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# Gets stuck at Fedora Login | # Gets stuck at Fedora Login | ||
## With liveuser prefilled <br>I was able to repeatably create this failure when I was testing a version of schoolserver.py that had a typo in it. | ## With liveuser prefilled <br>I was able to repeatably create this failure when I was testing a version of schoolserver.py that had a typo in it. | ||
− | ## With nothing prefilled <br> Restarting may precipitate this type of failure. | + | ## With nothing prefilled <br> Restarting may precipitate this type of failure. |
# Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell. <br> Stick abuse, like putting it through the washing machine, seems to precipitate this type of failure. | # Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell. <br> Stick abuse, like putting it through the washing machine, seems to precipitate this type of failure. | ||
− | # Freezes during use of an activity. Rebooting doesn't help it still freezes on the same activity | + | # Freezes during use of an activity. Rebooting on the same computer doesn't help it still freezes on the same activity. One time we rebooted on a different computer and it worked. |
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====We need a more robust files system==== | ====We need a more robust files system==== | ||
− | Fedora uses | + | Gary's Random Theory - I'm no expert in the live image process but here's my current random theory for the login screen case anyway (to be proven wrong so we can move on please :-) A live image has a kind of overlay file where the actual users changes are being written, if a kid unplugs too early, or hits some other media write issue, that overlay could be corrupted. Likely loosing all user changes to the original base image (and some), the stick would still boot, but bail out when it hits the corrupt overlay. Dropping the user at a login prompt (but with nothing to login to as that part is corrupt). End of random theory. |
− | OpenSuse uses a different file structure. | + | |
+ | Fedora uses some magical file structure for their live USBs. Right now no one seems to understand it or be able to find documentation for it. Right now we have no idea why it was choosen. It seems unlikely that it was optimized for size not robustness. Its not the only way to do it. | ||
+ | OpenSuse uses a different file structure that lets you browse the files. | ||
Here is an idea for an alternative USB Format: [[http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/USB_format]] | Here is an idea for an alternative USB Format: [[http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/USB_format]] | ||
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http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device [[http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device]] | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device [[http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device]] | ||
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+ | There was a detailed discussion thread back in February at: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-February/022987.html | ||
If we understood how to win and we had our own stick creation activity perhaps we would have less failures. | If we understood how to win and we had our own stick creation activity perhaps we would have less failures. |
Revision as of 14:40, 29 July 2009
Sugar on a Stick Improve Deployability
Make it easier for a teacher or school to customize a spin and then copy it for a hundred kids
Tickets on this topic:
Red Hat - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448030 - RFE: create a bootable Live USB stick from the running livecd SugarLabs Ticket 74 - http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/74
Use Case A teacher should be able to create a USB stick, add activities, add some content, change the language, change the jabber server etc. Then create new sticks that reflect these changes but do not copy the name, color or collaboration key.
It would be great if the teacher could use an inexpensive USB hub to burn more then one stick at a time.
Sticks are dieing a lot - Make sticks more robust
Failure Modes
- Gets stuck at Fedora Login
- With liveuser prefilled
I was able to repeatably create this failure when I was testing a version of schoolserver.py that had a typo in it. - With nothing prefilled
Restarting may precipitate this type of failure.
- With liveuser prefilled
- Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell.
Stick abuse, like putting it through the washing machine, seems to precipitate this type of failure. - Freezes during use of an activity. Rebooting on the same computer doesn't help it still freezes on the same activity. One time we rebooted on a different computer and it worked.
We don't know the root cause but we have plenty of theories.
We need a more robust files system
Gary's Random Theory - I'm no expert in the live image process but here's my current random theory for the login screen case anyway (to be proven wrong so we can move on please :-) A live image has a kind of overlay file where the actual users changes are being written, if a kid unplugs too early, or hits some other media write issue, that overlay could be corrupted. Likely loosing all user changes to the original base image (and some), the stick would still boot, but bail out when it hits the corrupt overlay. Dropping the user at a login prompt (but with nothing to login to as that part is corrupt). End of random theory.
Fedora uses some magical file structure for their live USBs. Right now no one seems to understand it or be able to find documentation for it. Right now we have no idea why it was choosen. It seems unlikely that it was optimized for size not robustness. Its not the only way to do it. OpenSuse uses a different file structure that lets you browse the files.
Here is an idea for an alternative USB Format: [[1]]
Also see Ticket 907 [[2]]
A 2 GB USB is about $.60 more then a 1GB stick. If we need to compress less to get robustness its ok for us to require a 2GB USB.
Sticks are damaged during formatting or burning
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device [[3]]
There was a detailed discussion thread back in February at: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-February/022987.html
If we understood how to win and we had our own stick creation activity perhaps we would have less failures.
Sticks are of poor quality
Here is an explanation of two processes used to create USB sticks: http://www.solutiongrove.com/blogger/2008/09/08/there-are-two-type-of-usb-flash-memory-slc-and-mlc [[4]]
Sticks are being improperly removed
Yes they are, but its not at all clear to me that that correlates with the sticks that are failing.
There is a bug around restarting
It is very common to fail after a restart, the system forgets its supposed to go to Sugar. See ticket 1069 [[5]]
Backup and recovery
Ham and Dave from Solution Grove are making progress on this. You can track progress on ticket 916 [[6]]
What is a reasonable expectation for the role of the XS in Sugar on a Stick deployments in the next 6 months?
Collaboration is unreliable and thus frustrating
Its working fairly well in the wired network at the GPA lab, but no other use case seem to work reliably.
Using a CD helper takes a lot of prep time before and after class
A floppy helper would reduce it. A VM solution might also reduce it.
Tickets
* Ticket 598 Boot Helper Virtual Machine [[7]] * Ticket 907 change the format we use for the USB stick [[8]] * Ticket 597 Floppy Boot Helper [[9]]
See also Sugar on a Stick/Goals.
This is an the general todo list for SoaS. If you've any ideas or requests, please add them here.
Task Name | Priority | Status/Notes |
solicit USB key donations from companies | 1 | info needed |
allow direct recreation of USB keys (cloning) | 2 | needs testing [10] |
add additional activities, if requested | 3 | get them on a.sl.o |
work on a keyboard layout control panel | 3 | work in progress [11] |
be able to backup and restore from a School Server | 3 | to be worked out |
support printers, scanners, cameras | 3 | to be worked out |
activity for cloning USB Sticks and .iso files (cloning) | 3 | to be worked out [12] |
Here's a list with completed tasks; feel free to move them from the table above.
Task Name | Status/Notes |
get SoaS included in liveusb-creator | done |
create a virtual appliance (builds) | done [13] [14] |
release a helper CD for boot from USB | done [15] |
add sample content | done - add more if needed |
fix blockers for release | most important point, check rawhide, as it progresses towards beta |
update remaining RPMs | good progress done so far |
check localization support | done |
get artwork and branding together | done |
change default Browse location | done |