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2016-06-14 Video Call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLWvPV8jrI
2016-06-14 Video Call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLWvPV8jrI
Laura's pre-meeting text:
This is an archive of Revision 8 of https://titanpad.com/SLVision
## Laura's pre-meeting text:
I believe this is a vision, we can all share> why we made SN?
I believe this is a vision, we can all share> why we made SN?
Facilitating the access to the net communication exchange services directly from the OS, as SN does, facilitates the knowledge exchange among children-users to actually happen.
Facilitating the access to the net communication exchange services directly from the OS, as SN does, facilitates the knowledge exchange among children-users to actually happen.
Call Minutes:
## Call Summary:
### What are the important things Sugar Labs should make?
Sean suggested 4 things which DC phrases as:
- installable software, so its easy to try out and to use
- stable software, so nothing crashes
- lesson plans. so any adult can cultivate the education Sugar is designed to encourage
- active user community, so any one can get help
### Should we support the XO-1?
#### No:
The Browse activity is fundementally broken: We can't use old browsers (webkit v1) on modern websites, and that hardware isn't powerful enough for new browsers and modern websites either; the latest v8 JavaScript JIT compiler doesn't work well with the exotic x86 chip on the XO-1.
All the XOs require specially crafted Linux kernels, and OLPC doesn't have up to date versions so OLPC OS is stuck with Fedora 18. New versions of GTK are blocked on the kernel - it seems - and this turns away developers. Its not fine! ;)
As Fedora gets newer, it will work less well on the XO-1, assuming more resources than the XO-1 has, even if the kernel is updated. Would Puppy work better than Fedora going forwards, as it is something intended for ultra low power computers?
#### Yes:
The XO is still exciting: Its why Eli and I were excited to join Sugar Labs this year, as we have our own XOs, and that it is not a powerful computer is not a problem, it is way more powerful than an Apple Macintosh from the 80s (which cost $20,000+ back then)
Few people are using Sugar without an XO, there seem to be 10,000s of kids using XO-1s on a weekly basis, based on the ASLO stats, and high 100s (?) using it on a generic computer.
Its easy to get an XO-1 on ebay as a developer.
Its sad that the kernel work has ended up being painted into a corner because OLPC didnt upstream stuff (?) and we are stuck with kernel on a private fork, stuck on fedora 18, stuck on old GTK versions, but it isn't the end of the world. Its fine! We just need to be clear that in 2016 that is what you have to write against, and make it easy to do so.
CentOS v7 will be supported until 2020, so making a image with the crafted kernel and CentOS v7 packages could be ideal. Or perhaps it could target puppylinux or something that is 'old school' and will never do Network Manager, systemd, etc? http://puppylinux.org https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE
But all mainstream distros will stop support for x86 in 2020, so that will be the EOL date, and we should plan for that.
ACTION ITEM: Dave will talk with Leah at OLPC on Thursday, and ask what their goals are for the next few years, when they will end support for XO-1s, and what they would advise in the scenario that we break Sugar for XOs in the 0.110 release, etc
### What is the reference hardware for the 0.110 release, if it is not the XO-1?
Let's select a cheap chromebook that boots as a fedora sugar system, as there are a lot of choices. and we know that schools are buying chromebooks (they outsell apple these days.) Sugar Labs can buy some and offers to loan them to developers, and the sugarlabs.org website could even sell them direct. Before that, it can provide links to 3 vendors to buy a specific SKU from, and clear instructions on how to get that machine up and running with Sugar.
Then the Sugar developer community can get it really working on this machine for 0.110.
We should not pick XOs or Classmates, these are niche machines and hard to obtain.
We could pick a chromebook model from 1-3 years ago, and perhaps there are batches of 100s of them somewhere to buy cheaply.
ACTION ITEM: Walter is in Santiago de Chile this week promoting Sugar and will ask what people there suggest as a reference hardware device in 2016.
## Call Minutes:
Dave: Should we support the XO-1?
Dave: Should we support the XO-1?