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== SLOB Meeting -- February 17, 2021 ==
Attending: Walter, Claudia, Lionel, Perrie, MrBios
From the community: Sum2it, srevinsaju
== Topics ==
=== Finances ===
No transactions as of yet in 2021
=== Ombudsman ===
Nothing to report, although Walter will write some text to make it more obvious in our Code of Conduct that we have an ombudsman.
=== SFC ===
Claudia reported no new correspondence
=== GSoC ===
Perrie submitted the application to great acclaim
=== GSoD ===
We discussed using Summer of Documentation to prepare materials in support of teachers.
Perrie and Samson will lay the groundwork for our application
=== Workshops ===
Walter will be giving a workshop to teachers in Brazil on the 19th which could serve as a model for future Sugar Labs workshops.
=== Web Site ===
We discussed the need for some updates, including more focus on Flatpack, Sugarizer, etc. And a section on more academic papers in support of our activities. Perrie has a design proposal.
=== Matrix ===
There was consensus that Matrix worked well and we will try it again at the next meeting.
=== Next Meeting ===
3 March 2021
We have invited the new president of OLPC, Mariana Ludmila Cortés to join us in a discussion.
=== Log ===
walterbender: hello every...<br/>any SLOB members here?<br/>hmm. holding a meeting in Matrix seems to be a fail :P
llaske_ (@freenode_llaske_:matrix.org) joined the room.
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Is there a channel for the SLOB meeting?
walterbender: here<br/>but no one seems to have come to the meeting<br/>(except you)<br/>I even remembered to send a reminder
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): I've got a message telling that I've not right to do audio in the channel<br/>Yes I've seen your reminder
callaurrea: Hi everyone
walterbender: Hi callaurrea<br/>glad you made it
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Hi
callaurrea: Thanks for the reminder
walterbender: I suppose we could try using the video call mechanism, but lets see if anyone else shows up.<br/>Meanwhile, I can report on a few things that don't need much discussion/debate.
Finances: no transactions yet in 2021.
mrbios: hi folks.
walterbender: We have a quorum. Great.
mrbios: I have conflicting meetings but am in both :)
walterbender: Sorry. Maybe at the end we can discuss finding a better time for everyone?
callaurrea: good idea, walterbender
walterbender: Anyway, re Finances, a concern was raised about our spending $$ on lawyers. This is all related to the hopefully one-time process of setting up the non-profit org in the US.<br/>It is the only time in our project's history that we have had legal expenses.<br/>I don't know if it could have been done otherwise.<br/>But it is not something we should see repeated.
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Make sense and this work is documented from month.
walterbender: all in all, we have spent about US $500 per year on average for legal over the lifetime of the org... pretty reasonable
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): I don't think there is a real concern
walterbender: certainly nothing "corrupt" about it<br/>any other finance questions/concerns?
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Nope. I was very surprised by the Martin message.
walterbender: (The sum total of expenses for which I cannot find receipts is $20.)
callaurrea: I don't think we could have done the work well without the expenses
walterbender: Again, not seemingly a major concern.<br/>Re the ombudsman, nothing to report, although I wish, if Martin had concerns, he would have approached Pattie before sending his very public admonishment.<br/>Maybe we need to better publicize the fact that we have an ombudsperson?
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): May be we could answer Martin publicly about this
walterbender: I will try to come up with some language to include in our code of conduct document.
perrieee joined the room.
walterbender: Alex has been speaking with him (and both Alex and I wrote to him off list).
perrieee: Hi everyone
walterbender: hi perrieee
perrieee: sorry I am late
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Hi Perrie
walterbender: perrieee: can you see the backlog?
perrieee: yes I can
walterbender: callaurrea: anything to report from SFC?
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): BTW another subject for our agenda: GSoC. Our application has been completed by Perrie (thanks). It's on the way. Result is expected March 9th
walterbender: Yes... I was going to say a public thank you to Perrie, Lionel and Jui
callaurrea: Nothing. Other than my communication with them about the W-9 form, which happened in January<br/>No communication<br/>Thanks you, Perrie Lionel and Jui<br/>can you share the info? it would be good to include important highlights from the application into the minutes
walterbender: Perrie, maybe you could include the text of the application somewhere is the GSoC repo? So we don't have to hunt down all those numbers again next year.<br/>maybe as a wiki page?
perrieee: sure .. I can put that together and share tomorrow
walterbender: thx<br/>https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/wiki
perrieee: but this is what our profile correctly looks like
walterbender: Meanwhile, we can continue to add project ideas...<br/>Does anyone know much about the Google Summer of Doc program?<br/>Deadlines, etc?
sum2it joined the room.
walterbender: We've been discussing it in a thread somewhere
perrieee: for ideas, I want to bring up the project for a redesign of our website again: https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/pull/91#issuecomment-776364048<br/>now the time frame has been shortened
walterbender: I think we should apply and focus on materials to support teachers to take advantage of our tools.<br/>callaurrea: you'd be a great mentor for that theme
callaurrea: Love to
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Clearly teachers material will be great. It's often asked for Sugarizer on the field
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): But I don't know if it could be a proposal for GSoD. Which people could really write this sort of doc ?
walterbender: perrieee: (I will share the log and minutes)<br/>llaske_: if we find someone who can write well, we can help shape the content
callaurrea: Speaking about OLCP. Mariana may have ideas for other topics? should we reach out to her to establish connections?
walterbender: callaurrea: yes... I have been chatting with her on FB<br/>A friend of ours just became the new president of OLPC
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Oh really ? who is it?
walterbender: Mariana<br/>She is interested in deepening the ties to Sugar Labs
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Cool
callaurrea: we can invite her to present at one of our meetings... vision, where they are, etc.?
walterbender: Mariana Ludmila Cortés -- I am not sure of her OLPC email<br/>callaurrea: great idea<br/>I will see if she can join us in two weeks.
sum2it: Hi all, just joined and read the backlog.
walterbender: I just asked her if she can join us for a discussion in 2 weeks :P<br/>hi sum2it<br/>any other discussion topics?<br/>I gave a talk to a bunch of teachers in Brazil last week and am following up with a workshop this Friday.
callaurrea: missed that
walterbender: Arranged through USP<br/>any other discussion topics?
perrieee: yes ... what is the plan for the website refresh?
callaurrea: can we add the link to your sat workshop to the minutes?
walterbender: callaurrea: yes... I will add it
perrieee: I was personally thinking this GSoc will be a good time
callaurrea: we said we will begin with some of those activities... for our packages
walterbender: perrieee: I think it is a reasonable scope for a scaled back GSoC but we do need to have a concrete proposal as to how the new website is tangibly better -- both in terms of the visitor experience and maintenance overhead
perrieee: There is already a design drafted set ... I can share that again
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): I think we should do a light update of our website just to mention that SugarLabs is now Sugar, MusicBlocks and Sugarizer. But it could be done outside of GSoC in my opinion
walterbender: callaurrea: hopefully my Friday workshop can be a rehearsal for the (bi-?) monthly Sugar Labs workshops
srevinsaju (@srevinsaju:matrix.org): (I am not a part of SLOBS), but our website update mechanism has been broken since 2020 January
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): srevinsaju: sounds like a priority to fix it first
perrieee: https://www.figma.com/proto/iVvHw3nrOCjBi3FfCOM4PC/Sugar-refresh?node-id=924%3A1&scaling=min-zoom
srevinsaju (@srevinsaju:matrix.org): some changes like the Flathub by tchx84 and others are missing,
callaurrea: Is it Fridays?
perrieee: this is a draft, texts will change ... but yeah
walterbender: my USP workshop happens to be Friday... that is all<br/>the Sugar Labs ones can be whenever you think best<br/>perrieee: I will take a look... it sounds like no matter what we need to make some updates so it is good that you have put thought into it<br/>* walterbender would like a section on background reading too<br/>* walterbender is writing a book chapter right now on Music Blocks he could share
perrieee: do you mean something like a story behind SL
walterbender: callaurrea: https://zoom.us/j/98734210784?pwd=b0xHenJuQVpKY3VBd3Y2NFJHRnlDQT09<br/>Password: 422968 (at 2:30 US East Coast -- 19:30 UTC)
sum2it: Will it be a part of a larger book?
walterbender: perrieee: I mean simply a list of papers about Sugar, Sugarizer, Music Blocks, etc. for someone interested in some of the pedagogy
callaurrea: Sat at 2:30 pm?
perrieee: oh oh coool yeah sure
walterbender: sum2it: a friend is putting together a collection of essays in celebration of the 50th anniversary of Seymour and Cynthia's 20 things to do with a computer paper.<br/>I am writing about thing #11 -- music<br/>callaurrea: Friday :smile:<br/>* walterbender does not know how to use meojis<br/>or type emoji
sum2it: walterbender Happy to help with drafts and/or editing, anytime.
walterbender: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/5836
walterbender
callaurrea: we have one paper
walterbender: callaurrea: we have the Turtle Blocks one you, Cynthia and I wrote :P
callaurrea: yes!!
walterbender: sum2it: if you wanna read/comment on my draft, you are more than welcome.
sum2it: Will do.
walterbender: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qTGRsQfOmLvR5V2Y_iD9y58MRqK9MHXTS7HFh6a-wGw/edit?usp=sharing
sum2it: Thanks.
walterbender: Any other business?<br/>I want to be respectful of the time
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): That's all on my side
walterbender: Did someone volunteer to follow up on Google Summer of Documentation?
perrieee: I can do a follow up
walterbender: thx
perrieee: Samson and I :)
walterbender: What did everyone think of using Matrix?
callaurrea: I am ok with it
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): It's like an IRC++
perrieee: I like the experience ...
sum2it: This is good
walterbender: I feel like it is a bit more inclusive than our video calls (and easier for the person writing up the minutes -- he says selfishly)<br/>So, lets use it again next time? I will let you know if Mariana can join us.
callaurrea: agree
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): okay
perrieee: agree
sum2it: +1
walterbender: OK. Until next time, feel free to ping me here<br/>thanks everyone
sum2it: Bye
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Thanks all. Bye
sum2it: Thanks all
perrieee: bye, thanks all
Attending: Walter, Claudia, Lionel, Perrie, MrBios
From the community: Sum2it, srevinsaju
== Topics ==
=== Finances ===
No transactions as of yet in 2021
=== Ombudsman ===
Nothing to report, although Walter will write some text to make it more obvious in our Code of Conduct that we have an ombudsman.
=== SFC ===
Claudia reported no new correspondence
=== GSoC ===
Perrie submitted the application to great acclaim
=== GSoD ===
We discussed using Summer of Documentation to prepare materials in support of teachers.
Perrie and Samson will lay the groundwork for our application
=== Workshops ===
Walter will be giving a workshop to teachers in Brazil on the 19th which could serve as a model for future Sugar Labs workshops.
=== Web Site ===
We discussed the need for some updates, including more focus on Flatpack, Sugarizer, etc. And a section on more academic papers in support of our activities. Perrie has a design proposal.
=== Matrix ===
There was consensus that Matrix worked well and we will try it again at the next meeting.
=== Next Meeting ===
3 March 2021
We have invited the new president of OLPC, Mariana Ludmila Cortés to join us in a discussion.
=== Log ===
walterbender: hello every...<br/>any SLOB members here?<br/>hmm. holding a meeting in Matrix seems to be a fail :P
llaske_ (@freenode_llaske_:matrix.org) joined the room.
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Is there a channel for the SLOB meeting?
walterbender: here<br/>but no one seems to have come to the meeting<br/>(except you)<br/>I even remembered to send a reminder
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): I've got a message telling that I've not right to do audio in the channel<br/>Yes I've seen your reminder
callaurrea: Hi everyone
walterbender: Hi callaurrea<br/>glad you made it
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Hi
callaurrea: Thanks for the reminder
walterbender: I suppose we could try using the video call mechanism, but lets see if anyone else shows up.<br/>Meanwhile, I can report on a few things that don't need much discussion/debate.
Finances: no transactions yet in 2021.
mrbios: hi folks.
walterbender: We have a quorum. Great.
mrbios: I have conflicting meetings but am in both :)
walterbender: Sorry. Maybe at the end we can discuss finding a better time for everyone?
callaurrea: good idea, walterbender
walterbender: Anyway, re Finances, a concern was raised about our spending $$ on lawyers. This is all related to the hopefully one-time process of setting up the non-profit org in the US.<br/>It is the only time in our project's history that we have had legal expenses.<br/>I don't know if it could have been done otherwise.<br/>But it is not something we should see repeated.
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Make sense and this work is documented from month.
walterbender: all in all, we have spent about US $500 per year on average for legal over the lifetime of the org... pretty reasonable
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): I don't think there is a real concern
walterbender: certainly nothing "corrupt" about it<br/>any other finance questions/concerns?
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Nope. I was very surprised by the Martin message.
walterbender: (The sum total of expenses for which I cannot find receipts is $20.)
callaurrea: I don't think we could have done the work well without the expenses
walterbender: Again, not seemingly a major concern.<br/>Re the ombudsman, nothing to report, although I wish, if Martin had concerns, he would have approached Pattie before sending his very public admonishment.<br/>Maybe we need to better publicize the fact that we have an ombudsperson?
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): May be we could answer Martin publicly about this
walterbender: I will try to come up with some language to include in our code of conduct document.
perrieee joined the room.
walterbender: Alex has been speaking with him (and both Alex and I wrote to him off list).
perrieee: Hi everyone
walterbender: hi perrieee
perrieee: sorry I am late
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Hi Perrie
walterbender: perrieee: can you see the backlog?
perrieee: yes I can
walterbender: callaurrea: anything to report from SFC?
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): BTW another subject for our agenda: GSoC. Our application has been completed by Perrie (thanks). It's on the way. Result is expected March 9th
walterbender: Yes... I was going to say a public thank you to Perrie, Lionel and Jui
callaurrea: Nothing. Other than my communication with them about the W-9 form, which happened in January<br/>No communication<br/>Thanks you, Perrie Lionel and Jui<br/>can you share the info? it would be good to include important highlights from the application into the minutes
walterbender: Perrie, maybe you could include the text of the application somewhere is the GSoC repo? So we don't have to hunt down all those numbers again next year.<br/>maybe as a wiki page?
perrieee: sure .. I can put that together and share tomorrow
walterbender: thx<br/>https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/wiki
perrieee: but this is what our profile correctly looks like
walterbender: Meanwhile, we can continue to add project ideas...<br/>Does anyone know much about the Google Summer of Doc program?<br/>Deadlines, etc?
sum2it joined the room.
walterbender: We've been discussing it in a thread somewhere
perrieee: for ideas, I want to bring up the project for a redesign of our website again: https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/pull/91#issuecomment-776364048<br/>now the time frame has been shortened
walterbender: I think we should apply and focus on materials to support teachers to take advantage of our tools.<br/>callaurrea: you'd be a great mentor for that theme
callaurrea: Love to
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Clearly teachers material will be great. It's often asked for Sugarizer on the field
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): But I don't know if it could be a proposal for GSoD. Which people could really write this sort of doc ?
walterbender: perrieee: (I will share the log and minutes)<br/>llaske_: if we find someone who can write well, we can help shape the content
callaurrea: Speaking about OLCP. Mariana may have ideas for other topics? should we reach out to her to establish connections?
walterbender: callaurrea: yes... I have been chatting with her on FB<br/>A friend of ours just became the new president of OLPC
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Oh really ? who is it?
walterbender: Mariana<br/>She is interested in deepening the ties to Sugar Labs
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Cool
callaurrea: we can invite her to present at one of our meetings... vision, where they are, etc.?
walterbender: Mariana Ludmila Cortés -- I am not sure of her OLPC email<br/>callaurrea: great idea<br/>I will see if she can join us in two weeks.
sum2it: Hi all, just joined and read the backlog.
walterbender: I just asked her if she can join us for a discussion in 2 weeks :P<br/>hi sum2it<br/>any other discussion topics?<br/>I gave a talk to a bunch of teachers in Brazil last week and am following up with a workshop this Friday.
callaurrea: missed that
walterbender: Arranged through USP<br/>any other discussion topics?
perrieee: yes ... what is the plan for the website refresh?
callaurrea: can we add the link to your sat workshop to the minutes?
walterbender: callaurrea: yes... I will add it
perrieee: I was personally thinking this GSoc will be a good time
callaurrea: we said we will begin with some of those activities... for our packages
walterbender: perrieee: I think it is a reasonable scope for a scaled back GSoC but we do need to have a concrete proposal as to how the new website is tangibly better -- both in terms of the visitor experience and maintenance overhead
perrieee: There is already a design drafted set ... I can share that again
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): I think we should do a light update of our website just to mention that SugarLabs is now Sugar, MusicBlocks and Sugarizer. But it could be done outside of GSoC in my opinion
walterbender: callaurrea: hopefully my Friday workshop can be a rehearsal for the (bi-?) monthly Sugar Labs workshops
srevinsaju (@srevinsaju:matrix.org): (I am not a part of SLOBS), but our website update mechanism has been broken since 2020 January
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): srevinsaju: sounds like a priority to fix it first
perrieee: https://www.figma.com/proto/iVvHw3nrOCjBi3FfCOM4PC/Sugar-refresh?node-id=924%3A1&scaling=min-zoom
srevinsaju (@srevinsaju:matrix.org): some changes like the Flathub by tchx84 and others are missing,
callaurrea: Is it Fridays?
perrieee: this is a draft, texts will change ... but yeah
walterbender: my USP workshop happens to be Friday... that is all<br/>the Sugar Labs ones can be whenever you think best<br/>perrieee: I will take a look... it sounds like no matter what we need to make some updates so it is good that you have put thought into it<br/>* walterbender would like a section on background reading too<br/>* walterbender is writing a book chapter right now on Music Blocks he could share
perrieee: do you mean something like a story behind SL
walterbender: callaurrea: https://zoom.us/j/98734210784?pwd=b0xHenJuQVpKY3VBd3Y2NFJHRnlDQT09<br/>Password: 422968 (at 2:30 US East Coast -- 19:30 UTC)
sum2it: Will it be a part of a larger book?
walterbender: perrieee: I mean simply a list of papers about Sugar, Sugarizer, Music Blocks, etc. for someone interested in some of the pedagogy
callaurrea: Sat at 2:30 pm?
perrieee: oh oh coool yeah sure
walterbender: sum2it: a friend is putting together a collection of essays in celebration of the 50th anniversary of Seymour and Cynthia's 20 things to do with a computer paper.<br/>I am writing about thing #11 -- music<br/>callaurrea: Friday :smile:<br/>* walterbender does not know how to use meojis<br/>or type emoji
sum2it: walterbender Happy to help with drafts and/or editing, anytime.
walterbender: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/5836
walterbender
callaurrea: we have one paper
walterbender: callaurrea: we have the Turtle Blocks one you, Cynthia and I wrote :P
callaurrea: yes!!
walterbender: sum2it: if you wanna read/comment on my draft, you are more than welcome.
sum2it: Will do.
walterbender: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qTGRsQfOmLvR5V2Y_iD9y58MRqK9MHXTS7HFh6a-wGw/edit?usp=sharing
sum2it: Thanks.
walterbender: Any other business?<br/>I want to be respectful of the time
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): That's all on my side
walterbender: Did someone volunteer to follow up on Google Summer of Documentation?
perrieee: I can do a follow up
walterbender: thx
perrieee: Samson and I :)
walterbender: What did everyone think of using Matrix?
callaurrea: I am ok with it
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): It's like an IRC++
perrieee: I like the experience ...
sum2it: This is good
walterbender: I feel like it is a bit more inclusive than our video calls (and easier for the person writing up the minutes -- he says selfishly)<br/>So, lets use it again next time? I will let you know if Mariana can join us.
callaurrea: agree
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): okay
perrieee: agree
sum2it: +1
walterbender: OK. Until next time, feel free to ping me here<br/>thanks everyone
sum2it: Bye
llaske_ (@llaske_:matrix.org): Thanks all. Bye
sum2it: Thanks all
perrieee: bye, thanks all