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* echoduck has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2) * aaguirre_ (be403172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.64.49.114) has joined <walterbender> any SLOB members here? <walterbender> samsongoddy, ? <walterbender> elverma, ? <samsongoddy> Hello <walterbender> hi <walterbender> no quorum <walterbender> and no one except you and I responded to the email motion. <samsongoddy> Yeah <walterbender> I think it is time to gear up for an election to vote in a new board that actually is interested in participating. <samsongoddy> +1 <samsongoddy> I agree <walterbender> I'll send an email reminding SLOB members to please vote. <aaguirre_> hi <walterbender> And another to the community looking for candidates <samsongoddy> Agreed too <walterbender> How was your US trip? Looked great in the photos <walterbender> ^^ aaguirre_ <walterbender> samsongoddy, I think I will look up the stats on meeting attendance over the past few years by some of our long-time board members... it won't be pretty :P <samsongoddy> There is alot the Board need to do <walterbender> yes... but apparently 1 hour a month -- scheduled well in advance -- is too much of a commitment for our peers :( <samsongoddy> Yeah <samsongoddy> Maybe it is time we ask for commitment <aaguirre_> it was great! :-) <walterbender> I wouldn't care except the SFC won't let us do anything without the board vote. <walterbender> samsongoddy, the commitment is implicit. everyone knows the rules <samsongoddy> You are right <walterbender> samsongoddy, anything else for today? <walterbender> aaguirre_, check out the latest Music Blocks... lots-of-fun <samsongoddy> Nothing really. I wanted to discuss about sugar labs vision <samsongoddy> And goals <samsongoddy> But i guess <jaskirat> hi <samsongoddy> We long propose goals <samsongoddy> But currently we are working on just 30% <samsongoddy> Of what was written down <samsongoddy> I think those goals needs to be agreed on <walterbender> samsongoddy, you and jaskirat should come up with a new marketing team agenda... <samsongoddy> I am working on that <samsongoddy> I am looking at Sean's previous plan <samsongoddy> Soas <jaskirat> <walterbender> thanks i am on it making some plans * ibiam (~myirc@197.210.55.2) has joined <walterbender> Let's cast a wide net first... and then narrow the scope. <ibiam> Hi <samsongoddy> Agreed <samsongoddy> Ssoc <samsongoddy> ? <samsongoddy> Is that gonna be a thing as we discussed? <walterbender> What is Ssoc? <samsongoddy> Sugar Labs Summer of Code <samsongoddy> The one you mentioned <samsongoddy> Some meetings back <walterbender> OK. I didn't recognize the acronym <samsongoddy> I also plan to bring bac Sugar Labs ambassadors <samsongoddy> *back <samsongoddy> A group of advocates <walterbender> Given that we have 12 interns from Google last year--about as many as we could find mentors for, adding another program is a bit sketchy <walterbender> Ambassadors could be a good idea... but we need to spell out what it really means. <ifeanyi_> Hi all, a bit late. * sum2it has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) <walterbender> I'll post the log in the wiki. <walterbender> Meanwhile, anyone with GCI ideas, please share them on Sugar Devel <walterbender> or directly with Ibiam and me. <samsongoddy> It has a document on the wiki <jaskirat> okay sure <samsongoddy> I will with you later <ifeanyi_> Okay @walterbender <walterbender> anything else for today? * Ibiam_ (c5d236f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.197.210.54.246) has joined <jaskirat> <walterbender> is motion up ? <jaskirat> i guess time is sensitive <samsongoddy> Not from me * ibiam has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) * ibiam (~myirc@197.210.54.97) has joined <walterbender> jaskirat, no one showed to vote except the two of us who already voted. <walterbender> I will send another email. <ibiam> I'm a little lost <ibiam> Network issues <ibiam> What are we voting on <jaskirat> okay thanks a lot , i guess if approved then sfc should not take another couple of days to make it move <ifeanyi_> Are the emails tracked? Like number of opens, so we know the stats, if they are ignoring it or yet to access the mail * Ibiam_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) * GrannieB_ (acfb389c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.251.56.156) has joined <GrannieB_> Well... that is definitely a barrier to participation by people not familiar with irc. The most obtuse instructions I have ever seen * jaskirat has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) <GrannieB_> OK so is this the meeting or not??? <ifeanyi_> Yes it is the meeting @GrannieB_ <ibiam> GrannieB_: it's to avoid the spam attacks <ibiam> Only registered users can access the channel <ifeanyi_> I started very early trying to bypass those barriers. It was quite difficult <GrannieB_> Yes, but it is definitely a barrier. The instructions are scattered and not at all clear <GrannieB_> I tried yesterday and then spent a lot of time today <ifeanyi_> Maybe a documentation can help. Where and what to click to overcome the spam blocks <ibiam> GrannieB_: the instructions are clear <ibiam> It's just your chat client that requires you joining each time you want to use it <ifeanyi_> You're very correct @ibiam . It's the chat client that is causing the glitches (at least from my end) <walterbender> GrannieB_, maybe you can share your process -- obviously successful -- so others can learn from you? <GrannieB_> I think I accidentally did it! <GrannieB_> I actually registered twice... same name and pw, 2 confirmation emails * sidhantb has quit (Quit: Page closed) <walterbender> GrannieB_, let's be systematic about this. first the basics: what computer/OS are you using? <walterbender> then, what tool did you use? browser? irc client? <GrannieB_> Chrome freenode <GrannieB_> but the order you do things in matters... a lot * Mayank8055_ has quit (Quit: Page closed) <GrannieB_> The first confirmation message I got would not work. It said the nick was already in use <GrannieB_> The second one (same nick... different code from them) worked <walterbender> GrannieB_, https://webchat.freenode.net/ ??? <GrannieB_> yes <ibiam> GrannieB_: after you got the first message did you try to identify your nick <walterbender> So it was just a matter of trying repeatedly? * Hrishi_ has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) <GrannieB_> no. It was more than that. I could write some easier instructions if I can figure out how I did it. The main problem is where it tells you to "log in" and they aren't talking about a password or anything like that that I can see <GrannieB_> When I was trying to log in with my nick it kept telling me that it was not available, that it was taken. After the second time registering it, things worked <GrannieB_> The registration instructions are ok <GrannieB_> it is what to do after that is messed up <elverma> Hello <elverma> Sorry, I got called awy <elverma> I had a bunch of trouble logging in as well <ibiam> GrannieB_: whatever you do after is because of your client <walterbender> elverma, while we have your attention, please vote on the email motion re Jaskirat <elverma> Will do <ibiam> It always requires that you login each time you open it * fnerk (497e4bb7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.126.75.183) has joined <GrannieB_> OK what does it mean to "log in?" <walterbender> I just followed the instructions at https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration and it worked first time... <GrannieB_> Exactly how does one do that? >NickServ< identify **** -NickServ- You are already logged in as walterbender. <walterbender> type /msg NickServ identify YOURPASSWORD * fnerk has quit (Quit: Page closed) <GrannieB_> When I finally got in, I went through the "not a robot" drill... I had put in my user name and that was all. Then when I got an irc screen, I pasted the message verifying my registration into the bar at the bottom, That got me in. then I changed channels to #sugar - meeting <elverma> walterbender, I don't see the motion. Is it on SLOB? <GrannieB_> Oh, and it told me my registration was complete after I pasted in the verification <walterbender> elverma, I emailed it Wednesday and again about 10 minutes ago. <walterbender> GrannieB_, Please see if https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2018/background#Getting_set_up_on_IRC matches your experience. * walterbender needs to disappear in a few minutes. * ibiam has to go <elverma> walterbender Interesting. I see it on lists.sl.o but not in my email...something is broken. <elverma> Can you record +1 from me for the motion? <walterbender> will do... <walterbender> maybe check your entry on the listserv <elverma> walterbender: will do. Entire threads for Oct are missing in my email. Not in spam either. * ibiam has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) * samsongoddy has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) <walterbender> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010/Meeting-log-2018-10-05 <walterbender> log for both the GCI meeting and the SLOB meeting * Disconnected () * walterbender sets mode +R on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +Z on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +i on walterbender -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. -freenode-connect- Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect No channel joined. Try /join #<channel> * Now talking on #sugar-meeting * Topic for #sugar-meeting is: The meeting channel for the Sugar learning platform | Meeting logs at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings | See also #sugar | THIS CHANNEL IS ALWAYS LOGGED * Topic for #sugar-meeting set by bernie (Thu May 10 14:59:23 2012) * aaguirre_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) * Disconnected () * walterbender sets mode +R on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +Z on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +i on walterbender -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. -freenode-connect- Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect * Disconnected () * walterbender sets mode +R on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +Z on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +i on walterbender -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. -freenode-connect- Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect * Disconnected () * walterbender sets mode +R on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +Z on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +i on walterbender -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. -freenode-connect- Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect * Disconnected () * walterbender sets mode +R on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +Z on walterbender * walterbender sets mode +i on walterbender -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. -freenode-connect- Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect * Disconnected () * Disconnected () * Disconnected () * Disconnected () * Disconnected () * Disconnected () * Disconnected () * Disconnected () * Loaded log from Sun Oct 7 12:24:04 2018 * Now talking on #sugar-meeting * Topic for #sugar-meeting is: The meeting channel for the Sugar learning platform | Meeting logs at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings | See also #sugar | THIS CHANNEL IS ALWAYS LOGGED * Topic for #sugar-meeting set by bernie (Thu May 10 14:59:23 2012) * samsongoddy (~androirc@169.159.113.215) has joined * llaske (~llaske@2a01cb00074daf0029739da74673fd33.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined * ibiam (~myirc@197.210.227.220) has joined * perrie (~perrie@197.210.60.78) has joined <walterbender> hi everyone <perrie> hello <walterbender> Claudia will be joining in a minute <walterbender> I see llaske and samsongoddy <llaske> Yes. Hi all <walterbender> any other SLOB members here? <samsongoddy> Yes <samsongoddy> Claudia is having issues <samsongoddy> With password <samsongoddy> I am trying to help her out <ibiam> Hi everyone <walterbender> Let's wait another few minutes for Adam, Sameer, and Ignacio too <samsongoddy> Okay sure * iqra_ (~iqra@39.40.184.72) has joined <walterbender> We can get started while we wait for Claudia. <walterbender> #topic GCI <walterbender> a few stats: 371 students are participating so far <walterbender> 258 tasks completed <walterbender> Claudia is here via screen share <walterbender> a lot of the tasks are beginner tasks -- make a pull request <samsongoddy> Oh nice <walterbender> or write a music blocks project <walterbender> or design a promotional flyer <walterbender> but some serious programming <walterbender> a good start <walterbender> and for the most part the mentors have been great <walterbender> very responsive <walterbender> and constructive feedback <samsongoddy> Yes, very helpful <walterbender> any comments from the mentors ? <samsongoddy> None from me <llaske> I think it's a good start too <walterbender> perrie, ? <perrie> yeah <perrie> the mentors have been doing well too <walterbender> Anything else re GCI? <walterbender> We should talk about the election <walterbender> #topic SLOB election 2018 <walterbender> samsongoddy, can you lead us through this discussion? <samsongoddy> Yeah <samsongoddy> So i have set up a calendar <samsongoddy> For the election <samsongoddy> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates <samsongoddy> Announcement of election date and first call for candidates. <samsongoddy> Start from 7th of August <walterbender> August? <samsongoddy> November <samsongoddy> Sorry <samsongoddy> 5 days from today <walterbender> +1 <samsongoddy> Seat up for election are <samsongoddy> Walter <walterbender> who else is on the committee? <samsongoddy> Sameer <samsongoddy> Lionel <samsongoddy> And Adam <samsongoddy> By November 19th <samsongoddy> We will make another call for candidate <samsongoddy> *candidates <samsongoddy> So wiki entry start from 7th of November <walterbender> Can I make one request: that we implore people to run if and only if they are going to participate. <samsongoddy> Yes <samsongoddy> I agree <samsongoddy> Too <samsongoddy> Candidates must ensure commitments <walterbender> We have a few SLOB members who never come to meetings and never respond to emails which makes it very difficult to get a quorum or vote on any motions <samsongoddy> +1 <walterbender> and since the SFC won't let us do anything with out SLOB approval, we are often paralyzed <samsongoddy> Agreed <samsongoddy> So that is why from 1st to 15th of December <walterbender> One hour meeting per month is not such a heavy burden <samsongoddy> That will be the period for the election <llaske> How many people vote ? <walterbender> ANyway, thanks for doing this. <samsongoddy> Well for now <samsongoddy> I don't know the numbers <walterbender> Usually we get about 100 votes <walterbender> to the best of my recollection <samsongoddy> But i will send a mail reminding members <llaske> My question was: how to determine who is a member ? <walterbender> We have guidelines in the Wiki * satellit who can vote? <ibiam> llaske, we have a members list <samsongoddy> Member can vote only <walterbender> a track-record of partiicipation <walterbender> and they must opt in to membership <samsongoddy> There is a wiki explaining guidelines to become member <walterbender> but participation can be in many forms <samsongoddy> ibiam correct me if i am wrong, we have more than 100 members on the our records, right? * callaurrea (4904ef7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.4.239.122) has joined <callaurrea> yay <samsongoddy> Welcome * Pro-Panda has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) <walterbender> a few years back we had a membership committee more interested in removing members than adding them <walterbender> but IMHO we should be as welcome as we can <samsongoddy> So the membership committee will keep the community updated <walterbender> we need the community to participate <samsongoddy> As usual <callaurrea> yes, we do <walterbender> reminds me of the governor's race in the state of Georgia in the US <llaske> Yes but as we've seen with GCI mentors, we should ensure real participation of people <callaurrea> and I apologize for not being as present as I should have been in the last few months <ibiam> Yes, we have over 150 <walterbender> one of the candidates is trying to win by preventing as many people as possible from voting. <samsongoddy> I am also accepting any member interested in helping out on the election <samsongoddy> Thanks, ibiam <samsongoddy> So we have some numbers <samsongoddy> I will make a public call <samsongoddy> So I advice pontential candidates to start creating a wiki entry <walterbender> llaske, I don't think we have any members who have not contributed. But we have many contributors who are not members. <samsongoddy> Very important <callaurrea> ok <samsongoddy> +1 walterbender <perrie> I'd love to help out <walterbender> +1 <samsongoddy> Great <callaurrea> walterbender: if we have you present at one of the lunches, we can recruit some people <walterbender> perrie, maybe a promotional flyer to recruit membership :) <walterbender> callaurrea, ok <perrie> sure I can do that <samsongoddy> +1 perrie <samsongoddy> We can do some SM work <samsongoddy> Too <walterbender> get the word out on Social Media <perrie> +1 <walterbender> which brings me to my last topic: Marketing <samsongoddy> Starting from tomorrow, i will be having meeting with Perrie <walterbender> any other issues about the election topic? <samsongoddy> None from me <callaurrea> What does it take to be a member? * walterbender looks for the wiki page <walterbender> one sec <walterbender> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members <samsongoddy> It is pretty straight forward <Quozl_> hi ho. <walterbender> hi Quozl_ <samsongoddy> hi Quozl_ <perrie> hello Quozl_ <walterbender> so... <walterbender> #topic marketing <callaurrea> Thanks, walterbender <walterbender> There was a marketing meeting recently <walterbender> I was unable to attend, but the log was posted to the lists. <walterbender> Thanks to Samson et al for trying to breath some life into marketing <walterbender> However... <walterbender> It seems to me that we have 3 major initiatives underway, each of which is pretty cool and could be the subject of a systemic marketing plan <walterbender> and I saw no plan emerge from the meeting. <walterbender> (1) We have been supporting OLPC's efforts for 10+ years. <walterbender> It would be great to do something joint with OLPC to sing the praises of that mutual effort <ibiam> +1 <perrie> +1 <samsongoddy> Agreed <walterbender> (2) Sugarizer is quite mature and we should be supporting Lionel in marketing it <Quozl_> I'll talk to the CTO. Oh, wait. That's me. Noted. <callaurrea> +1 but, who is in touch with them? <llaske> (1) is funny, we're are celebrating 10 years in OLPC France too :-) <walterbender> (3) We have great traction in Japan with Music Blocks -- they plan to put it in all the elementary schools <callaurrea> omg... that is great, walterbender <ibiam> Awesome <callaurrea> data collection??? <samsongoddy> Great news <walterbender> We could make a big splash there <perrie> awesome! <llaske> Nice <callaurrea> on point 1) are you in touch with OLPC? <walterbender> so in addition to discussing swag, we should make a real plan in each of these three areas. <walterbender> I am in touch with their CTO :) <samsongoddy> I will work on it <walterbender> But I can try to reach out to the Zamoras. <walterbender> I also know Lionel :) <walterbender> We can reach out to him. <llaske> :-D <walterbender> and I know Walter, so we can talk to him <samsongoddy> What about trying to look into Rwanda? <callaurrea> I meant the Zamoras <llaske> In France we're planning to deploy Sugarizer in 3 schools at the begining of the year <walterbender> +1 <callaurrea> Costa Rica? <ibiam> Great! <callaurrea> Paraguay? <walterbender> Let's make a plan to make noise about that <Quozl_> I know Jimmy in Rwanda. <walterbender> Paraguay keeps doing interesting things <samsongoddy> llaske, i am your guy on noise making <samsongoddy> So I will help too <walterbender> The Rwanda deployment must be 10 years old by now <llaske> We've got now a Sugarizer Twitter and Facebook account <samsongoddy> Great, saw them <perrie> would love to help out too <walterbender> I don't want to make the plan now... just it seems we have great stuff to talk about and we should make a plan that is about that stuff <walterbender> hint hint Marketing team <samsongoddy> So I am going to pick out all points listed here and work on something <samsongoddy> With the team <llaske> Great <ibiam> Re social media, our two <walterbender> Let's plan to have a real plan to present at the next meeting. <samsongoddy> +1 on that <perrie> +1 <walterbender> and hopefully I will get email again from the lists... so I will know to attend. <ibiam> Twitter page hasn't been posting things re gci, like weekly stats <callaurrea> +1 <walterbender> that is my list <walterbender> other topics? <callaurrea> I am around.. and hopefully we can meet next week, walterbender <walterbender> would be very nice <samsongoddy> ibiam, I will address that issue <ibiam> Great <walterbender> perrie, we should start posting the flyers form GCI <walterbender> some of them are really great <llaske> could you share link on it? <walterbender> perrie, are they in the wiki? <perrie> yeah sure, we have some ready.. we have style guidelines too for posting on our social media * satellit remeber this also http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Community_Edition <satellit> #schoolserver <samsongoddy> Yes, I am looking on those guide also <perrie> I will upload all tonight and share the link <walterbender> thx <walterbender> satellit, please proceed <satellit> this is a nice project to mention also <llaske> +1 and it miss a landing page to explain the project <walterbender> Would be great to learn more about it... we never hear anything <satellit> look at thw olpc link <satellit> the* <llaske> Yes but most communication on the project is on Git or on the mailing list <llaske> It deserve more marketing <walterbender> (4) school server <Quozl_> Don't think XSCE or IIAB as it has become is interested in Sugar compatibility; from what I last heard, they had pulled those components. <satellit> I agree but I only test here contact adam for more inf <walterbender> who is adam :P <llaske> BTW Sugarizer is include in IIAB :-) <Quozl_> Adam Holt is the public relations contact for the project. <walterbender> I guess someone should tell him about Sugar :P <Quozl_> If they have Sugarizer, that's enough to get Sugar Labs engaged. * satellit http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Community_Edition#Our_Community <walterbender> teasing aside, it would be nice if we were engaged more regularly <llaske> MusicBlock is not directly related to Sugar but it could be supported by SugarLabs <callaurrea> could we do a info session about all of these wonderful things... it would be a great way to get people exited and recruit new members <satellit> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nf_6raUpsrTV-peSbV_FeM_zIOMqLZzUrvvEMrp3c2g/edit <walterbender> Music Blocks runs in Sugar but not on the F18 version <walterbender> Not sure I can fix that * walterbender should update the bundle with the latest bits <llaske> walterbender do you have a look on Electron technology ? <Quozl_> You're each responsible for staying informed. <walterbender> yes... someone on the Japan team is working on that <llaske> It's a good way to distribute apps in multiple environment with an embedded Chromium browser <llaske> so it's easier to maintain. Next version of Sugarizer will rely on it for Linux/Windows/MacOS <walterbender> https://github.com/ukkari/musicblocks-electron <Quozl_> Good. Endless OS has been very happy with Electron. <llaske> Great <llaske> Lot of tools (Slack, Discord, Atom, ...) use it <walterbender> Where I am still struggling is with Edge :P <llaske> :-D <samsongoddy> Edge😂😂 <walterbender> anything else for today? <samsongoddy> Isn't edge responsible for downloading chrome <perrie> lol <callaurrea> happy to have been here <samsongoddy> Yeah, you made it <samsongoddy> Did you fix the password ? <walterbender> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/27/stop-using-microsoft-edge-to-download-chrome-unless-you-want-malware/#3d8910f613ea <callaurrea> definitely lots to share with the world... happy to think about sharing <callaurrea> yes, Samson <callaurrea> thanks for the help... I think I am all set for the next one <samsongoddy> Awesome <walterbender> I need to attend to my grandkids. <walterbender> Thanks everyone <callaurrea> have a good weekend <samsongoddy> Great meeting <llaske> Thanks. Bye. <callaurrea> call you monday <callaurrea> bye <walterbender> I'll post the log to the wiki <walterbender> bye <perrie> bye everyone <samsongoddy> Bye <ibiam> Bye <satellit> Bye * iqra_ has quit (Quit: iqra_) <satellit> FYI https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/15x/presentations/internet-box * callaurrea has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) * iqra (~iqra@39.40.184.72) has joined * iqra has quit (Client Quit) * llaske has quit (Remote host closed the connection) * perrie has quit ()