Karma:Meeting 09 Jun 2009

• Subzero having trouble doing animation
• Still thinks he can make Friday's deadline
• Should try to get a js expert to assist subzero, perhaps Chris Blizzard? Bryan will ask Walter to assist.
• Subzero to blog about challenges of using JavaScript for animation

IRC log

<BryanWB> subzero: hey dude! <-- satellit has quit ("Leaving") <subzero> iwikiwi: do you have news about your xo? <BryanWB> subzero: how are things? get your XO yet? <subzero> BryanWB: how are you? <BryanWB> subzero: good, busy <subzero> BryanWB: not yet. I got a tracking number <BryanWB> subzero: how is progress?

subzero: btw i can only talk for 40 minutes, then i have to go to the office

<subzero> BryanWB: it's hard to join animation with everything else :S <BryanWB> subzero: damn <subzero> BryanWB: ok <BryanWB> subzero: should we try to get additional assistance for you? <subzero> BryanWB: I think it's because. 1. there are no layers 2. how to run things in parallel <BryanWB> subzero: u can run webworkers in parallel

subzero: i wonder if we should contact chris blizzard

<subzero> BryanWB: a hand could be useful, jquery-dev? <BryanWB> subzero: maybe, i do believe that chris blizzard is working on webworkers for js in mozilla and he used to work at OLPC, maybe Walter could help <subzero> BryanWB: chris, I thin he is your friend, right? <BryanWB> subzero: but u should first blog about problems and then e-mail jquery-en and jquery-dev

subzero: my friend Chris probably doesn't know much about animation w/ js
subzero: mi amigo cristobal marin, distinto de chris blizzard, quien trabaja a mozilla
tony_f tomeu

<subzero> BryanWB: oh, I'm sorry about the confusion <BryanWB> tomeu: no te preocupes ;)

sorry ^^ for subzero
tony_f tomeu
tomeu: u in touch w/ cblizzard?

<subzero> so, should I write chris blizzard? <BryanWB> subzero: do u think u will make Friday's deadline? <subzero> I'll do my best <BryanWB> subzero: just do you most hackish best and get whatever is working onto karma.sugarlabs.org by Friday evening <subzero> BryanWB: yes, with a lot of troubles... but I'll have something (more or less) working

BryanWB: ok

<BryanWB> subzero: u r a talented guy. I am confident that u can get it working in a minimalist way by Friday

subzero: then take 30 minutes to write about it on the blog
subzero: it will be easier for others to help us once they see what we are trying to do

<bemasc> subzero: maybe worth asking questions in #firefox? <subzero> BryanWB: yes, thanks. <BryanWB> subzero: sorry i haven't been more helpful w/ the animation. This last week QA for E-Paath is kicking my butt <subzero> bemasc: mm, why not?, thanks! <subzero> BryanWB: don't worry man. while you put me in the right direction all will be right <BryanWB> subzero: are you at the point now where u would like to talk w/ an expert or do want to wait until after Friday?

subzero: we can see if Walter can connect us to Chris Blizzard, since jeresig hasn't responded to our requests

<subzero> BryanWB: btw, you're aiming unit testing for karma in the future, I like the idea <BryanWB> subzero: in the long-run yes

subzero: but almost as important is a really easy way to see what errors are in the build

<subzero> BryanWB: if it's possible talk with an expert <BryanWB> subzero: we have been doing some testing w/ E-Paath but hard to track if not output to a webpage

subzero: alright, i will e-mail walter once we're done

<subzero> BryanWB: ok!

BryanWB: btw, what do you think about backwards compatibility with sound?

<BryanWB> subzero: let's worry about backwards-compatibility later

subzero: let's get something working then make it robust
subzero: i think we should focus on <audio> for now and html5

<subzero> BryanWB: ok, so I'll be using the current code for <audio> (just ogg) <BryanWB> subzero: i am even more excited about html5 since the Palm Pre is taking off and google wave is built on top of it <subzero> BryanWB: yes, google wave seems really interesting <-- nubae has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <BryanWB> subzero: do u have more to say about animation challenges w/ js than what you wrote here http://karmaproject.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/animation-with-jquery/ ? <subzero> BryanWB: yes!, a lot more

BryanWB: new post?

<BryanWB> subzero: it would be best if u could write that up before we ask blizzard and/or jeresig for help <subzero> BryanWB: ok <BryanWB> subzero: "animation w/ js" is a very broad area

subzero: explaining our particular issues will make it easier for them to help

<subzero> BryanWB: so, are yous aying to reduce the area? <BryanWB> subzero: no, no, just explain problems u r having <subzero> BryanWB: ok <BryanWB> subzero: when u say animation w/ js, peolpe often think of 3D and highly complex stuff, not what we want --> nubae (n=nubae@91-113-91-126.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined #sugar

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<subzero> BryanWB: #firefox they're saying the same than you "web workers"

BryanWB: ooooh, that's right

<BryanWB> subzero: i believe webworkers is a W3C standards

subzero: and other browsers are implementing them

<subzero> BryanWB: I'm looking about official info.. <BryanWB> subzero: http://www.w3.org/TR/workers/ <subzero> BryanWB: man, you're faster than me :) <BryanWB> subzero: sorry dude, i remembered the url ;) <-- tony_f has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <BryanWB> subzero: looks like chrome will support them soon too http://m.cnet.com/site?sid=cnet&pid=News.Detail&category=2&topic=10251563

html5 has soo much momentum behind it, just amazes me

<dirakx> gcompris activities are heavely promoted to ASLO ..;) <subzero> BryanWB: webworkers seems that I'll use it <BryanWB> subzero: cool, so i have to go in a little bit

subzero: can u get a blog post out in the next couple hours about animation issues?  Please don't spend than 30 minutes on it
s/spend/spend more/

<subzero> BryanWB: yep

BryanWB: I'm on the way

<BryanWB> subzero: great, then I will e-mail walter and ask for help <subzero> BryanWB: excellent <BryanWB> subzero: anything else? <subzero> BryanWB: mmm, that's all I think <BryanWB> subzero: here are just quick notes http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma:Meeting_09_Jun_2009