06-30|IRC (See log)]]: bernie, mostro, mk8, BryanWB, arjs, shenki, jg, cjb, reed, dwmw2, mtd, walter, marcopg

 

 

===Governance and the Software Freedom Conservancy===

===Governance and the Software Freedom Conservancy===

Karen led a discussion about the implications of Sugar Labs joining the Conservancy. The SFC is a home for FOSS projects as an umbrella organization: FOSS projects become part of the Conservancy; they get tax-free status in the US; and the projects set up a day-to-day governance structure that is generally autonomous.  

Karen led a discussion about the implications of Sugar Labs joining the Conservancy. The SFC is a home for FOSS projects as an umbrella organization: FOSS projects become part of the Conservancy; they get tax-free status in the US; and the projects set up a day-to-day governance structure that is generally autonomous.  

Shenki asked a question regarding any downsides. While there is always a unilateral mechanism to spin out from the Conservancy, by joining, (1) we would be making a committed to remain a non-profit organization in regard to any project asset (funds that we might raise, any copyrights or trademarks we might own); (2) no projects have ever spun out on their own, so there may be some unknown obstacles; and (3) there would be some administrative oversight (but we need it from somewhere).  

Shenki asked a question regarding any downsides. While there is always a unilateral mechanism to spin out from the Conservancy, by joining,  

 

# We would be making a commitment to remain a non-profit organization in regard to any project assets (funds that we might raise, any copyrights or trademarks we might own);  

# No projects have ever spun out on their own, so there may be some unknown obstacles; and  

# There would be some administrative oversight (but we need it from somewhere).  

The Conservancy has some concern that Sugar Labs might get so big as to incur too big of a burden for the Conservancy to pick up all administrative expenses without some mutually agreed mechanism of help from Sugar Labs.  

The Conservancy has some concern that Sugar Labs might get so big as to incur too big of a burden for the Conservancy to pick up all administrative expenses without some mutually agreed mechanism of help from Sugar Labs.  

A question was raised in regard to working outside of the United States (the Conservancy is a US-based 501(c)(3)); while it hasn't been a problem, if necessary, projects within the Conservancy can work with organizations elsewhere—e.g., the Conservancy could help with administration of non-US programs without having to be involved in the funding—money can be raised and stay local, under local laws.

A question was raised in regard to working outside of the United States (the Conservancy is a US-based 501(c)(3)); while it hasn't been a problem, if necessary, projects within the Conservancy can work with organizations elsewhere—e.g., the Conservancy could help with administration of non-US programs without having to be involved in the funding—money can be raised and stay local, under local laws.

Karen made some in-line edits (mostly in the form of questions) to the Governance page in the wiki. We need to achieve a bit more clarity about a few topics, such as initial membership, terms of office, voting mechanics, etc. as part of the process of joining the Conservancy.

Karen made some in-line edits (mostly in the form of questions) to the Governance page in the wiki. We need to achieve a bit more clarity about a few topics, such as [[Sugar Labs/Members/List|Initial Membership]], terms of office, voting mechanics, etc. as part of the process of joining the Conservancy.

===What are we (Sugar Labs) trying to accomplish?===

===What are we (Sugar Labs) trying to accomplish?===

===Sugar Labs look and feel: a graphic design review===

===Sugar Labs look and feel: a graphic design review===

Luca Ferrari and Franco Lodato presented some designs for a “corporate identity” for Sugar Labs. The designs will be posted in the wiki for feedback. (Karen pointed out the importance of trademarks with in the context of FOSS projects.)

Luca Ferrari and Franco Lodato presented some designs for a “corporate identity” for Sugar Labs. The designs are [[Design Team/Logo Ideas#Designs_by_Luca_Ferrari_and_Franco_Lodato|posted in the wiki]] for feedback. (Karen pointed out the importance of trademarks with in the context of FOSS projects.)

===Sugar on mobile phones: is it possible? does it make sense?===

===Sugar on mobile phones: is it possible? does it make sense?===

Still, it was argued that a cellphone screen is a bad environment for learning and that it would not be a substitute for a laptop. Chris Ball asked, “What are the minimum requirements for expressiveness and learning when we work on a port of Sugar?”

Still, it was argued that a cellphone screen is a bad environment for learning and that it would not be a substitute for a laptop. Chris Ball asked, “What are the minimum requirements for expressiveness and learning when we work on a port of Sugar?”

We had some discussions about what would be involved in such a port and whom might be interested in doing it. (The Nokia 8000 was suggested as a possible point of departure.)

We had some discussions about what would be involved in such a port and whom might be interested in doing it. (The Nokia N800 was suggested as a possible point of departure.)

===Sugar Labs: models of support===

===Sugar Labs: models of support===

We do need to discuss what venues would be useful in light of reaching both the developer and user (primarily learning) communities.

We do need to discuss what venues would be useful in light of reaching both the developer and user (primarily learning) communities.