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Trimmed Log from Infrastructure Team meeting 2011 February 15
21:59 dogi #topic wanted services 21:59 #info * new lists replacement 21:59 #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/ 21:59 #info possible replacement 21:59 #link http://groupserver.org/groupserver/features/ 21:59 the other thing _bernie wanted ... 21:59 +s 21:59 #info * better planet 21:59 #link http://planet.sugarlabs.org 21:59 #info * better schooltool demo 21:59 #link http://schooltool.sugarlabs.org:?port? 21:59 #info * question/answer service 21:59 #info what is a question/answer service? 21:59 #link http://askubuntu.com/ 22:00 #info an AGPL/ruby solution: 22:00 #link http://shapado.com/ 22:00 we can offer VMs for 22:00 silbe dogi: I thought groupserver is an enhancement rather than a replacement? 22:01 dogi silbe, ups 22:01 yes 22:01 silbe We should be very careful about replacing the list software. The mailing lists are very high priority, potentially even more important than the wiki. 22:01 dogi +1 22:02 but we can always test that in a VM before 22:02 VM = sandbox 22:02 #info * new features in aslo? 22:02 #link http://idea.sugarlabs.org/drupal5/ 22:03 silbe we can't really. The "interesting" part is the software at the subscribers end. 22:03 dogi FGrose, ? 22:03 you added this? 22:03 FGrose Is idea.sl.o a possible ?!server? 22:04 dogi ? 22:04 idea is search a maintainer 22:04 ups searching 22:05 FGrose by configuring ideas to questions, etc. 22:05 dogi ohhh 22:06 now i get you 22:06 yes it is? and we have 160 users 22:07 FGrose If we find a maintainer, it might serve as sandbox for evaluation. 22:07 dogi wanted to move this userbase from ideatorrent to shapado 22:08 dirakx I like shapado more ;) 22:08 dogi which is more general 22:08 FGrose deferring to your judgment for infrastructure... 22:08 dogi :) 22:09 FGrose There's just a lot of teachers who are familiar with drupal 22:09 dogi FGrose, yes 22:10 FGrose But shapado looks suitable too. 22:11 dogi we will speak more about this when we have a volunteer willing to set this up 22:12 FGrose Will pass this by Marketing for ideas.. {...} 22:19 #topic www.sl.o redesign 22:19 #info Marketing Team log: 22:19 #link http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-02-15T15:05:53 22:20 FGrose Sugar Labs marketing has stalled for a number of reasons. High among them is the difficulty of providing an easy Sugar demonstration for newcomers. The Marketing Team is wondering if the Infrastructure Team can help by providing something like Dogi's sugarbush to provide an experience of a working Sugar to the public. 22:24 dogi hmm 22:24 #info sugarbush demo 22:24 silbe FGrose: the way dogi did it (using VNC) is the only way that doesn't require major changes to Sugar in order to work (assuming you're talking about "running" it from a web browser). 22:25 dogi #link http://one.treehouse.su/gar.html?host=one.treehouse.su&port=80 22:26 dogi FGrose, it is not so easy to get from a working prototype to a reliable demo for our endusers 22:26 silbe FGrose: sugarbush is nice for a short demo, but a) latency makes it a PITA when used across a "long distance" link (e.g. across a continent). I'm also worried about the load that more than a handful of users would cause. 22:26 (the last sentence should have been b) ) 22:26 FGrose silbe: yes, but can it support the traffic or are there ways to limit traffic or provide some mirrors??? 22:27 silbe FGrose: it runs Sugar on the server and copies the image to the browser pixel-by-pixel 22:27 FGrose: so every "mirror" would need to be a server running Sugar 22:28 dogi FGrose, the only thing we could offer right new is this link to selected users 22:28 silbe, +1 22:28 silbe FGrose: I would expect CPU and memory to be exhausted before we hit traffic limits 22:29 dogi but right now the only running example is located in North America 22:29 what about other locations 22:29 FGrose OK, I follow. So it would take a lot of resources, could Amazon cloud serve it? 22:29 dogi FGrose, +1 22:30 and vmware.com 22:30 is working on his vmware contacts 22:31 silbe FGrose: It could, but I wouldn't even want to think about the costs. 22:32 dogi silbe, maybe the are willing to donate some services 22:32 FGrose Good opportunity for corporate donation. 22:33 dogi FGrose, amazon cloud, rackspace and vmware are possible candidates 22:33 silbe dogi: There already was talk about using Amazon hosting for some other stuff in the past. AFAIK Amazon wasn't interested in sponsoring. 22:33 something related to Fedora... maybe mchua recalls the details 22:34 dogi silbe, oh good pint 22:34 point 22:34 we can ask on the Fedora Cloud list 22:35 #action dogi FGrose : ask on the Fedora Cloud list for VMs 22:35 silbe feel free to go ahead. :) 22:35 FGrose So a technical strain, but something that might be considered. 22:35 silbe but remember that there are a lot of open source projects, all of them doing something cool, and most of them wanting free hosting. 22:35 dogi FGrose, enough about the web demo 22:35 back to the actual www 22:36 #link http://www.sugarlabs.org 22:36 is there a git repository of this page available 22:37 silbe FGrose: FWIW, I'd love to see us put up such a demo server. But we should be aware that it doesn't require a Slashdot article to take down the server by friendly DDoS. 22:37 dogi silbe, invitation only ... 22:37 FGrose JT4sugar is considering coordinating a design firm who have offered Sean pro bono services, some college students, + a teacher review panel 22:38 dogi FGrose, right now such a service would need a around the clock protection/monitoring crew 22:39 FGrose Right, I'm following your cautions. 22:39 silbe dogi: we could put it on an ex-WMF server. Then it wouldn't matter if it went down, so no 24/7 monitoring required. 22:40 dogi FGrose, right now I can setup 5 demos on dextra.media.mit.edu 22:41 is working on the debian squeeze 22:41 FGrose OK, more planning needed. Thanks for considering! 22:41 dogi version 22:43 FGrose, bingo 22:43 FGrose, who is the actual maintainer of the www 22:44 #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/000_other 22:44 FGrose Sean will provide meeting notes from today's Marketing meeting. There will be other infrastructure requests such as ?!server 22:44 maybe unmaintained... 22:44 dogi ok 22:44 #action dogi set up git for www 22:45 new page should be i18n able 22:45 FGrose #link This has some other thoughts, for reference, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Website 22:45 silbe dogi: FWIW, you could use a simple web frontend for registration (using OpenID, e.g. https://ssl-test.sugarlabs.org/) and run each VNC instance as a separate unix user. 22:46 dogi silbe, yes - but right now not possible 22:47 every other then :0 is gnome 22:47 FGrose Timeline is 3 to 6 months I presume. 22:47 dogi not sugardesktop 22:47 ups display :0 22:48 FGrose, that sounds realistic 22:48 FGrose dogi: I had more luck with display :# in Fedora than Ubuntu in December with Sugar 22:49 dogi the demo is in ubuntu cause I was not able to install soas on a kvm ... 22:50 but debian is already next to finished 22:50 FGrose dogi: that is display :0 (but I was just playing and didn't do much more) 22:50 dogi and then I will do Fedora 14