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:'''<walter>''' Is everyone together right now?
:'''<walter>''' Who is here? Shall we get started?
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:'''<gregdek>''' Presto!
:'''<marcopg>''' hello
:'''<walter>''' Is Marco around? And Chris Ball?
:'''<marcopg>''' walter: hello
:'''<walter>''' Hello everyone.
:'''<marcopg>''' pinged cjb in #sugar
:'''<walter>''' I put together an agenda in the wiki: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/OversightBoard/Minutes#Friday_5_September_2008_-_14.00_.28UTC.29
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:'''<walter>''' I'd like to discuss some bureaucratic issues first, as this is the first meeting of the elected Oversight Board
:'''<tomeu>''' ok
:'''<walter>''' We've been pretty good about things like minutes, but let's appoint someone at each meeting to be responsible for them.
:'''<gregdek>''' ok :)
:'''<walter>''' I'm happy to do it this time.
:'''<walter>''' A couple of other things that are at loose ends, at least in my mind:
:'''<walter>''' Presumably this is an open meeting.
:'''<gregdek>''' I hope so.
:'''<walter>''' I didn't announce it other than in the Sugar DIgest though.
:'''<walter>''' Should we announce it to sugar and iaep?
:'''<gregdek>''' I have no objection.
:'''<marcopg>''' sounds good
:'''<gregdek>''' How do we handle visitors?
:'''<gregdek>''' Do we allow people to participate, or watch, or what?
:'''<walter>''' Good question.
:'''<walter>''' I think we let people participate, but if we need to vote on something, the board would do that.
:'''<gregdek>''' Fine for me.
:'''<walter>''' The more minds the better, at least at this scale.
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:'''<walter>''' Which brings me to another issue: I'd like to propose we explicitly invite some folks to these meetings.
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:'''<walter>''' The board is a great group, but very tech-centric. We are underrepresented in the deployments and learning.
:'''<gregdek>''' As recurrent guests, or from time to time depending on the topic, or what?
:'''<_bernieXO>''' true
:'''<walter>''' I think as permanent -- non-voting until/if we change the by-laws -- members
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to ask a designer (Eben or Christian perhaps) to be here.
:'''<walter>''' I'd like Hernan or Paulo from deployments to be here.
:'''<marcopg>''' yeah I'm actually sad that Christian was not elected :)
:'''<walter>''' I'd like some educators to be here.
:'''<marcopg>''' and no one from the deployments
:'''<marcopg>''' absolutely +1 from me
:'''<gregdek>''' No objection here.
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:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, makes sense
:'''<gregdek>''' I especially favor deployment representatives.
:'''<walter>''' Could we resolve to make a formal outreach from the OB to each of these constituencies?
:'''<gregdek>''' i.e. "users". :)
:'''<walter>''' Perhaps in the form of committee heads?
:'''<walter>''' We do have the task of appointing committees...
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:'''<walter>''' The only one we agreed to in advance was membership
:'''<tomeu>''' sounds interesting, which would be those committees?
:'''<gregdek>''' Perhaps we should enumerate the committees and their purposes before we agree to head them. ;)
:'''<tomeu>''' deployment committee would make sense?
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:'''<walter>''' We have a first pass in the wiki: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance/Committees
:'''<walter>''' We never had a deployment committee on the list. If we create one and appoint some folks from Peru and Uruguay to kick-start it...
:'''<walter>''' We can ask that they report back at each OB meeting...
:'''<walter>''' Same with Learning...
:'''<gregdek>''' +1 to a deployment committee.
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:'''<bernieXO>''' 3
:'''<gregdek>''' So I understand. The goal of the deployment committee would be to serve as ombudsman for deployments?
:'''<walter>''' We had 3-4 very strong candidates who'
:'''<walter>''' d make a great kernel of a deployment committee: Paulo, Rabi, Hernan, etc.
:'''<walter>''' More than just ombudsman, which is my mind is a more reactive role
:'''<bernieXO>''' I'd like to get rabi or bryan involved if they want to
:'''<gregdek>''' Actively bringing issues to the board?
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to see them actively pursuing issues... and bring the important ones to our attention.
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:'''<walter>''' Not just waiting for complaints...
:'''<gregdek>''' Right.
:'''<gregdek>''' So. Are we waiting on volunteers to chair committees? :)
:'''<walter>''' We should not wait, but solicit. I'm happy to solicit members to the Deployment committee and ask them to help write up a mission statement.
:'''<walter>''' We need to appoint a OB member to each committee as well...
:'''<walter>''' Anyone want to tackle Membership?
:'''<tomeu>''' arjun may be able to bring some experience to the deployment committee
:'''<walter>''' Yeah. And maybe Carla?
:'''<tomeu>''' would be nice to have someone from africa, perhaps julaino knows someone?
:'''<tomeu>''' julaino
:'''<tomeu>''' juliano, sorry
:'''<walter>''' I know the folks involved in several of those trails as well. We need not settle on the details now, but I think we agree in spirit on what to do re Deployment?
:'''<cjl>''' Distinctions between Deployment, Learning and Community might be made clearer. Deployment sounds like "user community" and "learning workers in the field". Community (as currently framed) seems more like "Participation".
:'''<gregdek>''' The most actionable mission statements make the best committees. :)
:'''<gregdek>''' Deployment is clear: "to solicit feedback and prioritize improvements for Sugar deployments in the field" or something like that.
:'''<gregdek>''' Others, to me, are less clear.
:'''<gregdek>''' Learning in particular.
:'''<walter>''' I think the idea behind community committee was not so much the constituency as much as the task: they'd be all about organizing Sugar meetings
:'''<walter>''' e.g., BOF and tjhe like around the world
:'''<gregdek>''' Then let's call it the Events committee?
:'''<walter>''' Is there the need for a separate Learning committee? Perhaps not yet.
:'''<walter>''' Events works for me.
* gregdek would be happy to work the Events committee.
:'''<gregdek>''' Having had some experience there.
:'''<tomeu>''' this actionable mission statement thing sounds good to me
:'''<walter>''' Quick: everyone else take one step back. Greg, it is yours!!
:'''<marcopg_>''' :)
:'''<dfarning>''' Sorry I'm late, I will work on membership
:'''<gregdek>''' I WILL NOT FAIL YOU, SIR.
:'''<walter>''' Another glutton for punishment has spoken... great!
:'''<gregdek>''' It means I escape the harder committees. ;)
:'''<bernieXO>''' I shall take infrastructure then
:'''<walter>''' So, as specific action items, could Greg, Dave, Bernie, (and whomever -- me?) come up with a short list of committee members and work with them on mission statements for our next meeting?
:'''<gregdek>''' I will.
:'''<dfarning>''' yes
:'''<walter>''' Shall we leave the learning committee aside for the time being?
:'''<walter>''' See what the other ones turn into?
:'''<gregdek>''' Until we can more explicitly describe its goals, I would say.
:'''<walter>''' What about driving the technical/design goals? Is that a committee?
:'''<tomeu>''' all committees are learning committees ;)
:'''<gregdek>''' An aside: it's "Sugar Labs", not "sugarlabs", right?
:'''<walter>''' Yes.
:'''<walter>''' But when we get to the logo discussion, we may consider sugarlabs
:'''<walter>''' back to committees, maybe Simon has an opinion about the need for a tech committee
:'''<marcopg_>''' what's the actionable mission for tech?
:'''<erikos>''' walter, you mean me?
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to propose that the OB formally sing Simon's praises for doing a great job as release manager.
:'''<dfarning>''' walter, would you consider leading the teaching committee, none of the rest of us are very qualified?
:'''<marcopg_>''' walter: +1!
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, let's sing!
:'''<bernieXO>''' watch out your teeth!
:'''<walter>''' The setting of technical goals is something that needs coordinating, but maybe that is something that the Release Manager does...
:'''<walter>''' Or do we want to have a committee? That is what I was asking Simon.
:'''<walter>''' What would make it easier, more productive for you?
:'''<bernieXO>''' we're largely understaffed in the tech team... this is maybe a topic to be discussed later
:'''<tomeu>''' I'm not sure if committees work on this one
:'''<erikos>''' so the release manager is not setting the goals as i understand it
:'''<erikos>''' he does make sure the goals that has been set get into the release
:'''<tomeu>''' developers interested in implementing a feature are in charge of driving the design discussion
:'''<marcopg_>''' yeah I'm not sure we should a tech committee
:'''<gregdek>''' Or stay out for good reasons. :)
:'''<walter>''' Not setting... I misspoke... but making sure they are clearly articulated, so he/she can do his/her job
:'''<tomeu>''' in a more informal way, I think
:'''<bernieXO>''' tomeu: i'd follow the old mantra of not touching what is not broken
:'''<walter>''' +1
:'''<erikos>''' walter, ok
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, perhaps that's what I had in my mind
:'''<walter>''' Let's leave it for now.
:'''<bernieXO>''' the sugar hackers have been coordinating themselves impressively so far
:'''<walter>''' Very well coordinated... a pleasure to watch
:'''<tomeu>''' we are just too tired to fight for long...
:'''<tomeu>''' ;)
:'''<erikos>''' i can keep on doing what i did during this release if people were worried about that
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:'''<walter>''' If you are willing...
:'''<erikos>''' sure
:'''<walter>''' I just want to make sure you have the tools you need.
:'''<erikos>''' one critical thing we need is a bug squad
:'''<erikos>''' that would really help in order to make the release process successful
:'''<gregdek>''' +1 to organizing a Test Committee.
:'''<gregdek>''' (Which is a really hard job, by the way.)
:'''<walter>''' Let's recruit Mikus
:'''<tomeu>''' mchua wanted to work on that?
:'''<marcopg_>''' what about hoboprimate and garycmartin?
:'''<erikos>''' i was thinking about hoboprimate and garycmatrtin
:'''<marcopg_>''' they are both *very* good I think
:'''<erikos>''' +2
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah
:'''<walter>''' We have some very good people.
:'''<walter>''' We need to give them a mandate and a means to be successful
:'''<tomeu>''' benzea and mtd may just keep sending patches as they feel better
:'''<tomeu>''' I missed bemasc, may be busy with other stuff
:'''<marcopg_>''' yeah he is busy I think
:'''<marcopg_>''' getting graduated or something
:'''<erikos>''' ok so what action item does need to be fulfilled to get the bugsqad going
:'''<tomeu>''' and Charles Merriam?
:'''<erikos>''' what do they need
:'''<walter>''' We need one of us to act as liaison/coordinator
:'''<erikos>''' ok i can do that
:'''<erikos>''' it does fit well with the release efforts ;p
:'''<walter>''' So we have membership, deployment, events, test set to take action on
:'''<cjl>''' Distinctions between Deployment, Learning and Community might be made clearer. Deployment sounds like "user community" and "learning workers in the field". Community (as currently framed) seems more like "Participation".
:'''<cjl>''' sorry
:'''<gregdek>''' cjl: Replacing "community" in that list with "events".
:'''<walter>''' I think the blending of deployment/participation/learning is hard to tease apart at this stage
:'''<walter>''' Are we putting "learning" as a separate committee on hold for the moment?
:'''<gregdek>''' :'''<business_hat>'''Deployment == customer satisfaction:'''</business_hat>'''
:'''<cjl>''' sorry, I repeated an earlier line by accident, what I meant to say was I assume Walter handles Finance for now?
:'''<walter>''' Let's talk about finance...
:'''<bernieXO>''' oh yeah
:'''<walter>''' The bottom line is I think that the main focus for me in the next few months is $$$
:'''<bernieXO>''' $$$
:'''<tomeu>''' what are we going to spend the money on?
:'''<walter>''' I am getting a number of proposals from folks, e.g., an interesting proposal to set up a development team in Pakistan.
:'''<tomeu>''' travel, what else?
:'''<gregdek>''' EVENTS.
:'''<gregdek>''' Over half of Fedora's discretionary spend goes to event funding.
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: that' _INTERESTING_
:'''<tomeu>''' walter: sounds interesting
:'''<walter>''' And helping get more developers going.
:'''<tomeu>''' as always, I'd like to talk about growing our devleopment resources
:'''<walter>''' Not Sugar Lab employees, but affilated groups that want to advance our mssion
:'''<bernieXO>''' badly needed
:'''<walter>''' If we can raise money (or help others to raise money) to subsidize development, I think we should.
:'''<tomeu>''' walter: I know we are not fans of payed developers in sugarlabs, but I think that it could have a big strategic impact to contract someone for the next 6 months
:'''<tomeu>''' so we have a much better 0.84 release
:'''<tomeu>''' if 0.84 really rocks, we'll have an easier road next year
:'''<walter>''' I know this is a controversial issue, but we need the horses and the long-term interest of some of our partners, e.g., OLPC, is not development.
:'''<dfarning>''' Yes, I agree will walters last statement. In fact his main focus should be engaging statkeholders
:'''<walter>''' I think there are any number of groups that would be willing to help us help them.
:'''<tomeu>''' yes, I see countries and other organizations as the future of development resourcing
:'''<bernieXO>''' yes, we should make sure Sugar Labs doesn't become the main source of developers, but sponsoring one or two for 6 months would be fine
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, I'm advocating for something like a "strategic exception"
:'''<walter>''' I was looking into a plan, for example, for the WB to fund the development of SME tools based on Sugar that would advance their mission of fostering local entrepreneurship
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:'''<tomeu>''' supporting past releases is draining lots of development resources
:'''<bernieXO>''' the Linux Foundation also sponsor a few "random" kernel hackers
:'''<walter>''' They have offered to help with Events...
:'''<walter>''' (Greg: we should talk about this offline)
:'''<gregdek>''' walter: Happy to.
:'''<walter>''' But we need more help in development sooner than later and unfortunately, outside of our control, some people are being pulled off the project...
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: who are the developers in this packistani team?
:'''<tomeu>''' or redirected to non-sugar stuff
:'''<walter>''' We'll need to have the resources to guarantee some level of stability
:'''<walter>''' in some cases, redirected, in some cases, contracts not renewed.
:'''<walter>''' But we could, for example, channel some of these resources to help build up some of the fledgling teams in places like Pakistan
:'''<tomeu>''' I wouldn't mind to spend some times on those places
:'''<tomeu>''' helping build the team
:'''<tomeu>''' but the recruiting job may be a hard one
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: you know I'd love to do it, don't you?
:'''<tomeu>''' we have two people in the travel committee ;)
:'''<walter>''' I think we an count on locals to find talent--we'll have to help bring them up to speed.
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: although I'm afraid I didn't have much luck hiring new sugar hackers in kathmandu...
:'''<walter>''' And I can work with these groups to find money to support them and the help.
:'''<bernieXO>''' I think this is exactly what we'd need at this time
:'''<walter>''' As Bernie points out, there is not guaranteed to be critical mass of talent everywhere, but we need to start somewhere.
:'''<walter>''' I think Pakistan and India are good places to try.
:'''<walter>''' So I have been working on some joint proposals.
:'''<walter>''' What should be the process of vetting a proposal that commits Sugar Labs to something or asks for a Sugar Labs endorsement?
:'''<bernieXO>''' but if we succed in creating a team outside USA/Europe, it would be doubly as worthwile
:'''<gregdek>''' walter: Discuss it in a board meeting and vote if need be?
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: good question...
* gregdek is wary of creating process before it proves to be necessary...
:'''<walter>''' The other thing I have been working on is corporate money. I am meeting with Chuck next week to spend a day on a fundrasing roadmap/strategy
:'''<walter>''' I will have a few different proposals pulled together over the next few weeks. I'll circulate them to the OB, I suppose.
:'''<marcopg_>''' approval by the board sounds good to me for endorsement
:'''<tomeu>''' after some discussion in the mailing lists, I guess
:'''<walter>''' There is an issue with public discussion of some proposals...
:'''<walter>''' Maybe I can generalize them--remove the names--for the mailing list discussion?
:'''<tomeu>''' I think the broad community can give input on broad strategy and policy
:'''<bernieXO>''' sure
:'''<walter>''' I think the ideas can and should be public. But the details of whom and where are perhaps more sensitive?
:'''<tomeu>''' concrete proposals may be a different thing
:'''<walter>''' OK. will do.
:'''<tomeu>''' sure, that everybody can understand
:'''<walter>''' So, plan on a report from the finance committee at the next meeting.
:'''<walter>''' One more detail re committees and the like. OK to reappoint Bert as Ombudsman?
:'''<dfarning>''' yes
:'''<tomeu>''' if he's interested, yeah
:'''<walter>''' I think he is... but I'll confirm.
:'''<walter>''' I don't think it has been a burden to date, but I think it is good to have someone in that role.
:'''<tomeu>''' agreed
:'''<walter>''' Another bit of admisnitrivia: SFC
:'''<bernieXO>''' have we been officially endorsed yet?
:'''<walter>''' Karen has been out much of the summer due to a medical issue so things have gone very very slowly.
:'''<walter>''' I am trying to get the final draft of the agreement for the board to sign.
:'''<walter>''' It is not in any significant way different from what we discussed in Milan, but...
:'''<walter>''' As soon as I get their sign off, we'll circulate it for your signatures.
:'''<tomeu>''' walter: do you anticipate any problem?
:'''<walter>''' (Originally, the acting board was going to sign it.)
:'''<walter>''' I don't there is a problem... just that Karen has been out.
:'''<walter>''' I spoke with them briefly yesterday and they seem to still be enthusiastic about out joining.
:'''<tomeu>''' ok, hope this goes forward
:'''<bernieXO>''' cool
:'''<walter>''' Yes. I have been in limbo re fundraising because of it, for one.
:'''<walter>''' (and I thought the pope got rid of limbo at Vatican II)
:'''<dfarning>''' I'm willing to be point of contact to SFC so walter can move on to other issues
:'''<tomeu>''' sounds good, like OLPC has been doing with laptop.org
:'''<erikos>''' sugarlabs.org ;p
* gregdek wanders afk.
:'''<bernieXO>''' how about the second server?
:'''<dfarning>''' I can tie the email address as a part of membership
:'''<marcopg_>''' dfarning: +1
:'''<bernieXO>''' or would we want to let people go and discuss it only with interested parties?
:'''<dfarning>''' will report next meeting
:'''<erikos>''' and a t-shirt ;p
:'''<tomeu>''' would be now a good time (before we get seriously into 0.84) to migrate more stuff to sugarlabs machines?
:'''<bernieXO>''' dfarning: ok thanks
:'''<bernieXO>''' tomeu: the lists, at least
:'''<erikos>''' well we need the machine up as far as i know to host git as well
:'''<bernieXO>''' erikos: the second machine was going to host user shell accounts, secondary services, backups, and such
:'''<bernieXO>''' for now, develer is still providing these things
:'''<erikos>''' bernieXO, yup - we should make it a solid solution before announcing it
:'''<erikos>''' bernieXO, but i am confident we will have the second machine soon ;p
:'''<dfarning>''' could someone update http://sugarlabs.org/go/InfrastructureTeam I have lost track
:'''<marcopg_>''' dfarning: I don't think it's out of sync
:'''<bernieXO>''' dfarning: can't do it quickly, my laptop just dropped dead
:'''<marcopg_>''' dfarning: we just don't have all the services setup yet
:'''<marcopg_>''' dfarning: and we are looking for a second box
:'''<walter>''' I just posed Christian's sketches: http://sugarlabs.org/go/UITeam/Logo-ideas#Christian.27s_take_on_this_theme
:'''<walter>''' BTW, AMD has offered us a box; just taking time to materialize
:'''<marcopg_>''' I don't like the colors :)
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, don't like the colors neither
:'''<walter>''' The colors can change... just like XO colors
:'''<walter>''' I like the orange we saw in Milan
:'''<walter>''' He is going to give me an SVG so we can play with the colors.
:'''<marcopg_>''' +1 for the orange :)
:'''<gregdek>''' Logotype, eh?
:'''<gregdek>''' -1 to Christian!
:'''<walter>''' But what I like about it is that it is thematically related, but not another abstract icon
:'''<gregdek>''' I like the sucker.
:'''<bernieXO>''' haha
:'''<bernieXO>''' with the light bulb superimposed :)
:'''<tomeu>''' hmm, don't know if I didn't liked more the italian logos
:'''<tomeu>''' but the colors are important and can be changed, yeah
:'''<walter>''' I liked the logos Luca did for us, but I was never comfortable introducing yet another icon...
:'''<walter>''' there was still too much of a distance to associate it with Sugar Labs.
:'''<gregdek>''' I'm kidding. I really don't care.
:'''<walter>''' We need to be a bit more blatant with getting our name out there.
:'''<gregdek>''' The mark doesn't matter. It's the experience that the mark provides.
:'''<cjb`>''' Hi all, sorry I'm so late. Catching up now.
:'''<walter>''' If we were as famous as Prince (or the artist formerly know as Prince) we could use an icon.
:'''<cjl>''' It needs to look cool on schwag. There is an art to that.
:'''<walter>''' Or random Unicode codepoint...
:'''<gregdek>''' Maybe we could get some treatments of the logotype in common usage?
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:'''<cjb>''' walter: Very happy to hear about reaching out to educators/deployments -- my first thought on seeing the board was "wow, this is a lot of programmers" :)
:'''<walter>''' I really like: U0E5B ๛
:'''<bernieXO>''' a key?
:'''<gregdek>''' Is our agenda mostly done, btw?
:'''<walter>''' It is a Thai character for end of chapter... but Sugar Labs is a beginning, not an end...
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to raise one more topic
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: so reverse it!
:'''<walter>''' I had a long conversation with a group in Toronto yesterday about accessibility
:'''<walter>''' They'd like Sugar Labs to participate in a proposal and it has far reach... into Linux/Gnome/and various deployments.
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:'''<walter>''' Not really much to discuss here, except to raise it as an issue to ask how we might recruit someone who could liaison between Sugar and the accessibility community
:'''<walter>''' They have some nice ideas and we have a great platform
:'''<walter>''' they are interested in our embedded efforts too, as they are interested in mobile accessibility
:'''<gregdek>''' Are they adding resources?
:'''<walter>''' In theory, yes.
:'''<cjb>''' walter: might that be David Bolter's group?
:'''<gregdek>''' Then I'm all for it. :)
:'''<walter>''' This is Jutta's group at UT. I think David Bolter is involved.
:'''<cjb>''' (He runs gok, which is GNOME's on-screen keyboard, and does a lot of behind the scenes accessibility stuff.)
:'''<cjb>''' Cool.
:'''<walter>''' I am meeting their Brasilian partners next week...
:'''<walter>''' I think this is something we should follow/participate in.
:'''<walter>''' Apparently, accessibility is going to be part of the Brasil olpc bid.
:'''<gregdek>''' I've got a Fedora ambassador who is doing grad studies on OLPC and leads Fedora ambassadors in South America. Very motivated. Should we throw him into that mix?
:'''<walter>''' Sure. I meet them next Thursday morning in Cambridge.
:'''<walter>''' Any one want to take the lead on this theme? Or should I develop it a bit further first?
:'''<gregdek>''' I'd kind of like to know more.
:'''<walter>''' No takers? OK.
:'''<walter>''' One final topic: next meeting date
:'''<walter>''' How about in two weeks?
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:'''<gregdek>''' Two weeks works for me.
:'''<walter>''' Same time, same channel?
:'''<dfarning>''' sounds good
:'''<walter>''' I'll post today's log/minutes in the wiki...
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, good for me
:'''<cjb>''' works great. I'll be on time for that one, sorry again. Pesky developer's sleep schedule.
:'''<erikos>''' thanks!
:'''<walter>''' OK. Thanks for participating today...
:'''<marcopg_>''' thanks!
:'''<tomeu>''' one more small thing:
:'''<walter>''' sure
:'''<tomeu>''' how is the OB going to communicate between them outside the irc meetings?
:'''<walter>''' Bernie, can you make a list?
:'''<BernieXO>''' cjb: hay man!
:'''<BernieXO>''' walter: sure
:'''<BernieXO>''' walter: overseers@lists.sugarlabs.org?
:'''<walter>''' but I think the private comm. will be minimal. Sugar and iaep seem to be the right forums for most things.
:'''<cjl>''' walter on accessibility, there are some local folks possibly worth talking to http://ncam.wgbh.org/bp/index.html
:'''<walter>''' how about simply ob@
:'''<walter>''' clj: I'll check it out.
* BernieXO likes c.scott's policy of forwarding all email he receives in private to the lists (unless REALLY confidential)
:'''<BernieXO>''' walter: ok... or board@
:'''<cjl>''' walter, mchua is also someone to drag into that issue.
:'''<BernieXO>''' no, ob@ is better, we might have multiple boards
:'''<davidb>''' walter: please see if you can get someone to 'wear the sugar accessibility hat'
:'''<BernieXO>''' cjl: sure... she also vounteered to be a bug master some time ago...
:'''<BernieXO>''' cjl: we should enroll her if she's still willing and available, once we have the bug tracker set up
:'''<walter>''' davidb: I'll find someone to be the champion...
:'''<davidb>''' awesome
:'''<cjl>''' She didn't really get to do the accessibility stuff she had planned for ILXO (as far as I know), it's an impt issue to her.
:'''<dfarning>''' I'll look into accessibility this week, might need to pass it off next meeting
:'''<walter>''' So, meeting adjourned?
:'''<walter>''' Who is here? Shall we get started?
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:'''<gregdek>''' Presto!
:'''<marcopg>''' hello
:'''<walter>''' Is Marco around? And Chris Ball?
:'''<marcopg>''' walter: hello
:'''<walter>''' Hello everyone.
:'''<marcopg>''' pinged cjb in #sugar
:'''<walter>''' I put together an agenda in the wiki: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/OversightBoard/Minutes#Friday_5_September_2008_-_14.00_.28UTC.29
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:'''<walter>''' I'd like to discuss some bureaucratic issues first, as this is the first meeting of the elected Oversight Board
:'''<tomeu>''' ok
:'''<walter>''' We've been pretty good about things like minutes, but let's appoint someone at each meeting to be responsible for them.
:'''<gregdek>''' ok :)
:'''<walter>''' I'm happy to do it this time.
:'''<walter>''' A couple of other things that are at loose ends, at least in my mind:
:'''<walter>''' Presumably this is an open meeting.
:'''<gregdek>''' I hope so.
:'''<walter>''' I didn't announce it other than in the Sugar DIgest though.
:'''<walter>''' Should we announce it to sugar and iaep?
:'''<gregdek>''' I have no objection.
:'''<marcopg>''' sounds good
:'''<gregdek>''' How do we handle visitors?
:'''<gregdek>''' Do we allow people to participate, or watch, or what?
:'''<walter>''' Good question.
:'''<walter>''' I think we let people participate, but if we need to vote on something, the board would do that.
:'''<gregdek>''' Fine for me.
:'''<walter>''' The more minds the better, at least at this scale.
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:'''<walter>''' Which brings me to another issue: I'd like to propose we explicitly invite some folks to these meetings.
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:'''<walter>''' The board is a great group, but very tech-centric. We are underrepresented in the deployments and learning.
:'''<gregdek>''' As recurrent guests, or from time to time depending on the topic, or what?
:'''<_bernieXO>''' true
:'''<walter>''' I think as permanent -- non-voting until/if we change the by-laws -- members
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to ask a designer (Eben or Christian perhaps) to be here.
:'''<walter>''' I'd like Hernan or Paulo from deployments to be here.
:'''<marcopg>''' yeah I'm actually sad that Christian was not elected :)
:'''<walter>''' I'd like some educators to be here.
:'''<marcopg>''' and no one from the deployments
:'''<marcopg>''' absolutely +1 from me
:'''<gregdek>''' No objection here.
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:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, makes sense
:'''<gregdek>''' I especially favor deployment representatives.
:'''<walter>''' Could we resolve to make a formal outreach from the OB to each of these constituencies?
:'''<gregdek>''' i.e. "users". :)
:'''<walter>''' Perhaps in the form of committee heads?
:'''<walter>''' We do have the task of appointing committees...
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:'''<walter>''' The only one we agreed to in advance was membership
:'''<tomeu>''' sounds interesting, which would be those committees?
:'''<gregdek>''' Perhaps we should enumerate the committees and their purposes before we agree to head them. ;)
:'''<tomeu>''' deployment committee would make sense?
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:'''<walter>''' We have a first pass in the wiki: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance/Committees
:'''<walter>''' We never had a deployment committee on the list. If we create one and appoint some folks from Peru and Uruguay to kick-start it...
:'''<walter>''' We can ask that they report back at each OB meeting...
:'''<walter>''' Same with Learning...
:'''<gregdek>''' +1 to a deployment committee.
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:'''<bernieXO>''' 3
:'''<gregdek>''' So I understand. The goal of the deployment committee would be to serve as ombudsman for deployments?
:'''<walter>''' We had 3-4 very strong candidates who'
:'''<walter>''' d make a great kernel of a deployment committee: Paulo, Rabi, Hernan, etc.
:'''<walter>''' More than just ombudsman, which is my mind is a more reactive role
:'''<bernieXO>''' I'd like to get rabi or bryan involved if they want to
:'''<gregdek>''' Actively bringing issues to the board?
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to see them actively pursuing issues... and bring the important ones to our attention.
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:'''<walter>''' Not just waiting for complaints...
:'''<gregdek>''' Right.
:'''<gregdek>''' So. Are we waiting on volunteers to chair committees? :)
:'''<walter>''' We should not wait, but solicit. I'm happy to solicit members to the Deployment committee and ask them to help write up a mission statement.
:'''<walter>''' We need to appoint a OB member to each committee as well...
:'''<walter>''' Anyone want to tackle Membership?
:'''<tomeu>''' arjun may be able to bring some experience to the deployment committee
:'''<walter>''' Yeah. And maybe Carla?
:'''<tomeu>''' would be nice to have someone from africa, perhaps julaino knows someone?
:'''<tomeu>''' julaino
:'''<tomeu>''' juliano, sorry
:'''<walter>''' I know the folks involved in several of those trails as well. We need not settle on the details now, but I think we agree in spirit on what to do re Deployment?
:'''<cjl>''' Distinctions between Deployment, Learning and Community might be made clearer. Deployment sounds like "user community" and "learning workers in the field". Community (as currently framed) seems more like "Participation".
:'''<gregdek>''' The most actionable mission statements make the best committees. :)
:'''<gregdek>''' Deployment is clear: "to solicit feedback and prioritize improvements for Sugar deployments in the field" or something like that.
:'''<gregdek>''' Others, to me, are less clear.
:'''<gregdek>''' Learning in particular.
:'''<walter>''' I think the idea behind community committee was not so much the constituency as much as the task: they'd be all about organizing Sugar meetings
:'''<walter>''' e.g., BOF and tjhe like around the world
:'''<gregdek>''' Then let's call it the Events committee?
:'''<walter>''' Is there the need for a separate Learning committee? Perhaps not yet.
:'''<walter>''' Events works for me.
* gregdek would be happy to work the Events committee.
:'''<gregdek>''' Having had some experience there.
:'''<tomeu>''' this actionable mission statement thing sounds good to me
:'''<walter>''' Quick: everyone else take one step back. Greg, it is yours!!
:'''<marcopg_>''' :)
:'''<dfarning>''' Sorry I'm late, I will work on membership
:'''<gregdek>''' I WILL NOT FAIL YOU, SIR.
:'''<walter>''' Another glutton for punishment has spoken... great!
:'''<gregdek>''' It means I escape the harder committees. ;)
:'''<bernieXO>''' I shall take infrastructure then
:'''<walter>''' So, as specific action items, could Greg, Dave, Bernie, (and whomever -- me?) come up with a short list of committee members and work with them on mission statements for our next meeting?
:'''<gregdek>''' I will.
:'''<dfarning>''' yes
:'''<walter>''' Shall we leave the learning committee aside for the time being?
:'''<walter>''' See what the other ones turn into?
:'''<gregdek>''' Until we can more explicitly describe its goals, I would say.
:'''<walter>''' What about driving the technical/design goals? Is that a committee?
:'''<tomeu>''' all committees are learning committees ;)
:'''<gregdek>''' An aside: it's "Sugar Labs", not "sugarlabs", right?
:'''<walter>''' Yes.
:'''<walter>''' But when we get to the logo discussion, we may consider sugarlabs
:'''<walter>''' back to committees, maybe Simon has an opinion about the need for a tech committee
:'''<marcopg_>''' what's the actionable mission for tech?
:'''<erikos>''' walter, you mean me?
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to propose that the OB formally sing Simon's praises for doing a great job as release manager.
:'''<dfarning>''' walter, would you consider leading the teaching committee, none of the rest of us are very qualified?
:'''<marcopg_>''' walter: +1!
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, let's sing!
:'''<bernieXO>''' watch out your teeth!
:'''<walter>''' The setting of technical goals is something that needs coordinating, but maybe that is something that the Release Manager does...
:'''<walter>''' Or do we want to have a committee? That is what I was asking Simon.
:'''<walter>''' What would make it easier, more productive for you?
:'''<bernieXO>''' we're largely understaffed in the tech team... this is maybe a topic to be discussed later
:'''<tomeu>''' I'm not sure if committees work on this one
:'''<erikos>''' so the release manager is not setting the goals as i understand it
:'''<erikos>''' he does make sure the goals that has been set get into the release
:'''<tomeu>''' developers interested in implementing a feature are in charge of driving the design discussion
:'''<marcopg_>''' yeah I'm not sure we should a tech committee
:'''<gregdek>''' Or stay out for good reasons. :)
:'''<walter>''' Not setting... I misspoke... but making sure they are clearly articulated, so he/she can do his/her job
:'''<tomeu>''' in a more informal way, I think
:'''<bernieXO>''' tomeu: i'd follow the old mantra of not touching what is not broken
:'''<walter>''' +1
:'''<erikos>''' walter, ok
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, perhaps that's what I had in my mind
:'''<walter>''' Let's leave it for now.
:'''<bernieXO>''' the sugar hackers have been coordinating themselves impressively so far
:'''<walter>''' Very well coordinated... a pleasure to watch
:'''<tomeu>''' we are just too tired to fight for long...
:'''<tomeu>''' ;)
:'''<erikos>''' i can keep on doing what i did during this release if people were worried about that
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:'''<walter>''' If you are willing...
:'''<erikos>''' sure
:'''<walter>''' I just want to make sure you have the tools you need.
:'''<erikos>''' one critical thing we need is a bug squad
:'''<erikos>''' that would really help in order to make the release process successful
:'''<gregdek>''' +1 to organizing a Test Committee.
:'''<gregdek>''' (Which is a really hard job, by the way.)
:'''<walter>''' Let's recruit Mikus
:'''<tomeu>''' mchua wanted to work on that?
:'''<marcopg_>''' what about hoboprimate and garycmartin?
:'''<erikos>''' i was thinking about hoboprimate and garycmatrtin
:'''<marcopg_>''' they are both *very* good I think
:'''<erikos>''' +2
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah
:'''<walter>''' We have some very good people.
:'''<walter>''' We need to give them a mandate and a means to be successful
:'''<tomeu>''' benzea and mtd may just keep sending patches as they feel better
:'''<tomeu>''' I missed bemasc, may be busy with other stuff
:'''<marcopg_>''' yeah he is busy I think
:'''<marcopg_>''' getting graduated or something
:'''<erikos>''' ok so what action item does need to be fulfilled to get the bugsqad going
:'''<tomeu>''' and Charles Merriam?
:'''<erikos>''' what do they need
:'''<walter>''' We need one of us to act as liaison/coordinator
:'''<erikos>''' ok i can do that
:'''<erikos>''' it does fit well with the release efforts ;p
:'''<walter>''' So we have membership, deployment, events, test set to take action on
:'''<cjl>''' Distinctions between Deployment, Learning and Community might be made clearer. Deployment sounds like "user community" and "learning workers in the field". Community (as currently framed) seems more like "Participation".
:'''<cjl>''' sorry
:'''<gregdek>''' cjl: Replacing "community" in that list with "events".
:'''<walter>''' I think the blending of deployment/participation/learning is hard to tease apart at this stage
:'''<walter>''' Are we putting "learning" as a separate committee on hold for the moment?
:'''<gregdek>''' :'''<business_hat>'''Deployment == customer satisfaction:'''</business_hat>'''
:'''<cjl>''' sorry, I repeated an earlier line by accident, what I meant to say was I assume Walter handles Finance for now?
:'''<walter>''' Let's talk about finance...
:'''<bernieXO>''' oh yeah
:'''<walter>''' The bottom line is I think that the main focus for me in the next few months is $$$
:'''<bernieXO>''' $$$
:'''<tomeu>''' what are we going to spend the money on?
:'''<walter>''' I am getting a number of proposals from folks, e.g., an interesting proposal to set up a development team in Pakistan.
:'''<tomeu>''' travel, what else?
:'''<gregdek>''' EVENTS.
:'''<gregdek>''' Over half of Fedora's discretionary spend goes to event funding.
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: that' _INTERESTING_
:'''<tomeu>''' walter: sounds interesting
:'''<walter>''' And helping get more developers going.
:'''<tomeu>''' as always, I'd like to talk about growing our devleopment resources
:'''<walter>''' Not Sugar Lab employees, but affilated groups that want to advance our mssion
:'''<bernieXO>''' badly needed
:'''<walter>''' If we can raise money (or help others to raise money) to subsidize development, I think we should.
:'''<tomeu>''' walter: I know we are not fans of payed developers in sugarlabs, but I think that it could have a big strategic impact to contract someone for the next 6 months
:'''<tomeu>''' so we have a much better 0.84 release
:'''<tomeu>''' if 0.84 really rocks, we'll have an easier road next year
:'''<walter>''' I know this is a controversial issue, but we need the horses and the long-term interest of some of our partners, e.g., OLPC, is not development.
:'''<dfarning>''' Yes, I agree will walters last statement. In fact his main focus should be engaging statkeholders
:'''<walter>''' I think there are any number of groups that would be willing to help us help them.
:'''<tomeu>''' yes, I see countries and other organizations as the future of development resourcing
:'''<bernieXO>''' yes, we should make sure Sugar Labs doesn't become the main source of developers, but sponsoring one or two for 6 months would be fine
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, I'm advocating for something like a "strategic exception"
:'''<walter>''' I was looking into a plan, for example, for the WB to fund the development of SME tools based on Sugar that would advance their mission of fostering local entrepreneurship
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:'''<tomeu>''' supporting past releases is draining lots of development resources
:'''<bernieXO>''' the Linux Foundation also sponsor a few "random" kernel hackers
:'''<walter>''' They have offered to help with Events...
:'''<walter>''' (Greg: we should talk about this offline)
:'''<gregdek>''' walter: Happy to.
:'''<walter>''' But we need more help in development sooner than later and unfortunately, outside of our control, some people are being pulled off the project...
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: who are the developers in this packistani team?
:'''<tomeu>''' or redirected to non-sugar stuff
:'''<walter>''' We'll need to have the resources to guarantee some level of stability
:'''<walter>''' in some cases, redirected, in some cases, contracts not renewed.
:'''<walter>''' But we could, for example, channel some of these resources to help build up some of the fledgling teams in places like Pakistan
:'''<tomeu>''' I wouldn't mind to spend some times on those places
:'''<tomeu>''' helping build the team
:'''<tomeu>''' but the recruiting job may be a hard one
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: you know I'd love to do it, don't you?
:'''<tomeu>''' we have two people in the travel committee ;)
:'''<walter>''' I think we an count on locals to find talent--we'll have to help bring them up to speed.
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: although I'm afraid I didn't have much luck hiring new sugar hackers in kathmandu...
:'''<walter>''' And I can work with these groups to find money to support them and the help.
:'''<bernieXO>''' I think this is exactly what we'd need at this time
:'''<walter>''' As Bernie points out, there is not guaranteed to be critical mass of talent everywhere, but we need to start somewhere.
:'''<walter>''' I think Pakistan and India are good places to try.
:'''<walter>''' So I have been working on some joint proposals.
:'''<walter>''' What should be the process of vetting a proposal that commits Sugar Labs to something or asks for a Sugar Labs endorsement?
:'''<bernieXO>''' but if we succed in creating a team outside USA/Europe, it would be doubly as worthwile
:'''<gregdek>''' walter: Discuss it in a board meeting and vote if need be?
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: good question...
* gregdek is wary of creating process before it proves to be necessary...
:'''<walter>''' The other thing I have been working on is corporate money. I am meeting with Chuck next week to spend a day on a fundrasing roadmap/strategy
:'''<walter>''' I will have a few different proposals pulled together over the next few weeks. I'll circulate them to the OB, I suppose.
:'''<marcopg_>''' approval by the board sounds good to me for endorsement
:'''<tomeu>''' after some discussion in the mailing lists, I guess
:'''<walter>''' There is an issue with public discussion of some proposals...
:'''<walter>''' Maybe I can generalize them--remove the names--for the mailing list discussion?
:'''<tomeu>''' I think the broad community can give input on broad strategy and policy
:'''<bernieXO>''' sure
:'''<walter>''' I think the ideas can and should be public. But the details of whom and where are perhaps more sensitive?
:'''<tomeu>''' concrete proposals may be a different thing
:'''<walter>''' OK. will do.
:'''<tomeu>''' sure, that everybody can understand
:'''<walter>''' So, plan on a report from the finance committee at the next meeting.
:'''<walter>''' One more detail re committees and the like. OK to reappoint Bert as Ombudsman?
:'''<dfarning>''' yes
:'''<tomeu>''' if he's interested, yeah
:'''<walter>''' I think he is... but I'll confirm.
:'''<walter>''' I don't think it has been a burden to date, but I think it is good to have someone in that role.
:'''<tomeu>''' agreed
:'''<walter>''' Another bit of admisnitrivia: SFC
:'''<bernieXO>''' have we been officially endorsed yet?
:'''<walter>''' Karen has been out much of the summer due to a medical issue so things have gone very very slowly.
:'''<walter>''' I am trying to get the final draft of the agreement for the board to sign.
:'''<walter>''' It is not in any significant way different from what we discussed in Milan, but...
:'''<walter>''' As soon as I get their sign off, we'll circulate it for your signatures.
:'''<tomeu>''' walter: do you anticipate any problem?
:'''<walter>''' (Originally, the acting board was going to sign it.)
:'''<walter>''' I don't there is a problem... just that Karen has been out.
:'''<walter>''' I spoke with them briefly yesterday and they seem to still be enthusiastic about out joining.
:'''<tomeu>''' ok, hope this goes forward
:'''<bernieXO>''' cool
:'''<walter>''' Yes. I have been in limbo re fundraising because of it, for one.
:'''<walter>''' (and I thought the pope got rid of limbo at Vatican II)
:'''<dfarning>''' I'm willing to be point of contact to SFC so walter can move on to other issues
:'''<tomeu>''' sounds good, like OLPC has been doing with laptop.org
:'''<erikos>''' sugarlabs.org ;p
* gregdek wanders afk.
:'''<bernieXO>''' how about the second server?
:'''<dfarning>''' I can tie the email address as a part of membership
:'''<marcopg_>''' dfarning: +1
:'''<bernieXO>''' or would we want to let people go and discuss it only with interested parties?
:'''<dfarning>''' will report next meeting
:'''<erikos>''' and a t-shirt ;p
:'''<tomeu>''' would be now a good time (before we get seriously into 0.84) to migrate more stuff to sugarlabs machines?
:'''<bernieXO>''' dfarning: ok thanks
:'''<bernieXO>''' tomeu: the lists, at least
:'''<erikos>''' well we need the machine up as far as i know to host git as well
:'''<bernieXO>''' erikos: the second machine was going to host user shell accounts, secondary services, backups, and such
:'''<bernieXO>''' for now, develer is still providing these things
:'''<erikos>''' bernieXO, yup - we should make it a solid solution before announcing it
:'''<erikos>''' bernieXO, but i am confident we will have the second machine soon ;p
:'''<dfarning>''' could someone update http://sugarlabs.org/go/InfrastructureTeam I have lost track
:'''<marcopg_>''' dfarning: I don't think it's out of sync
:'''<bernieXO>''' dfarning: can't do it quickly, my laptop just dropped dead
:'''<marcopg_>''' dfarning: we just don't have all the services setup yet
:'''<marcopg_>''' dfarning: and we are looking for a second box
:'''<walter>''' I just posed Christian's sketches: http://sugarlabs.org/go/UITeam/Logo-ideas#Christian.27s_take_on_this_theme
:'''<walter>''' BTW, AMD has offered us a box; just taking time to materialize
:'''<marcopg_>''' I don't like the colors :)
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, don't like the colors neither
:'''<walter>''' The colors can change... just like XO colors
:'''<walter>''' I like the orange we saw in Milan
:'''<walter>''' He is going to give me an SVG so we can play with the colors.
:'''<marcopg_>''' +1 for the orange :)
:'''<gregdek>''' Logotype, eh?
:'''<gregdek>''' -1 to Christian!
:'''<walter>''' But what I like about it is that it is thematically related, but not another abstract icon
:'''<gregdek>''' I like the sucker.
:'''<bernieXO>''' haha
:'''<bernieXO>''' with the light bulb superimposed :)
:'''<tomeu>''' hmm, don't know if I didn't liked more the italian logos
:'''<tomeu>''' but the colors are important and can be changed, yeah
:'''<walter>''' I liked the logos Luca did for us, but I was never comfortable introducing yet another icon...
:'''<walter>''' there was still too much of a distance to associate it with Sugar Labs.
:'''<gregdek>''' I'm kidding. I really don't care.
:'''<walter>''' We need to be a bit more blatant with getting our name out there.
:'''<gregdek>''' The mark doesn't matter. It's the experience that the mark provides.
:'''<cjb`>''' Hi all, sorry I'm so late. Catching up now.
:'''<walter>''' If we were as famous as Prince (or the artist formerly know as Prince) we could use an icon.
:'''<cjl>''' It needs to look cool on schwag. There is an art to that.
:'''<walter>''' Or random Unicode codepoint...
:'''<gregdek>''' Maybe we could get some treatments of the logotype in common usage?
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:'''<cjb>''' walter: Very happy to hear about reaching out to educators/deployments -- my first thought on seeing the board was "wow, this is a lot of programmers" :)
:'''<walter>''' I really like: U0E5B ๛
:'''<bernieXO>''' a key?
:'''<gregdek>''' Is our agenda mostly done, btw?
:'''<walter>''' It is a Thai character for end of chapter... but Sugar Labs is a beginning, not an end...
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to raise one more topic
:'''<bernieXO>''' walter: so reverse it!
:'''<walter>''' I had a long conversation with a group in Toronto yesterday about accessibility
:'''<walter>''' They'd like Sugar Labs to participate in a proposal and it has far reach... into Linux/Gnome/and various deployments.
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:'''<walter>''' Not really much to discuss here, except to raise it as an issue to ask how we might recruit someone who could liaison between Sugar and the accessibility community
:'''<walter>''' They have some nice ideas and we have a great platform
:'''<walter>''' they are interested in our embedded efforts too, as they are interested in mobile accessibility
:'''<gregdek>''' Are they adding resources?
:'''<walter>''' In theory, yes.
:'''<cjb>''' walter: might that be David Bolter's group?
:'''<gregdek>''' Then I'm all for it. :)
:'''<walter>''' This is Jutta's group at UT. I think David Bolter is involved.
:'''<cjb>''' (He runs gok, which is GNOME's on-screen keyboard, and does a lot of behind the scenes accessibility stuff.)
:'''<cjb>''' Cool.
:'''<walter>''' I am meeting their Brasilian partners next week...
:'''<walter>''' I think this is something we should follow/participate in.
:'''<walter>''' Apparently, accessibility is going to be part of the Brasil olpc bid.
:'''<gregdek>''' I've got a Fedora ambassador who is doing grad studies on OLPC and leads Fedora ambassadors in South America. Very motivated. Should we throw him into that mix?
:'''<walter>''' Sure. I meet them next Thursday morning in Cambridge.
:'''<walter>''' Any one want to take the lead on this theme? Or should I develop it a bit further first?
:'''<gregdek>''' I'd kind of like to know more.
:'''<walter>''' No takers? OK.
:'''<walter>''' One final topic: next meeting date
:'''<walter>''' How about in two weeks?
* NerdyNipple-f169 (n=urk@wireless-232.fi.muni.cz) has joined #sugar-meeting
* NerdyNipple-f169 is now known as BernieXO
:'''<gregdek>''' Two weeks works for me.
:'''<walter>''' Same time, same channel?
:'''<dfarning>''' sounds good
:'''<walter>''' I'll post today's log/minutes in the wiki...
:'''<tomeu>''' yeah, good for me
:'''<cjb>''' works great. I'll be on time for that one, sorry again. Pesky developer's sleep schedule.
:'''<erikos>''' thanks!
:'''<walter>''' OK. Thanks for participating today...
:'''<marcopg_>''' thanks!
:'''<tomeu>''' one more small thing:
:'''<walter>''' sure
:'''<tomeu>''' how is the OB going to communicate between them outside the irc meetings?
:'''<walter>''' Bernie, can you make a list?
:'''<BernieXO>''' cjb: hay man!
:'''<BernieXO>''' walter: sure
:'''<BernieXO>''' walter: overseers@lists.sugarlabs.org?
:'''<walter>''' but I think the private comm. will be minimal. Sugar and iaep seem to be the right forums for most things.
:'''<cjl>''' walter on accessibility, there are some local folks possibly worth talking to http://ncam.wgbh.org/bp/index.html
:'''<walter>''' how about simply ob@
:'''<walter>''' clj: I'll check it out.
* BernieXO likes c.scott's policy of forwarding all email he receives in private to the lists (unless REALLY confidential)
:'''<BernieXO>''' walter: ok... or board@
:'''<cjl>''' walter, mchua is also someone to drag into that issue.
:'''<BernieXO>''' no, ob@ is better, we might have multiple boards
:'''<davidb>''' walter: please see if you can get someone to 'wear the sugar accessibility hat'
:'''<BernieXO>''' cjl: sure... she also vounteered to be a bug master some time ago...
:'''<BernieXO>''' cjl: we should enroll her if she's still willing and available, once we have the bug tracker set up
:'''<walter>''' davidb: I'll find someone to be the champion...
:'''<davidb>''' awesome
:'''<cjl>''' She didn't really get to do the accessibility stuff she had planned for ILXO (as far as I know), it's an impt issue to her.
:'''<dfarning>''' I'll look into accessibility this week, might need to pass it off next meeting
:'''<walter>''' So, meeting adjourned?