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Revision as of 10:12, 26 November 2008
- <walter> Hello.
- <icarito> hi!
- <walter> We start the deployment meeting in 20 minutes?
- <BryanWB> walter, hey!
- <icarito> i'm free, sure - we thought it was 40 min ago
- <dirakx> walter: yes np
- <walter> Oh my. Because of US daylight savings time ending, I am calculating UTC wrong.
- <walter> My sincere apologies.
- <icarito> walter: no problem, lets have the meeting in 20 min
- <walter> I need to update the Google calendar as well, which is set to 10am EST
- <walter> OK, Let us get started then.
- <walter> To me there is a very exciting prospect in the idea of local Sugar Labs.
- <walter> Everywhere I have traveled lately, there is interest in building a local group.
- <walter> David and I have been putting together a set of broad goals in the wiki.
- <icarito> oh, meeting now then?
- <icarito> ok
- <dirakx> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Regional_Sugar_Labs
- <walter> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Regional_Sugar_Labs
- <walter> @dirakx: you type too fast
- <dirakx> walter: haha not at all.
- <walter> I have a group in India that is willing help develop a business plan
- <dirakx> walter: have all the legal issues being resolved ?
- <walter> No. But I think they are minimum.
- <dirakx> i mean for starters, i guess there is no problem in printing presentation cards ?
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- <walter> No problem with that.
- <dirakx> ok ;)
- <walter> What I would like to do is build a collective understanding and framework for how this would work.
- <dirakx> it's stupid but that kind of things seems to be important to people.
- <dirakx> yep icarito and i are concerned about making a model for a local sugar labs also.
- <dirakx> we have some ideas about communities of practice for example..
- <walter> My hope is both autonomy and collaboration
- <dirakx> distribution also ;)
- <walter> I hope that there is an entrepreneurial spirit that emerges
- <walter> This should be self-sustaining for each local lab
- <icarito> yes, as dirakx said, we've been working on a model for a local community
- <dirakx> walter: for example we are trying that in here..but it was too difficult because our status of volunteers.
- <BryanWB> hmm, regarding autonomy. There are a lot of developers interested in OLPC here in Nepal but they are all web developers
- <BryanWB> we need to make it easier for web developers to create activities
- <BryanWB> they only have a few hours a week between their jobs, kids, and parents
- <walter> Each region should have its own passion... perhaps in Nepal Bryan has identified a local goal or mission
- <BryanWB> marcopg wrote about making it easier to create activities using web technologies a few weeks ago
- <walter> But I hope that the local Sugar Lab can be their job.. at least for some
- <dirakx> that's the idea..
- <walter> Can we help them start a service business, for example?
- <icarito> we have a model for providing services and some dev around sugar deployments as a non profit
- <BryanWB> walter, I think we can, esp. if we make it easy to create activities
- <icarito> and i'm talking with a province here to help them migrate 200 regular computer labs to sugar
- <walter> That is why I think it is important to establish some strawman business plans for the local groups
- <dirakx> but as SL can we charge for services?
- <BryanWB> walter, we get requests all the time build activities for specific niches
- <walter> I think that a local SL can be non-profit or for-profit--their choice--but in either case, there should not be an issue with charging for services.
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- <icarito> walter: perhaps a couple of models could be proposed
- <walter> Free speech, not free beer.
- <walter> Yes.
- <icarito> there certainly is a market for consulting, integration, training and even development
- <walter> the models should meet the local needs and conditions.
- <walter> But we need to seed the process.
- <BryanWB> I think a model could be that a local SL could charge for consulting, integration, training, etc. but they release their work under an appropriate open-source license
- <walter> +1
- <dirakx> yes..i think in Colombia's case there is no problem to do a foundation that can charge for services.
- <walter> We should all agree to what the basic rules are and I think Bryan identified a key one.
- <icarito> each local sugarlabs should adapt and "appropiate" the model to the local reality
- <walter> yes.
- <walter> So the question is how can the collective SL help get this started
- <dirakx> but how could be the relationship between for example SL Colombia or Peru and SL USA ?
- <icarito> walter: yes BryanWB identified a core principle - we shuold make those prominent
- <walter> We all share the same code, the same ethics, the same goal
- <dirakx> mm ok.
- <icarito> i very much liked greg's comment that in large decentralized organizations "values are the organization"
- <walter> But the means to that goal will vary from place to place
- <BryanWB> i think standardizing on a license for code and one for content would be a good start
- <BryanWB> to make sure they are compatible b/w regional SL's
- <walter> Yes. What else should we standardize on?
- <dirakx> the kind of services that can be given ?
- <BryanWB> that's hard, different places need different services
- <dirakx> hmm ok.
- <walter> Anything necessary to help a deployment: localization, networks, activity develpment
- <walter> workshops
- <BryanWB> we do some electrical work, for example. connecting schools to power grid
- <walter> manuals/materials
- <walter> training trainers...
- <walter> and broadening the scope of the FOSS community as an economic force in the region
- <dirakx> that sounds cool.
- <walter> So let us make a list on the wiki and also a list of principles
- <icarito> ...local organizations may have broader goals, for instance, in supporting/compatible areas like connectivity and providing open content...?
- <icarito> that makes me wonder where a regional sl starts and where it ends...
- <walter> and again, consider how the global community can help the leaves of the tree
- <walter> Does it really matter where the boundaries are?
- <dirakx> so i guess..we share same goals and licenses.
- <dirakx> icarito: that goals are implicit by the main goal.
- <BryanWB> it only matters when different countries have sufficiently distinct educational priorities
- <BryanWB> for example, Austria is really interested in doing novel kinds of education w/ the XO's
- <walter> Which is why we need a regional approach
- <BryanWB> while poorer countries are struggling to meet basic literacy . . .
- <walter> But we share a common platform and hopefully a great discovery in Austria re literacy can help NEpal.
- <BryanWB> definitely
- <walter> And vice versa
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- <walter> But we need to make sure that the local groups are sustainable...
- <walter> I want to create jobs.
- <dirakx> :)..that's really thinking in a distributed way.
- <walter> Which is why we need some help wth creating business models.
- <Gregorio> my advice is to find one and do one well, then generalize from t here
- <BryanWB> the key to creating jobs is to make it dead easy to create activities
- <icarito> in fuentelibre's goals is exploring a replicable, escalable model
- <Gregorio> too much overhead up front may make it slower to get started
- <icarito> fuentelibre is finishing up its statutes
- <walter> I think Eben is here to start a design meeting on this channel...
- <icarito> and will be formally constituted sometime next week we hope
- <eben> indeed. :)
- <icarito> i'll share our mission and goals and model
- <walter> @Gregorio: +1
- <eben> We can postpone a little as necessary, of course.
- <dirakx> so here is the quiestion can we legally begin to make local sugar labs ?
- <BryanWB> a fuller activity template w/ stubs for lesson plan, game play, and review would help a lot
- <walter> Maybe we can all add to the wiki and then meet again in a week?
- <walter> I just made a one-page slide on Sugar Labs, globally.
- <BryanWB> sure
- <icarito> sure
- <dirakx> oj
- <dirakx> ok
- <walter> http://sugarlabs.org/wiki/images/3/3a/Sugarlabs-onepager.odp
- <walter> maybe the goal for next week is a one page slide on Sugar Labs local?
- <tomeu> after we get lots of local sugarlabs, we'll need to start thinking about mobile sugarlabs ;)
- <walter> Shall we cede the channel to Eben?? and meet again next week (9am EST, 14 UTC)?
- <dirakx> fine ;)
- <walter> Again, my apologies for mixing up the times.
- <BryanWB> np
- <icarito> ok i'm clear - no problem
- <walter> OK. Thanks everyone.
- <dirakx> so next week same time.
- <walter> Yes.
- <dirakx> thx
- <BryanWB> tks