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Please work to update Supported systems turning it into an index to the Community/Distributions subpages, which should each be moved to a top level page. --FGrose 00:02, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

Would this work? Supported distributions --Inkyfingers 19:14, 27 June 2012 (EDT)
I'd rather stick with the titled concept, the shorter subset of supported systems/distributions, as opposed to a long list of unsupported ones. (A link to the DistroWatch list could be included for those curious about the scope of distributions and as part of a definition of what a distribution is.) --FGrose 19:38, 27 June 2012 (EDT)
Sure, it would be edited down to the correct number of distros (as an index, easily enlargeable), but is this what you mean by "top level page"? --Inkyfingers 19:45, 27 June 2012 (EDT)
Yes, for example, Community/Distributions/Ubuntu would be moved (using the wiki move page link) to Ubuntu, replacing the redirect that is there now. --FGrose 19:53, 27 June 2012 (EDT)
How do you feel about a "clean page start", a pure index of Supported distributions? --Inkyfingers 20:04, 27 June 2012 (EDT)
That sounds reasonable. Supported distributions can be an annotated index, useful for transclusion to other pages such as Downloads#Do you use GNU/Linux? and Sugar Creation Kit#Community Distributions A Complete Listing; Ways to run Sugar could hold the introductory sections; Updating Sugar could hold general guidance on that process. They can stand independently, or be composed by transclusion into Supported systems or Systems that run Sugar. All these pages should be targeted primarily for non-developers, but with guidance that serves as a primer for curious and developing minds. --FGrose 20:57, 27 June 2012 (EDT)
I have edited (working title) Supported distributions --Inkyfingers 04:20, 28 June 2012 (EDT)

The downside of distributions pages being top level pages is that they (and their child pages) cannot then be collected together automatically. I have added the Community/Distributions SubPage index to Supported systems, to demonstrate a different approach. If the distro-specific material currently in Supported systems could all be updated into correct distro page, would the resulting Supported systems page be useful? --Inkyfingers 22:29, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

Yes, temporarily; but please design Supported distributions to be transcluded in place of the sections mentioned above. Each supported distribution page can also be categorized as such and then collected in a Category page. The Special:PrefixIndex page is useful as an interim list, but suffers because it cannot be formatted, annotated, logo-ized, or reordered, such as by completeness and currency of Sugar support, like the proposed replacement. --FGrose 22:49, 29 June 2012 (EDT)
I have edited (working title) Supported distributions --Inkyfingers 06:32, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

Would this work? Supported distributions --Inkyfingers 19:14, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

Updated Menu Item?

Can you update Getting Sugar to read Getting & Updating Sugar ?

Supported hardware

Sugar for various hardware systems lists generic systems, but I'm more interested in a laptop or motherboard that has the marvel chipset, and can do the 802.11s mesh networking so I can see other XOs out there but also browse the network.

It's a pain to keep switching betweeh 802.11b/g and 802.11s. Are there any out there?

Tested?

What do these tables represent? Distros on which Sugar is bundled? Distros on which Sugar *can* run, with the necessary dependencies? --Morgs 08:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The former, at least in the case of Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora. But maybe we need to add another column to the table. --Walter 11:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I think at this time the table should only contain Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora. The other distributions/OS are not supported in any way. -- Marcopg
We better try to define supported. --Walter 02:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I think at very minimum supported should involve availability of binary packages. Only Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora meet that requirement. -- Marcopg
I've reorganized the table to try to reflect this distinction. --Walter 11:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Updating Sugar to the Latest Version

What is the recommended process for updating non-OLPC systems, such as Sugar on Ubuntu? Presumably, Development Team/Jhbuild?

Right now, jhbuild is the only option although perhaps it would be easier to take the source tarballs released by the Sugar team and install them without requiring packaging. For Ubuntu, I would like to see a PPA available that gets updated with development releases of Sucrose, but I haven't yet had time to look into that myself. --Morgs 09:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I've not managed to coerce Ubuntu into letting me run the jhbuild version of Sugar rather than the one I installed with apt-get through xsessions. (No problem running it from the cmdline.) Any tips? --Walter 00:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, unfortunately not - but here are fresh Ubuntu packages for the latest Sucrose release, courtesy of James Munro: http://learninglab.lincoln.ac.uk/blogs/jmunro/2008/07/18/day-15-sugar-packages-done/ --Morgs 09:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Got it to work (See Development Team/Jhbuild#Creating_an_xsession_for_Sugar-jhbuild) --Walter 23:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

LiveCD

We have a number of LiveCD and LiveUSB efforts underway, although none of them are of production quality yet. The goal of these efforts is to make it easy for teachers to try Sugar in situations where the school computers are locked down or cannot be reimaged. Another use case is for children to use Sugar at school and at home using a LiveUSB in cases where 1-to-1 solutions are not available.

Caroline Meeks and I went to a computer lab at a Boston Public School to see what constraints we might encounter. They had a room full of Compaq Pentium 4 "EVO" desktops with 256M of DRAM. We tried a variety of LiveCDs (with and without Sugar).

Distribution Sugar Result
Fedora 9 0.82 Never completed launching desktop
Ubuntu 8.4 - Never completed launching desktop
Ubuntu 8,4 654 Boot failed due to insufficient memory for RAM disk--required 384K
PuppyLinux - Booted quickly and ran well
Slackware - Booted but died OOM after running a few applications

Other issues included the setting and saving of parameters, e.g., TinyLinux saves network settings, which would not work well when switching from school to home.

It also may make sense to put a swap partition on the USB to help with some of the issues regarding OOM. (Yes, it will wear out, but not so quickly as one would think (Mitch Bradley had some interesting analyses of this which I will try to dig up.) But the bottom line is we need to keep the footprint small. --Walter 22:59, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Alix.1C (AMD Geode LX800)

Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to shell. Good luck!
bash: no job control in this shell
bash-3.2#

That is the output of both Sugar-spin Live CDs i tried on my AMD Geode LX800. The first was from early November 2008 running on Fedora 9.92, the second was a brand new Fedora 10 with Sugar 0.82-2.Kozuch 14:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Strawman for new layout of Try Sugar pages

  1. New to GNU/Linux and Sugar (Try Sugar on a Stick)
    1. Windows user: Try the Fedora SoaS (builds from Windows)
    2. Mac (OSX) user: Try virtualbox
  2. Already using GNU/Linux?
    1. Find your distro from the list and follow the instructions on that distro's page
      1. Fedora
      2. Debian
      3. Ubuntu
        1. Ubuntu user: Try Ubuntu SoaS
      4. GenToo
      5. Mandriva
      6. ...
  3. Have an OLPC XO-1? Update to the latest Sugar here:
    1. olpc-update instructions
  4. Developer tools are here:
    1. jhbuild
    2. VM
    3. Linux Terminal Server
    4. adding Sugar to your favorite distro...

Not sure where to include the emulators for Windows and MacOS

This looks generally good to me. My only suggestion is that it be as simple as physically possible. When trying out software, people are programmed to look first for their current operating system (Windows / Mac / Linux), followed by a large Download button. Any longer instructions are sure to confuse and discourage. Good examples include: [1], [2], [3]. Wade 16:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I have started to pull together a 1st pass but without the artwork it will be difficult and doing it the wiki will be difficult as well... may these pages have to be static. --Walter 17:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Distributions' Collaboration sites

As this page becomes the more technical reference, we need to ask the distributions to provide links to their source repositories, bug trackers, and other online venues for collaboration. Perhaps the Starch and Sucrose tables could have columns for these links.

We hope that discussions will continue to be shared with sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org --FGrose 00:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

+1 --Walter 01:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
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