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Requirement GNOME?

Comparison of these two reports

Testing/Reports/Sweets on Debian Wheezy and Testing/Reports/Sweets on GNOME Debian Wheezy

would suggest improvements can be made to wording in Debian section of Platform Team/Guide/Sugar via Sweets#Supported distributions --Inkyfingers 06:57, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

Installing sweets-sugar from Fedora 16 GNOME 3 Terminal

12/03/2011 satellit
  • Log of what I found
With much help from alsroot

Installation

  • Zero Install (thus, Sweets') workflow requires having Internet connection
Once the system is built; it is cached locally so it will start without rebuilding
Default is sugar 0.88.1
35px-Activity-write.png
from alsroot:
If you run several different Sugar versions via sweets, you will use the same profile; so, it might be a problem, e.g., the Journal version in Sugar 0.84 is different from Sugar 0.94; but for Sugar 0.88-0.94, it should be mostly ok.

sugar 0.88

Default is sugar 0.88.1
  • GNOME Terminal
sudo yum install gnome-packagekit
wget http://download.sugarlabs.org/sweets/sweets/installer.sh 
sh installer.sh
  • Restart (to reset dbus)
  • Install GPG Key (as PK does not install it.)
Installing in XFCE Beta TC1 x86-64 install is this next section still needed? --Satellit 18:05, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
I did it and no GPG Key was requested
yum install pygobject2-devel
packages will be installed... 1 + 3 dependencies  asks for gpg key and I said Y
Importing GPG key 0xA82BA4B7
  • Install and build
sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator
$ sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator                   
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-base for building
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-toolkit for building
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-presence-service for building
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-datastore for building        
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-artwork for building   
-- Solve sdk/etoys for building              
-- Solve sdk/pyxpcom for building  
-- Solve sdk/hulahop for building  
-- Solve sdk/python-xklavier for building
-- Solve dextrose/sugar for building      
 -- Install pygobject2-devel libX11-devel libxkbfile-devel libXv-devel libXinerama-devel gtk2-devel libXt-devel libXres-devel 
xorg-x11-apps python-lxml squeak-vm libfontenc-devel libXmu-devel gcc intltool xapian-bindings-python python-cjson libxklavier-devel 
libXrender-devel python-devel libXext-devel libFS libXxf86dga-devel subversion libXtst-devel pygame libXScrnSaver-devel libXxf86vm-devel 
pygtksourceview cairo-devel libXfont-devel gcc-c++ libXScrnSaver alsa-lib-devel pyabiword pygtk2-devel libSM-devel libXau-devel libFS-devel
gnome-common libXvMC-devel libXp libtool libXdamage-devel libXrandr-devel python-dateutil xorg-x11-xtrans-devel python-elements libXi-devel libXft-devel
gnome-python2-rsvg csound-python libXpm-devel libXdmcp-devel icon-naming-utils icon-slicer libdmx-devel xorg-x11-proto-devel 
GConf2-devel libXcomposite-devel hippo-canvas-python libXcursor-devel libXfixes-devel libICE-devel libXp-devel libdrm-devel
  • error:--Satellit 18:05, 12 March 2012 (EDT) XFCE f17
--Cannot solve dextrose /home/(user)/.cache/0install.net/implementations/ ....for building: Cannot find required implementations for http://sweets.sugarlabs.org/base/pygtk
  • Sugar starts in Xephyr
at color screen
need to <== to rename it then ==> twice
no activities on f3
about my computer says Fedora release 16 (Verne) 0.88.1
  • Exit
  • Terminal
sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator -f
  • Hover over XO icon click on My Settings in drop down
select "frame"
  • Move bottom slider "edge" fully Left
restart
  • Terminal
sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator -f
  • Click on sugar journal icon in f3 screen
  • Drag drop surf-115.xo from 2nd USB
http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/Surf-115.xo
Download to a USB and insert the USB in running sweets-sugar
  • click on surf in f3
  • Activities (upper right screen)
Load the activities you want from ASLO (or from the 2nd USB by drag drop) irc;chat;...etc

Have fun

sugar 0.94.1 (Unstable)

  • Terminal:
sweets dextrose/sugar:emulator = 0.94
Software update in 0.94 offers 39 updates (installs new activities)
this seems a nice workaround for lack of activities in sweets-sugar

Activities that do not start

Turtle art 105
Read 87
Browse 116
Colors 15
Ruler 7
Maze 9 (Hangs)
Poll 27
Get Books 5
Tetris Mat 1
surf-115.xo does not start here : (
Firefox-6.xo does start
Download to 2nd USB:http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/firefox-6.xo
Browses web well; Firefox is not fully sugarized so it does not save to sugar-journal.

Notes on how to start 0.88 or 0.94

  • commands to start sweets-sugar in terminal:
Full Screen
sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator -f
0.88
sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator = 0.94 -f
0.94
  • after installing the activities in software update in 0.94 they remain in sugar 0.88 and work.


Installing Sugar via sweets - in Mint-12

17/12/2011 by inkyfingers

Host environment: Mint-12 installed three days prior to start from:linuxmint-12-gnome-cd-nocodecs-32bit.

Testing Mint-12 over three days, it is fairly sound, but some freezing when using Firefox 8. I wait 10 seconds for unfreeze, no crashes.

My machine: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_98841a4d-b674-4a44-804b-d7cee2872a09

Installation

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sudo apt-get install gnome-packagekit

installs, no error reported, suggested packages: packagekit-backend-apt packagekit-backend-smart 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sudo apt-get install  packagekit-backend-apt packagekit-backend-smart

installs, no error reported, suggested packages: python-rpm 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sudo apt-get install python-rpm
  • Restart
iain@Mint2 ~ $ wget http://download.sugarlabs.org/sweets/sweets/installer.sh

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sh installer.sh
Sweets self extracting installer
-- Scan ftp://download.sugarlabs.org/sweets/sweets for updates
-- Downloading update from http://download.sugarlabs.org/sweets/sweets/sweets-1.0.5.tar.gz
-- sweets launcher was installed to /home/iain/.local/bin                                  
-- sweets-index service was installed to /home/iain/.local/share/dbus-1/services
... sweets: command not found ... so, requires a restart.
  • Restart
iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets upgrade
-- Scan ftp://download.sugarlabs.org/sweets/sweets for updates
-- No need in upgrading     

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets dextrose/sugar:emulator
... top of output not copied
-- Cannot solve /home/iain/.cache/0install.net/implementations/sha1new=3609c88732be7be0144e77220861a08733dfd1d3 for building: Cannot find requireed implementations for http://sweets.sugarlabs.org/base/x11-libs
iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator -f
-- Cannot solve /home/iain/.cache/0install.net/implementations/sha1new=3609c88732be7be0144e77220861a08733dfd1d3 for building: Cannot find requireed implementations for http://sweets.sugarlabs.org/base/x11-libs

Now there is a three day gap - I learn that the sweet "base/x11-libs" had a bug found in Mint.

Now use -R option to refresh. 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets -R sdk/sugar:emulator
... top of output was not copied
-- Install python-gtk2-dev python-xklavier libxt-dev xsltproc libdbus-1-dev telepathy-salut python-gobject-dev libxres-dev libxfixes-dev libdrm-dev python-dev libxcomposite-dev libxss-dev libfontenc-dev intltool libdmx-dev libice-dev python-cjson python-decorator libxdamage-dev libX11-dev libcairo2-dev libxpm-dev libxfont-dev libxxf86vm-dev libasound2-dev python-rsvg libxext-dev gnome-common python-telepathy xserver-xephyr libdmx1 libxft-dev libxxf86dga-dev libfs-dev libtool libtelepathy-glib-dev libxi-dev libxv-dev python-hippocanvas libxmu-dev libgtk2.0-dev libdbus-glib-1-dev libgconf2-dev libxp-dev icon-slicer icon-naming-utils libxinerama-dev libxtst-dev libxkbfile-dev libxrender-dev libxvmc-dev libxcursor-dev libxrandr-dev python-gtksourceview2 libsm-dev telepathy-gabble libglib2.0-dev
-- Build sdk/sugar-artwork (0.94.0)                                             
-- Build sdk/sugar-base (0.94.0)      
-- Build sdk/sugar-toolkit (0.94.0)   
-- Build sdk/sugar-datastore (0.94.0) 
-- Build sdk/telepathy-mission-control (5.7.1)
-- Build sdk/sugar (0.94.1)                    
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module"
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, removing from list!
ls: cannot access /usr/lib*/xulrunner-1.*: No such file or directory
However this produces Sugar in a window.

Testing Sugar in a window

The product of this command under Mint-12 in GUI xterm: sweets -R sdk/sugar:emulator

Title bar reads: Sugar in a window

Build: Linux Mint 12 Lisa
Sugar: 0.94.1
Firmware: 6.00 PG

Very first screen: icon colour change.

Home view: Favourites view and list view appear, are empty

F1 names of neighbours 'show on hover'

From configuration screen

About me, offers to colour change fine. Has correctly taken my name from Host.
Frame adjust seems to work - asks for restart as expected. I respond - Later.
Keyboard sttings changed and tested ok
Hit software Updates ckecking for updates. Updating appears - no obvious activity in 7 seconds. Hit cancel.
No updating seems to start.
Date & time: Able to select TZ, asks for restart, I respond: Later.

Function keys F1 to F6 all work - Journal appears.

USB device, (which was inserted pre-start) is visible,

Relationship between Host environment - typing this - and Sugar in a window is absoutely predictable, ok.

  • In Host environment,the original xterm window: last 3 lines are now:
   ls: cannot access /usr/lib*/xulrunner-1.*: No such file or directory
   Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc003bd specified for 0
   Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc02eda specified for 0

Use Firefox on Host environment to download to USB flashdrive.

Download: http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/Surf-115.xo. Save to USB flashdrive.

Download from Aslo: Browse-129.xo and Terminal-35.xo. Save to USB flashdrive,

  • In Sugar in a window:

Start Software update: checking for updates ... no activity, 5 mins.

Drag and drop Browse-129.xo and Terminal-35.xo and Surf-115.xo from flashdrive to Journal.

Activities appear in F3 Home view, List,

Click Browse, flashing icon ... reports, fails to start.

Click Surf, flashing icon ... reports 'Surf failed to start.'

Click Terminal, flashing icon and starts. 

uname -a - ok
  • Download using Host environment: moon-13.xo and irc-10.xo. Save to USB flashdrive.
  • In Sugar in a window:

Drag and drop from flashdrive to Journal, moon-13.xo and irc-10.xo

Click Moon, flashing icon and starts ok.

Click IRC, flashing icon and starts ok. tx out appears to work.

Close the host environment terminal.

End of test.
NOTE the above was carried out without the benefit of -S switch.

Testing Xephyr

Immediately follows the above.

The product of this command under Mint-12 in GUI xterm: sweets dextrose/sugar:emulator

Title bar reads: Xephyr on :30.0

Build: Linux Mint 12 Lisa
Sugar: 0.88.1

PS Note this test is without benefit of -S switch.

F1 to F6 work - pre-existing journal is intact.

Terminal starts - simple commands work.

About my computer: Sugar 0.88.1

Keyboard settings survived.

Pre-existing downloaded Activites are in Home View.

Click irc, flashing icon, starts. Test tx in and out ok.

Click Surf-115.xo, flashing icon, starts, is online.

Write appears in journal. Right click, resume, - flashing icon, but reports fails to start.

Using Surf, download Sugar file manager.

Successful and Sugar File manager starts and works.

Attempt to download Write again.

Write icon in Home View, Click Write,- flashing icon - reports, 'fail to start'

Back to Host environment

xterm output is as follows. ie this is the last few lines of the traceback which launched the test in progress. 

-- Solve dextrose/sugar-base for building
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-toolkit for building
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-presence-service for building
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-datastore for building        
-- Solve dextrose/sugar-artwork for building   
-- Solve dextrose/sugar for building         
-- Build dextrose/sugar-base (0.88.0)
-- Build dextrose/sugar-toolkit (0.88.1)
-- Build dextrose/sugar-presence-service (0.88.0)
-- Build dextrose/sugar-datastore (0.88.0)        
-- Build dextrose/sugar-artwork (0.88.1)   
- Build dextrose/sugar (0.88.1)         
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module"
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, removing from list!
/home/iain/.cache/0install.net/implementations/sha1new=c19654b00070887627e457daaaaaafbdeafb380a/.sweets/local/bin/sugar: 60: [[: not found
/home/iain/.cache/0install.net/implementations/sha1new=c19654b00070887627e457daaaaaafbdeafb380a/.sweets/local/bin/sugar: 113: [[: not found
ls: cannot access /usr/lib*/xulrunner-1.*: No such file or directory
E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc01955 specified for 0xc01988 (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc0347a specified for 0xc034a8 (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: last_focus_time (48387255) is greater than comparison timestamp (48387251).  This most likely represents a buggy client sending inaccurate timestamps in messages such as _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW.  Trying to work around...

Extended test: Two sweets running at once!

Note this is not good practice, its a bit like riding a bike with no hands, showing off and might result in breakage.

With Xephyr on :30.0 running on desktop 4.

In host environment open new xterm 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets sdk/sugar:emulator
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module"
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, removing from list!
ls: cannot access /usr/lib*/xulrunner-1.*: No such file or directory
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc00223 specified for 0xc00260 (sugar-sess).

Both sweets are running, both on desktop 4.

Close both Sweets, by using close icon in top right corner.

  • Back at Host environment

xterm output, ref: sdk/sugar 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets sdk/sugar:emulator
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module"
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, removing from list!
ls: cannot access /usr/lib*/xulrunner-1.*: No such file or directory
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc00223 specified for 0xc00260 (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc00223 specified for 0xc02b34 (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc00223 specified for 0xc02c62 (sugar-sess).
XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
     after 23718 requests (23718 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on display ':31'.
iain@Mint2 ~ $

xterm output, ref: dextrose/sugar 

/... copy last lines only:
/home/iain/.cache/0install.net/implementations/sha1new=c19654b00070887627e457daaaaaafbdeafb380a/.sweets/local/bin/sugar: 113: [[: not found
ls: cannot access /usr/lib*/xulrunner-1.*: No such file or directory
E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc01955 specified for 0xc01988 (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc0347a specified for 0xc034a8 (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: last_focus_time (48387255) is greater than comparison timestamp (48387251).  This most likely represents a buggy client sending inaccurate timestamps in messages such as _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW.  Trying to work around...
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc01955 specified for 0xc0f645 (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc08267 specified for 0xc1202e (sugar-sess).
XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
     after 176360 requests (176360 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
(metacity:28952): GConf-WARNING **: Got Disconnected from DBus.
Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on display ':30'.
iain@Mint2 ~ $

Check out the -S option

Start xephyr session with 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator

asks for root password. Downloading.

after 4 minutes Xephyr on :30.0 apears.

Click on Surf, flashing icon and starts.

Click on Physics, flashing icon and starts.

Click on Chat, flashing icon and starts. Share a Chat session, F1 - Chat bubble icon is visible in my colours.

Check contents of Frame. System resources and USB device seen and appear working.

See repair Journal feature. Close all activities, Opporunity to rename activities not given by default.

Click on repair journal. Reports, "Journal has been reindexed", and Sugar session is terminated without further warning.

Restart with: 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets -S dextrose/sugar:emulator

Click on Sugar File Manager. Works as expected.

In host environment there is now an icon representing a drive or partition labeled Journal. This will open with Nautilus, Write documents are seen and can be printed.

Start Sugar in a window session with 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets -S sdk/sugar:emulator

Click on Write, flashing icon and starts.

Able to write, save, rename Activity title

Click on Surf, flashing icon and reports fail to start.

Click on Terminal, flashing icon and starts.

All seems to work, but no Surf,

From Home View, List,

Click Browse-129.xo. Flashing icon and starts, is online, three sites visited and logon ok.

Using Activity Browse, download Reflection 3 from ASLO - Demonstrate Reflection, name, title, description and tag ok.

Using browse, download Chat-73.xo, saves to Journal.

Click on Chat, flashing icon and starts.

Click neighbourhood icon to share.

F1, neighbourhood view no chat ballon to indicate shared Chat Activity.

Change name in My Setting. Click for restart, Sugar in a window session closes.

Host environment remains.

This is the trace from the above session: 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets -S sdk/sugar:emulator
-- Download http://download.sugarlabs.org/sweets/sdk/sugar-presence-service/sugar-presence-service-0.88.1-r10-src.tar.gz
-- Solve sdk/sugar-presence-service for building                                
-- Build sdk/sugar-presence-service (0.88.1)     
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module"
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, removing from list!
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, removing from list!
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc02cc9 specified for 0xc02d2e (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0xc06b70 specified for 0xc06ba3 (sugar-sess).
Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on display ':30'.
iain@Mint2 ~ $

Start Sugar in a window session with 

iain@Mint2 ~ $ sweets -S sdk/sugar:emulator

Name change has been applied.

Resume Chat, I see on line message and countdown, but no chat balloon in F1.

Later, download Chat-73.xo again. No change.

Resume Chat, I see on line message and countdown, but no chat balloon in F1.

Surf, flashing icon, reports fails to start.

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