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, 10:10, 1 October 2008New page: :'''<walter>''' Good morning everyone :'''<dirakx1>''' good morning ;) :'''<walter>''' Or afternoon to those of you on the other side of the Atlantic. :'''<walter>''' I have a few topic...
:'''<walter>''' Good morning everyone
:'''<dirakx1>''' good morning ;)
:'''<walter>''' Or afternoon to those of you on the other side of the Atlantic.
:'''<walter>''' I have a few topics for today: the Lima sprint; the small deployment guide; LiveUSB
:'''<walter>''' Are there other things people want to add?
* erikos can only listen sporadically, since he has another meeting next door
:'''<dirakx1>''' nope i have only some comments but nothing further to add.
:'''<walter>''' Shall we start with the Lima sprint?
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes.
:'''<walter>''' I spoke with Hernan last night. (I don't know if he can join us today)
:'''<walter>''' He said he could arrange a meeting room with internet access at the university.
:'''<walter>''' He may also be able to arrange some lodging
:'''<walter>''' We need to get back to him regarding dates and numbers
:'''<walter>''' (I still haven't looked into changing my flight--I better to that)
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok..i have his gmail contact..
:'''<dirakx1>''' which time do you have your flight?
:'''<dirakx1>''' time/date
:'''<walter>''' Presently, I am not scheduled to arrive in Lima until mid-week.
:'''<dirakx1>''' so like 23th october?
:'''<walter>''' 11PM on the 21st.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok..i'll make arrangements to book my flight to that also.
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to switch it to arriving Sunday night, the 19th, so we can use M/T to work
:'''<dirakx1>''' that date.
:'''<dirakx1>''' M/T ?
:'''<walter>''' There is a 3-day conference at the university beginning on Wednesday that I need to attend.
:'''<walter>''' So I though we could get started on Monday.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes the game jam!
* andresambrois (n=aa@r190-135-183-150.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) has joined #sugar-meeting
:'''<walter>''' The game jam and a FOSS meeting as well.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i've spoked to samuel. and olpc has offer to refund my tickets.
:'''<walter>''' Great.
:'''<walter>''' Will you be traveling from Colombia?
:'''<walter>''' Maybe they could sponsor Yama too?
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes.
:'''<walter>''' I think he could come if someone could take care of his travel.
:'''<dirakx1>''' olpc is going to sponsor also sebastian silva from chile.
:'''<walter>''' Great. All for the game jam too?
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah!
:'''<dirakx1>''' i don't know yama.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'll have to ask
:'''<walter>''' So it sounds like 5-6 people for the book jam?
:'''<walter>''' Yama is in Bolivia.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes like 5-6 people.
:'''<walter>''' I'll let Hernan know and I'll try to move my ticket to fly on Sunday.
:'''<walter>''' I'll ask Hernan to recommend lodging.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok i can do that also.
:'''<dirakx1>''' fine..copy me on that if you can.
:'''<dirakx1>''' so we have to divide time between the jam/conf and the book sprint..
:'''<walter>''' Maybe you and I can spend a few minutes with the flossmanual translation tools before hand
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah that would be ok.
:'''<walter>''' Adam Hyde may be able to walk us through the process.
:'''<dirakx1>''' perfect
:'''<walter>''' I'll ping Adam and ask when a good time to do it would be.
:'''<dirakx1>''' nice.
:'''<dirakx1>''' do you know if other besides olpc can sponsor yama to come to Peru?
:'''<walter>''' Also, we should see if we can recruit a few locals to participate.
:'''<walter>''' I'm working on raising money for such things, but I don't have any yet.
:'''<cjb>''' Morning all.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i have received some mails from local devs, so i guess they'll join us also.
:'''<dirakx1>''' cjb: morning
:'''<dirakx1>''' walter: ok
:'''<walter>''' I'll also ping Carla to see if she may be able to join us. (She couldn't attend today's meeting as she is in the air)
:'''<dirakx1>''' i can contact claudia urrea..to meet us next time, she is in the learning team also.
:'''<walter>''' Claudia is running a workshop in Venezuela this month, I think. But for Schlumberger, not OLPC.
:'''<walter>''' But it would be great if she could join us too.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok.
:'''<walter>''' So maybe I should ask Hernan for a room big enough for 10 people.
:'''<dirakx1>''' that seems fine to me. i guess the uni will have one to suit our needs.
:'''<dirakx1>''' any more issues related to the peru conf?
:'''<walter>''' Not that I can think of. I've written to Adam to see if there are any issues re the tools.
* aa has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
:'''<walter>''' We could try to do some prep work if people have time--generating some screen shots, etc.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah that's fine.
:'''<walter>''' My second topic is more of a question: how do we light a fire under the small deployment guide?
:'''<dirakx1>''' walter: i've pinged the educators and some pedagogical institutions about that..
:'''<walter>''' It was very clear from the Open Minds conference I attended that lots of people are interested in Sugar (and OLPC), but they don't know how to get stated.
:'''<dirakx1>''' but not much of retroalimentation yet.
:'''<walter>''' A simple step-by-step guide would be of great utility.
:'''<walter>''' I am going to try to walk a Boston public school through the process of converting a computer lab using USB keys.
:'''<walter>''' I'll try to document the process in detail.
:'''<dirakx1>''' but why can't they get started?..or what were their issues regarding to that?.
:'''<walter>''' I really believe making that as easy and painless as possible is key to their willingness to try the more ambitious deployments of laptops.
:'''<dirakx1>''' regarding live usb's that would be of great help..
:'''<walter>''' The laptop deployment is easier, because everything is prepackaged and in a known state.
:'''<walter>''' the random computer lab with a random configuration of hardware, software, and network is probably impossible
:'''<walter>''' but we'll give it a try--because the teachers are willing to take such a risk.
:'''<dirakx1>''' in a workshop we had in colombia the situation was solved working with live cds..
:'''<walter>''' but the Live USB situation is anything but stable yet.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah, i guess we need to put more work into that.
:'''<walter>''' LiveCD is great for a demo or a workshop, but not a real trial, unless there is some trick to saving user data
:'''<walter>''' DId you use the Ubuntu LiveCD? With the old Sugar bits?
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah that's the problem ..
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes..
:'''<dirakx1>''' IIRC
:'''<walter>''' The Boston trial is interesting because they want the kids to run Sugar at home too.
:'''<walter>''' The same USB key would move the data back and forth and they are very excited about having a jabber connection for the kids at home.
:'''<dirakx1>''' wow..that's cool we can extract info of great value there.
:'''<walter>''' But we are still not quite there in terms of packaging. I think we'll need to do a lot of fine-tuning, which we can document and hopefully learn from.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok...i'm going to take a note of that ;).
:'''<dirakx1>''' i've done a little work on debian packaging but there is a lot of work to do in that field.
:'''<dirakx1>''' but back into the small deployment discussion..
:'''<walter>''' One important thing to capture are all the roadblocks people are experiencing so that we can begin to address them.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'm expecting some retroalimentation about the work that has been happening in the field in Colombia by a pedagogical foundation.
:'''<walter>''' I've heard many, but haven't done a good job of writing them down.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'm expecting that educators can help on that...but i think that they are not to much adjusted to wikis and irc maybe?
:'''<walter>''' Some of it is pedagogical, but most is bureaucratic.
:'''<walter>''' Yes. We need the educators' input.
:'''<dirakx1>''' bureaucratic in what sense?.
:'''<walter>''' Not wanting to change anything on the computers they already have...
:'''<dirakx1>''' ah..ok.
:'''<dirakx1>''' that's bad.
:'''<walter>''' It is what makes LiveUSB so attractive. But it is an imperfect solution.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes, so far.
* andresambrois is now known as aa
:'''<dirakx1>''' so we need to put work into that ;).
:'''<walter>''' Greg and the Fedora team is making some progress and I think Morgan is back on the case with Ubuntu...
:'''<dirakx1>''' cool.
:'''<dirakx1>''' so..a conclusion of the meeting could be that we have to wait and keep on trying for a better feedback?.
:'''<walter>''' While we are waiting, we should be gathering data regarding potential pitfalls.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah..
:'''<dirakx1>''' one pitfall is that lack of understanding of communication tools..
:'''<dirakx1>''' for example IRC and wikis.
:'''<dirakx1>''' so we can start from that.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'll put some notes on the small deployment page related to that
:'''<walter>''' OK.
:'''<walter>''' Anything else for today?
:'''<walter>''' You had some comments?
:'''<dirakx1>''' and i'll keep on pinging about feedback...and some more deeply involved besides OLPC-sur
:'''<dirakx1>''' one positive thing is that we are seeing more involvement on the OLPC-sur mailist related to teachers..so that's good.
:'''<walter>''' Yes. OLPC-Sur has been a great resource.
:'''<dirakx1>''' we will see...i think we need more time to socialize ideas and communication.
:'''<dirakx1>''' but a key subject is that the educators need to use some other resources to share their ideas.
:'''<dirakx1>''' more conferences like openmind are needed!
:'''<dirakx1>''' that's all :).
:'''<walter>''' OK. I did hear back from Adam and he can help us get started. Also, I just got my flight switched to the 20th.
:'''<walter>''' I mean the 19th.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'll book my flight to 19th also, then.
:'''<walter>''' I'll let Hernan know and be back in touch about the Lima details.
:'''<dirakx1>''' walter: great thanks.
:'''<walter>''' OK. Talk to you all later.
:'''<dirakx1>''' bye all.
:'''<dirakx1>''' good morning ;)
:'''<walter>''' Or afternoon to those of you on the other side of the Atlantic.
:'''<walter>''' I have a few topics for today: the Lima sprint; the small deployment guide; LiveUSB
:'''<walter>''' Are there other things people want to add?
* erikos can only listen sporadically, since he has another meeting next door
:'''<dirakx1>''' nope i have only some comments but nothing further to add.
:'''<walter>''' Shall we start with the Lima sprint?
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes.
:'''<walter>''' I spoke with Hernan last night. (I don't know if he can join us today)
:'''<walter>''' He said he could arrange a meeting room with internet access at the university.
:'''<walter>''' He may also be able to arrange some lodging
:'''<walter>''' We need to get back to him regarding dates and numbers
:'''<walter>''' (I still haven't looked into changing my flight--I better to that)
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok..i have his gmail contact..
:'''<dirakx1>''' which time do you have your flight?
:'''<dirakx1>''' time/date
:'''<walter>''' Presently, I am not scheduled to arrive in Lima until mid-week.
:'''<dirakx1>''' so like 23th october?
:'''<walter>''' 11PM on the 21st.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok..i'll make arrangements to book my flight to that also.
:'''<walter>''' I'd like to switch it to arriving Sunday night, the 19th, so we can use M/T to work
:'''<dirakx1>''' that date.
:'''<dirakx1>''' M/T ?
:'''<walter>''' There is a 3-day conference at the university beginning on Wednesday that I need to attend.
:'''<walter>''' So I though we could get started on Monday.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes the game jam!
* andresambrois (n=aa@r190-135-183-150.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) has joined #sugar-meeting
:'''<walter>''' The game jam and a FOSS meeting as well.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i've spoked to samuel. and olpc has offer to refund my tickets.
:'''<walter>''' Great.
:'''<walter>''' Will you be traveling from Colombia?
:'''<walter>''' Maybe they could sponsor Yama too?
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes.
:'''<walter>''' I think he could come if someone could take care of his travel.
:'''<dirakx1>''' olpc is going to sponsor also sebastian silva from chile.
:'''<walter>''' Great. All for the game jam too?
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah!
:'''<dirakx1>''' i don't know yama.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'll have to ask
:'''<walter>''' So it sounds like 5-6 people for the book jam?
:'''<walter>''' Yama is in Bolivia.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes like 5-6 people.
:'''<walter>''' I'll let Hernan know and I'll try to move my ticket to fly on Sunday.
:'''<walter>''' I'll ask Hernan to recommend lodging.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok i can do that also.
:'''<dirakx1>''' fine..copy me on that if you can.
:'''<dirakx1>''' so we have to divide time between the jam/conf and the book sprint..
:'''<walter>''' Maybe you and I can spend a few minutes with the flossmanual translation tools before hand
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah that would be ok.
:'''<walter>''' Adam Hyde may be able to walk us through the process.
:'''<dirakx1>''' perfect
:'''<walter>''' I'll ping Adam and ask when a good time to do it would be.
:'''<dirakx1>''' nice.
:'''<dirakx1>''' do you know if other besides olpc can sponsor yama to come to Peru?
:'''<walter>''' Also, we should see if we can recruit a few locals to participate.
:'''<walter>''' I'm working on raising money for such things, but I don't have any yet.
:'''<cjb>''' Morning all.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i have received some mails from local devs, so i guess they'll join us also.
:'''<dirakx1>''' cjb: morning
:'''<dirakx1>''' walter: ok
:'''<walter>''' I'll also ping Carla to see if she may be able to join us. (She couldn't attend today's meeting as she is in the air)
:'''<dirakx1>''' i can contact claudia urrea..to meet us next time, she is in the learning team also.
:'''<walter>''' Claudia is running a workshop in Venezuela this month, I think. But for Schlumberger, not OLPC.
:'''<walter>''' But it would be great if she could join us too.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok.
:'''<walter>''' So maybe I should ask Hernan for a room big enough for 10 people.
:'''<dirakx1>''' that seems fine to me. i guess the uni will have one to suit our needs.
:'''<dirakx1>''' any more issues related to the peru conf?
:'''<walter>''' Not that I can think of. I've written to Adam to see if there are any issues re the tools.
* aa has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
:'''<walter>''' We could try to do some prep work if people have time--generating some screen shots, etc.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah that's fine.
:'''<walter>''' My second topic is more of a question: how do we light a fire under the small deployment guide?
:'''<dirakx1>''' walter: i've pinged the educators and some pedagogical institutions about that..
:'''<walter>''' It was very clear from the Open Minds conference I attended that lots of people are interested in Sugar (and OLPC), but they don't know how to get stated.
:'''<dirakx1>''' but not much of retroalimentation yet.
:'''<walter>''' A simple step-by-step guide would be of great utility.
:'''<walter>''' I am going to try to walk a Boston public school through the process of converting a computer lab using USB keys.
:'''<walter>''' I'll try to document the process in detail.
:'''<dirakx1>''' but why can't they get started?..or what were their issues regarding to that?.
:'''<walter>''' I really believe making that as easy and painless as possible is key to their willingness to try the more ambitious deployments of laptops.
:'''<dirakx1>''' regarding live usb's that would be of great help..
:'''<walter>''' The laptop deployment is easier, because everything is prepackaged and in a known state.
:'''<walter>''' the random computer lab with a random configuration of hardware, software, and network is probably impossible
:'''<walter>''' but we'll give it a try--because the teachers are willing to take such a risk.
:'''<dirakx1>''' in a workshop we had in colombia the situation was solved working with live cds..
:'''<walter>''' but the Live USB situation is anything but stable yet.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah, i guess we need to put more work into that.
:'''<walter>''' LiveCD is great for a demo or a workshop, but not a real trial, unless there is some trick to saving user data
:'''<walter>''' DId you use the Ubuntu LiveCD? With the old Sugar bits?
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah that's the problem ..
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes..
:'''<dirakx1>''' IIRC
:'''<walter>''' The Boston trial is interesting because they want the kids to run Sugar at home too.
:'''<walter>''' The same USB key would move the data back and forth and they are very excited about having a jabber connection for the kids at home.
:'''<dirakx1>''' wow..that's cool we can extract info of great value there.
:'''<walter>''' But we are still not quite there in terms of packaging. I think we'll need to do a lot of fine-tuning, which we can document and hopefully learn from.
:'''<dirakx1>''' ok...i'm going to take a note of that ;).
:'''<dirakx1>''' i've done a little work on debian packaging but there is a lot of work to do in that field.
:'''<dirakx1>''' but back into the small deployment discussion..
:'''<walter>''' One important thing to capture are all the roadblocks people are experiencing so that we can begin to address them.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'm expecting some retroalimentation about the work that has been happening in the field in Colombia by a pedagogical foundation.
:'''<walter>''' I've heard many, but haven't done a good job of writing them down.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'm expecting that educators can help on that...but i think that they are not to much adjusted to wikis and irc maybe?
:'''<walter>''' Some of it is pedagogical, but most is bureaucratic.
:'''<walter>''' Yes. We need the educators' input.
:'''<dirakx1>''' bureaucratic in what sense?.
:'''<walter>''' Not wanting to change anything on the computers they already have...
:'''<dirakx1>''' ah..ok.
:'''<dirakx1>''' that's bad.
:'''<walter>''' It is what makes LiveUSB so attractive. But it is an imperfect solution.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yes, so far.
* andresambrois is now known as aa
:'''<dirakx1>''' so we need to put work into that ;).
:'''<walter>''' Greg and the Fedora team is making some progress and I think Morgan is back on the case with Ubuntu...
:'''<dirakx1>''' cool.
:'''<dirakx1>''' so..a conclusion of the meeting could be that we have to wait and keep on trying for a better feedback?.
:'''<walter>''' While we are waiting, we should be gathering data regarding potential pitfalls.
:'''<dirakx1>''' yeah..
:'''<dirakx1>''' one pitfall is that lack of understanding of communication tools..
:'''<dirakx1>''' for example IRC and wikis.
:'''<dirakx1>''' so we can start from that.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'll put some notes on the small deployment page related to that
:'''<walter>''' OK.
:'''<walter>''' Anything else for today?
:'''<walter>''' You had some comments?
:'''<dirakx1>''' and i'll keep on pinging about feedback...and some more deeply involved besides OLPC-sur
:'''<dirakx1>''' one positive thing is that we are seeing more involvement on the OLPC-sur mailist related to teachers..so that's good.
:'''<walter>''' Yes. OLPC-Sur has been a great resource.
:'''<dirakx1>''' we will see...i think we need more time to socialize ideas and communication.
:'''<dirakx1>''' but a key subject is that the educators need to use some other resources to share their ideas.
:'''<dirakx1>''' more conferences like openmind are needed!
:'''<dirakx1>''' that's all :).
:'''<walter>''' OK. I did hear back from Adam and he can help us get started. Also, I just got my flight switched to the 20th.
:'''<walter>''' I mean the 19th.
:'''<dirakx1>''' i'll book my flight to 19th also, then.
:'''<walter>''' I'll let Hernan know and be back in touch about the Lima details.
:'''<dirakx1>''' walter: great thanks.
:'''<walter>''' OK. Talk to you all later.
:'''<dirakx1>''' bye all.